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https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1785714003307560976
Dave Jamieson @jamieson wrote: .@UAW President Shawn Fain: "This war is wrong, and this response against students and academic workers, many of them UAW members, is wrong."
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Shawn Fain @ShawnFainUAW wrote: The UAW will never support the mass arrest or intimidation of those exercising their right to protest, strike, or speak out against injustice.
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UCLA has taken down their student news site: https://dailybruin.com

I'm sure that will help.

LA Times:
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Faculty attempts to protect students from NYPD at Fordham.
Oliya Scootercaster 🛴 @ScooterCasterNY wrote: #HappeningNow Faculty for Justice for Palestine are linking arms to protect Fordham University Encampment while NYPD SRG had surrounded and is pushing into the crowd around the encampment.
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This framing from CNN hardly seems fair. Or accurate. Or credible.
https://x.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1785725450527842512
Dana Bash @DanaBashCNN wrote: Today: Destruction, violence and hate overtake college campuses across the country with Jewish students feeling unsafe at their own schools. It is unacceptable, and harkening back to the 1930s in Europe. Our @InsidePolitics show open, here.
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https://x.com/uaw_4811/status/1785679638636925399
UAW 4811 @uaw_4811 wrote: Last night, students and workers protesting peacefully at UCLA for justice in Palestine were physically attacked by a group of 100+ counter protesters. UC’s failure to protect students and workers is an abdication of its responsibility. UAW 4811 members are mobilizing in response
https://x.com/uaw_4811/status/1785775174232801533
UAW 4811 @uaw_4811 wrote: The UAW 4811 Executive Board is calling for a strike authorization vote in response to last night’s attacks at UCLA.
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NYPD drops an unbelievable propaganda film.
NYPD Deputy Commissioner, Operations Kaz Daughtry @NYPDDaughtry wrote: Let’s take an inside look at how your @NYPDnews officers safely & professionally restored order at @Columbia & @CityCollegeNY yesterday, after school officials requested our assistance in dispersing unlawful encampments on their campuses & persons barricaded inside their buildings.

It bears repeating- your police officers have a thankless job & it is important that we recognize their great work. Thank you to the Strategic Response Group (SRG), Community Response Team and all the police officers assigned to the mobile field force yesterday.

We will always protect the right to peaceful protest. Public safety is, & forever will be, our top priority.

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This is just being ugly.
https://x.com/wendyp4545/status/1785740258467864857
Wendy Patterson @wendyp4545 wrote: List of Colleges with Arab Presidents

@grok
Based on the information provided, here is a list of colleges with Arab presidents:

University of Southern California
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Fordham University
University of Pennsylvania
Columbia University
Yale University
Duke University
Rice University
Stanford University

List of American colleges with Arab Deans

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Based on the provided information, here is a list of American colleges with Arab Deans:

Texas A & M University, Kingsville
Case Western Reserve University
Arizona State University
University of Massachusetts, Amherst
University of Arizona
Saint Louis University
Michigan Technological University
Tufts University

Please note that this list is not exhaustive and there may be additional colleges with Arab deans not mentioned here.
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Well this is a bad look for the NYPD. WHAT WE DO IS SECRET. They're about to knock some heads.
katie smith @probablyreadit wrote: NOW: Staff at Fordham University hangs a tarp over the window to block the view of the encampment as NYPD prepares to make arrests

Protesters then broke through police barricades are are now closed heading to the other entrance
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Haven't seen any video yet, but apparently they are shooting rubber bullets at the UofA.
https://x.com/az_rww/status/1785787364343701793
Arizona Right Watch (@azrww.bsky.social) @az_rww wrote: Cops sent in to break up the University of AZ Gaza Solidarity Encampment shot rubber bullets at student protesters. At least one was hit in the head & injured. Rubber bullets can still kill people, especially when aimed at the head. Shame on @uarizona for endangering protesters.
Ellie Wolfe @elliew0lfe wrote: I just spoke to a protester who was hit in the head with a rubber bullet. I felt the gigantic welt on their head. Important to note: rubber bullets are supposed to be shot only towards the bottom half of the body.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 pm This is just being ugly.
https://x.com/wendyp4545/status/1785740258467864857
Wendy Patterson @wendyp4545 wrote: List of Colleges with Arab Presidents

