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Standard palybook for Necheles as she is trying to use minor inconsistencies like was it a dinner or a snack, was it a dinner with no food to portray Daniels as changing her story in different accounts. Daniels isn't playing along and calls her out for the trickery.
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Trump's lawyer tries to suggest that Daniels told Vogue something different in 2018, which Daniels rejects.

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Usually, after a friendly direct-examination, a contentious cross is where witnesses lose their cool — but with Stormy Daniels, the opposite has been true.

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A . I guess he was having a party for his vodka release
party , he reached out and asked me if I would attend.
Q.
A.
Did you agree to go?
Yes.
Why did you agree to go?
Q.
A . For the same reason, I wanted to maintain that sort of
relationship because the celebrity -- the chance to be on the
The Apprentice was still up in the air and it would have been a
great thing. It would have been great for my career, especially
when it was framed as being a writer and director.
public event.
MS . NECHELES : Objection.
THE COUR T: Sustained.
MS . NECHELES: Move to strike.
It was a
THE COURT: Ms. Daniels, please keep the answer
short. Listen to the question and answer the question .
The object i on is ove rruled.
MS . HOFFINGER : Thank you
I thought that her legal name was Stephanie Clifford. Stormy Daniels is just her stage name.

I would think that, in court, one's legal name would be used, not a stage name.
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noblepa wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:44 am :snippity: I thought that her legal name was Stephanie Clifford. Stormy Daniels is just her stage name.

I would think that, in court, one's legal name would be used, not a stage name.
At the beginning of her testimony the assistant DA asked her what name she preferred to be referred and she said "Stormy Daniels". I think Mechan was just respecting her wish.
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Asked about Trump's indictment, Daniels deadpans: "There are a lot of indictments."

Necheles: I move to strike that your honor.
Overruled.
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Cross concludes.

Necheles's closing argument decoded: So you're a slut and thus couldn't possibly have been shocked to see a guy in boxers on the bed, so you made it up, right?

So transparent. Good luck with that, fuckhead.
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I'll defer to the experts, but this doesn't feel like effective cross.
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p0rtia wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:58 am Cross concludes.

Necheles's closing argument decoded: So you're a slut and thus couldn't possibly have been shocked to see a guy in boxers on the bed, so you made it up, right?

So transparent. Good luck with that, fuckhead.
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Katie Phang on Twitter wrote:NECHELES: “Even though you had agreed that you would not discuss this supposed story and you had received a lot of money for that agreement, you then decided that you wanted to publicly say that you had sex with Donald Trump.”

DANIELS: “No, nobody would ever want to publicly say that”. I wanted to publicly defend myself after Michael Cohen told that story.
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I was hoping DA Hoffinger would keep the re-direct brief and she did. That is a sign of how well Daniels did on cross x. Let's see if Necheles wants to continue to dig the hole. I suspect not.
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Years ago, when this story first came out, I had read something about Stormy looking to transition into stand-up comedy now that she was aging out of the adult film industry.

I'd buy that ticket.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 12:22 pm Years ago, when this story first came out, I had read something about Stormy looking to transition into stand-up comedy now that she was aging out of the adult film industry.

I'd buy that ticket.
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Reality Check wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:51 am
noblepa wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:44 am :snippity: I thought that her legal name was Stephanie Clifford. Stormy Daniels is just her stage name.

I would think that, in court, one's legal name would be used, not a stage name.
At the beginning of her testimony the assistant DA asked her what name she preferred to be referred and she said "Stormy Daniels". I think Mechan was just respecting her wish.
Not to go all sov cit here, but there is a widely recognized common law right to change one's name without legal proceedings. The boundaries of the right are fuzzy, and there are institutions that won't go along for certain purposes, but if she has decided to go by "Stormy Daniels," it's a "legal" name.
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chancery wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 12:32 pm
Reality Check wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:51 am
noblepa wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:44 am :snippity: I thought that her legal name was Stephanie Clifford. Stormy Daniels is just her stage name.

I would think that, in court, one's legal name would be used, not a stage name.
At the beginning of her testimony the assistant DA asked her what name she preferred to be referred and she said "Stormy Daniels". I think Mechan was just respecting her wish.
Not to go all sov cit here, but there is a widely recognized common law right to change one's name without legal proceedings. The boundaries of the right are fuzzy, and there are institutions that won't go along for certain purposes, but if she has decided to go by "Stormy Daniels," it's a "legal" name.
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Great analysis of Stormy’s initial cross by Karen Agnifilo.