@grok
Based on the information provided, here is a list of colleges with Arab presidents:

University of Southern California
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Fordham University
University of Pennsylvania
Columbia University
Yale University
Duke University
Rice University
Stanford University

List of American colleges with Arab Deans

@grok
Based on the provided information, here is a list of American colleges with Arab Deans:

Texas A & M University, Kingsville
Case Western Reserve University
Arizona State University
University of Massachusetts, Amherst
University of Arizona
Saint Louis University
Michigan Technological University
Tufts University

Please note that this list is not exhaustive and there may be additional colleges with Arab deans not mentioned here.
No, MIT president Sally Kornbluth is not an Arab. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kornbluth was born in Paterson, New Jersey, and grew up in Fair Lawn, New Jersey.[2] She is Jewish.[2] Her father George was an accountant[2] and her mother, Marisa Galvany, was an opera singer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kornbluth
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https://x.com/dr_tey/status/1785645513271902395
tey meadow @dr_tey wrote: I’m as guilty as anyone of thinking of my @Columbia undergraduates as “kids.” But here is what I’ve seen them do in the last two weeks: (1/10)

1. I’ve seen small groups of student engage in thoughtful, respectful dialogue across unbridgeable ideological divides. (2/10)

2. I’ve seen students face hecklers calmly and with grace, simply turning their backs as they are yelled at and insulted. (3/10)

3. I have seen students struggle to balance coursework and political engagement, cognizant of their responsibilities in both arenas. (4/10)

4. I’ve seen students taking care of one another, ordering special meals for students with dietary or religious restrictions, amassing medical supplies for neighbors who need them, sharing info and resources, and working together to problem-solve. (5/10)

I’ve seen student journalists operate both tirelessly and more effectively than the professionals- claiming partial knowledge when that’s what they have, reporting truthfully, not repeating mischaracterizations. (6/10)

I’ve seen groups of students learn skills like working with press, issuing statements, polling participants, compiling data , bargaining and using social media to disseminate information. (7/10)

I’ve seen them educate themselves on history, political theory, social movements and real world social differences. I’ve seen teach-ins on antisemitism and anti-Jewish bias, the history of the Middle East, geopolitics, political resistance, poetry, music and art. (8/10)

And now I’ve seen them face down police in military grade gear. (9/10)

Do I agree with every word in every statement, every choice and every tactic? Maybe not. But I am moved by their maturity, persistence and grace. These aren’t kids. These are leaders. (10/10)
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 pm This is just being ugly.
Wendy Patterson @wendyp4545 wrote: List of Colleges with Arab Presidents
...
And the Arab president of Columbia was one who called in a police response.

(Per bio on Columbia site, president Nemat (Minouche) Shafik was born in Alexandria, Egypt, but family fled to US, where scientist father had obtained a Ph.D., when she was four. She holds degrees from UMass-Amherst, London School of Economics, and Oxford. She became president July 1, 2023 so has served less than a year in the position.)
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The tension goes to the heart of a question that has touched off debate among observers and critics of the protests: At what point does pro-Palestinian political speech in a time of war cross the line into the type of antisemitism colleges have vowed to combat?

If this is a matter that has vexed political leaders, university administrators and some Jewish college students, inside the encampments the very notion of antisemitism is barely discussed, in part because the demonstrators do not believe the label applies to their activism. Protest leaders point to the involvement of Jewish student activists and challenge the idea that the comfort of Israel’s supporters should be a concern.

And they draw a distinction between anti-Zionism, which describes opposition to the Jewish state of Israel, and hatred toward Jewish people in general. It is an argument many Jews see as a fig leaf for bigotry.
It's all so confusing and I've express that before. I think (hope) no one is in favor of violence. This article does address, a little, about the conflation of protesting what Israel is doing (killing tens of thousands of people) and being antisemitic. There are so many moving parts, it's impossible to boil it down to a binary.

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Rolodex wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:20 pm It's all so confusing and I've express that before. I think (hope) no one is in favor of violence. This article does address, a little, about the conflation of protesting what Israel is doing (killing tens of thousands of people) and being antisemitic. There are so many moving parts, it's impossible to boil it down to a binary.

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/nyre ... =url-share
“Let’s take any other ethnic or religious minority,” said Eden Yadegar, a junior at Columbia. “Would you only accept them if they were willing to denounce an integral part of their religious or ethnic identity? The answer is absolutely not. So how come it’s OK to say, you know, we accept Jews, but only if you denounce your religious and social and ethnic connection to your homeland? It’s ridiculous.”
This is one way to look at it. Another would be that they are refusing to denounce the indiscriminate killing on innocent women and children. The destruction of every University. The destruction of the hospitals, and health care system. The fact that there ARE in fact plenty Jews that support divestment belies their position.
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FYI

The mountain, Sentinel Peak, commonally called A-Mountain was 'vandalized' a hundred years ago when the 'A' was built.

It is repainted at least once a year before football season starts. Sometimes more that once. Rival students from ASU try to paint it in ASU colors, maroon and urine, when the football game is in Tucson. So it's painted a lot.
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https://x.com/dailybruin/status/1785799963177578607
Daily Bruin @dailybruin wrote: 25 protesters within the pro-Palestine encampment were hospitalized overnight, a UC Divest at UCLA spokesperson said in a press conference.
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Boy, I bet that will help! (Tiffany Cabán is a NYC Council Member)
https://twitter.com/NYPDChiefPatrol/sta ... 9178845479
NYPD Chief of Patrol @NYPDChiefPatrol wrote: I started to read this garbage and quickly realized this is coming from a person who hates our city and certainly does not represent the great people of NYC. But I did manage to play the word replacement game, and it goes like this:

Last night’s criminal conduct by entitled non accountable students and the support they receive from Councilmember Tiffany Caban is a colossal disgrace. A horrifying affront to democracy and proper behavior from people who are not accountable for their behavior. This was an abject failure of how civilized people are expected to behave in society while continually acting like a perpetual victim.

Remember everyone , if you want change , seek the change you want by getting involved. Then you know what to do….@NYPDDaughtry @NYCPBA @sbanypd @lbanypd @CeaNypd @NYPDChiefOfDept @NYPD1stDep @NYPDNieves @NYPDnews
Tiffany Cabán's statement that the NYPD was responding to:
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Brown University agrees to hold Israel divestment vote after pressure from student protesters

Brown University’s corporate board will vote on a proposal to divest from Israeli interests, the university announced Tuesday, a major victory for student protesters who have taken over dozens of college campuses nationwide.

Protesters at Brown will tear down their encampment at the center of campus and cease demonstrations through the end of the school year as part of an agreement reached Tuesday, University President Christina Paxson said.

“The devastation and loss of life in the Middle East has prompted many to call for meaningful change, while also raising real issues about how best to accomplish this,” Paxson wrote in a statement. “Brown has always prided itself on resolving differences through dialog, debate and listening to each other.”