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Once jurors are gone, Blanche rises to say that the defense wants to raise three new issues related to witness testimony. One is a renewed motion for mistrial regarding Daniels' testimony. They also want to preclude McDougal's testimony and have a matter related to the gag order concerning "the witness who just testified."
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Why yes, fuckhead, you can most certainly respond freely to what Ms. Daniels said.

Farcical.
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p0rtia wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 2:22 pm Why yes, fuckhead, you can most certainly respond freely to what Ms. Daniels said.

Farcical.
Katie Phang's comment on Twitter was that Trump has the option to respond to Stormy's narrative, yes, he is free to testify in the trial, those are the rules and that is his right.

I'm sorry, my hearing's, not so good, did somebody whisper "but perjury"? And is that muttering "cross-examination would be fun"?
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chancery wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 12:32 pm
Reality Check wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:51 am
noblepa wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 11:44 am :snippity: I thought that her legal name was Stephanie Clifford. Stormy Daniels is just her stage name.

I would think that, in court, one's legal name would be used, not a stage name.
At the beginning of her testimony the assistant DA asked her what name she preferred to be referred and she said "Stormy Daniels". I think Mechan was just respecting her wish.
Not to go all sov cit here, but there is a widely recognized common law right to change one's name without legal proceedings. The boundaries of the right are fuzzy, and there are institutions that won't go along for certain purposes, but if she has decided to go by "Stormy Daniels," it's a "legal" name.
I understand all that. For that matter, a woman need not go to court to assume her husband's surname when she marries. She just needs to notify all credit cards, banks, employers, etc. of the change, and then begin using her new name.

I just wasn't sure whether Ms. Daniels had decided to live as Stormy Daniels or Stephanie Clifford.

I know that some celebrities do go by their stage name and some don't. Martin Sheen, for example, still has his birth name, Juan Estivez, on his driver's license. I once saw an interview, in which he said he was proud of his hispanic heritage and chose not to change it.
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I'm not following this thread that closely. What's the disagreement? She says four and he says seven?
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 2:45 pm
p0rtia wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 2:22 pm Why yes, fuckhead, you can most certainly respond freely to what Ms. Daniels said.

Farcical.
Katie Phang's comment on Twitter was that Trump has the option to respond to Stormy's narrative, yes, he is free to testify in the trial, those are the rules and that is his right.

I'm sorry, my hearing's, not so good, did somebody whisper "but perjury"? And is that muttering "cross-examination would be fun"?
Exactly.

Pleeeez Mr. Thug Judge, remove the gag order so I can bash Stormy out the wazoo. No no no, I can't wait till I have a chance to testify (fingers crossed!); I have to do it NOOOOOWWWWW, you meany!!! Wah!

Necheles et al. must be chartreuse with embarrassment. Or not.
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To be very charitable: the argument likely will be:

1. It never happened, Daniels is an extortionist, and it was a business decision to kill a fake story.

2.

3. Ergo, not a fraudulent business record!

It is a spaghetti defense (throw it against the wall and see what sticks) intended to create ("reasonable") doubt.
Because the prosecutor's witnesses are all liars, cons, or both.
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bob wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 3:45 pm To be very charitable: the argument likely will be:

1. It never happened, Daniels is an extortionist, and it was a business decision to kill a fake story.

2.

3. Ergo, not a fraudulent business record!

It is a spaghetti defense (throw it against the wall and see what sticks) intended to create ("reasonable") doubt.
Because the prosecutor's witnesses are all liars, cons, or both.
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As for the cross of Stormy Daniels, either Trump's lawyer does not know about the rule never to ask a witness a question to which you don't know the answer (unlikely), or her idiot client insisted she get tough (likely) and she simply got tangled up in trying to make the witness look bad. Stormy Daniels was pretty much equal to the challenge and left the lawyer looking like a fool. Susan Necheles should be embarrassed.
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zekeb wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 3:32 pm I'm not following this thread that closely. What's the disagreement? She says four and he says seven?
I guess you're following it more closely than I am. Four or seven of what?
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