“I cannot condone the encampment, which was in violation of University policies,” she continued. “Also, I have been concerned about the escalation in inflammatory rhetoric that we have seen recently, and the increase in tensions at campuses across the country. I appreciate the sincere efforts on the part of our students to take steps to prevent further escalation.”
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https://thehill.com/homenews/education/ ... rotesters/
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Jeremy Slevin @jeremyslevin wrote: Sen. Sanders: "I suggest to CNN and maybe some of my colleagues here, maybe take your cameras, just for a moment, off of Columbia and UCLA . Maybe go to Gaza, and take your camera show us the emaciated children who are dying from malnutrition because of Netanyahu's policies."
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Armored vehicle at UT Dallas.
Read Let This Radicalize You @JoshuaPHilll wrote: This is what the cops just brought into the student Gaza solidarity encampment at UT Dallas. At least 19 arrests so far.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:29 pm
“Let’s take any other ethnic or religious minority,” said Eden Yadegar, a junior at Columbia. “Would you only accept them if they were willing to denounce an integral part of their religious or ethnic identity? The answer is absolutely not. So how come it’s OK to say, you know, we accept Jews, but only if you denounce your religious and social and ethnic connection to your homeland? It’s ridiculous.”
This is one way to look at it. Another would be that they are refusing to denounce the indiscriminate killing on innocent women and children. The destruction of every University. The destruction of the hospitals, and health care system. The fact that there ARE in fact plenty Jews that support divestment belies their position.
What I think you are ignoring is this: the governing ideology of this protest movement is one in which Israel as a Jewish state is and always was illegitimate, a "settler colonial" enterprise of outsiders coming in and displacing the "indigenous" inhabitants, and that its creation as such should be undone. On this view every inch of Israel is occupied, every Israeli anywhere a "settler", and violence against them glorified as "resistance". It should boycotted, its citizens barred from academic conferences, and in general made a pariah state until this happens. All this has nothing to do with the current war, that just makes it more urgent.

But ... almost every Jew in the world, but for this sliver of radicals, is a "Zionist" in the sense of supporting Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. It's weird to even use that word since they regard Zionism as an accomplished project in the past. Israel is recognized by the UN and of course the US government. But in this student movement they spit out "Zionist" like a dirty word and physically block "Zionists" from their spaces.

If you are someone who hasn't drunk all this ideological Kool-Aid, who accepts Israel's right to exist, has no interest in the fantasy of undoing it, but only want to oppose its manner of conducting this war ... well, there is no place for you in this student movement. It's not just some narrow anti-war movement. It brings in all this baggage which is going to be deeply offensive to almost all Jews.

The fact that there are left-wing Jews in this movement is about as relevant to this as the fact that there are Black conservatives who support Trump.

There have been and still are real peace activists in this space who work for a path to coexistence and mutual understanding, now tragically distant. But they are not the one-sided students of this movement with their simplistic black-and-white construction.

Again, I think the Josh Marshall piece I cited touches on some of the reasons this movement is deeply deeply disconcerting to Jews better than I can.
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I’m not going to be dragged into this conversation. I liked the article you cited above, it was thoughtful.
Netanyahu and Hamas. They both saw it as in their interests to kill it and they did kill it. You can question the good faith of the key actors of both sides of Oslo. But those two are the ones who set out to kill it and did kill it. They have always been, in effect, allies.
This is why I am fond of those who state they are:
- pro-Israel
- pro-Palestine
- anti-Netanyahu
- anti-Hamas

Hamas has done some pretty messed up things. So has Netanyahu. Before this conflict. The first thing that comes to mind is the bulldozing in Palestinian homes to make room for Jewish settlers. That’s coexisting? I don’t know the solution. I know that it isn’t bulldozing and moving in. I know that it isn’t killing women and children, destroying hospitals and schools. And I know that it isn’t taking innocent people hostage.

Divesting is a good start, and it isn’t anti-Semitic.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 10:07 pm This is why I am fond of those who state they are:
- pro-Israel
- pro-Palestine
- anti-Netanyahu
- anti-Hamas
When you first posted that, I was tempted to reply. I think that is not representative of this student movement AT ALL. You are not going to find those people criticizing Hamas in any way, much less saying they are pro-Israel in any sense. Zionists not allowed.
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My eyes can’t roll enough.
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