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Fox News and CNN did not air former President Donald Trump's address at the North Carolina GOP State Convention on Saturday night. MSNBC did broadcast segments of Trump's address, reportedly with correspondent Ali Vitali speaking over the ex-presidents remarks.

As Trump began his speech at the Greenville Convention Center, several social media users noted that Fox News was not broadcasting his first official speech since the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in February.

CNN host Brian Stelter tweeted, "Fox News is NOT airing Trump's first speech in months. Fox is sticking with a pre-taped 'Watters World' instead. Newsmax and One America News are showing Trump live, as expected."

"Fox News thus far hasn't carried any portion of former Pres. Trump's speech live," tweeted Atlantic White House reporter Peter Nicholas.

neeneko wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:02 am

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:12 am Also, what is up with his pants?

Those are the pants of a man who believes he knows his measurements better than his tailor.

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:36 am

neeneko wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:02 am

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:12 am Also, what is up with his pants?

Those are the pants of a man who believes he knows his measurements better than his tailor.

Yes, his clothing is very ill fitting. Wrinkles in that area are often caused by having too little fabric in the outer thigh area. He seems to think that wearing clothing that is too large in general will hide extra weight. But, even though his pants are too large in some areas, they clearly need adjustments such as a full butt adjustment, large outer thigh adjustments, etc. His tailor probably cringes and has to try hard to put on a poker face more than his barber. These pants need to be let out at the side seams in the thigh area, but have way too much fabric in the lower legs. And his stomach is straining those pants as well. He has a large rear end, and I doubt his pants are adjusted for that. Just as large breasted women often need what is referred to as a "full bust adjustment" for blouses, there is a thing called a large rear adjustment, or large butt adjustment that will prevent the bunching up that happens in clothing in the area under the derriere if the butt is too big for the pants.

neonzx wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:18 am Gosh, I'd have assumed a "billionaire" could have this stuff done.

Trump tosses out a conspiracy that Facebook paid hundreds of millions of dollars for "phony lockboxes" that contained "96% Biden votes" during the election.

"They were like just dumping ballots, it was a phony deal!....There's a lot of litigation coming..."

Stuart Varney offers absolutely no pushback.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:28 pm So this happened this morning...

Trump tosses out a conspiracy that Facebook paid hundreds of millions of dollars for "phony lockboxes" that contained "96% Biden votes" during the election.

"They were like just dumping ballots, it was a phony deal!....There's a lot of litigation coming..."

Stuart Varney offers absolutely no pushback.

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm People who buy into voter fraud conspiracies (and pretty much any conspiracy for that matter) aren't known for having solid critical thinking skills.

My sister lives 15 minutes away in one direction, my mother lives hour away in a different direction. All three of us are in different congressional districts, and therefore our ballots are often different. In order for mass printing of fake ballots to take place, whoever is printing these fake ballots would need to have access to the exact ballot design (names, party affiliations, etc) of not just the main candidates, but all down ballot races in each district including judges, and all kinds of local county races. The idea that some foreign country would successfully print ballots that are good enough to fool the people who would opening and processing those ballots in each of a countless number of districts is kind of stupid. In order to have any impact on a national level race there would have to be ballots printed for a large number of voting districts. It's just absurd.

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm People who buy into voter fraud conspiracies (and pretty much any conspiracy for that matter) aren't known for having solid critical thinking skills.

My sister lives 15 minutes away in one direction, my mother lives hour away in a different direction. All three of us are in different congressional districts, and therefore our ballots are often different. In order for mass printing of fake ballots to take place, whoever is printing these fake ballots would need to have access to the exact ballot design (names, party affiliations, etc) of not just the main candidates, but all down ballot races in each district including judges, and all kinds of local county races. The idea that some foreign country would successfully print ballots that are good enough to fool the people who would opening and processing those ballots in each of a countless number of districts is kind of stupid. In order to have any impact on a national level race there would have to be ballots printed for a large number of voting districts. It's just absurd.

zekeb wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:30 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm People who buy into voter fraud conspiracies (and pretty much any conspiracy for that matter) aren't known for having solid critical thinking skills.

My sister lives 15 minutes away in one direction, my mother lives hour away in a different direction. All three of us are in different congressional districts, and therefore our ballots are often different. In order for mass printing of fake ballots to take place, whoever is printing these fake ballots would need to have access to the exact ballot design (names, party affiliations, etc) of not just the main candidates, but all down ballot races in each district including judges, and all kinds of local county races. The idea that some foreign country would successfully print ballots that are good enough to fool the people who would opening and processing those ballots in each of a countless number of districts is kind of stupid. In order to have any impact on a national level race there would have to be ballots printed for a large number of voting districts. It's just absurd.

trump could care less how the down ballot candidates are affected. To him it's all about MEEEEEE.

northland10 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:28 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm People who buy into voter fraud conspiracies (and pretty much any conspiracy for that matter) aren't known for having solid critical thinking skills.

My sister lives 15 minutes away in one direction, my mother lives hour away in a different direction. All three of us are in different congressional districts, and therefore our ballots are often different. In order for mass printing of fake ballots to take place, whoever is printing these fake ballots would need to have access to the exact ballot design (names, party affiliations, etc) of not just the main candidates, but all down ballot races in each district including judges, and all kinds of local county races. The idea that some foreign country would successfully print ballots that are good enough to fool the people who would opening and processing those ballots in each of a countless number of districts is kind of stupid. In order to have any impact on a national level race there would have to be ballots printed for a large number of voting districts. It's just absurd.

And if I recall, the envelope and/or the ballots all have trackable serial numbers. While the envelope might not have info about the ballot (to protect the secret ballot) they may well both have their own unique IDs. Therefore, whatever came in from a voter would have to be the same ID that went out to the voter.

Getting that part right would be even tougher for a fake ballot crowd.

northland10 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:28 pm ...

And if I recall, the envelope and/or the ballots all have trackable serial numbers. While the envelope might not have info about the ballot (to protect the secret ballot) they may well both have their own unique IDs. Therefore, whatever came in from a voter would have to be the same ID that went out to the voter.

Getting that part right would be even tougher for a fake ballot crowd.

Kate520 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:50 pm Democrats are amazing, aren’t we? Simultaneously incompetent and lazy, all the while plotting with FaceBook, China, Venezuela, and Russia (or was it Iran?) to steal the election from the most malignantly ignorant man on the planet.

Go us!!

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:46 pm

Kate520 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:50 pm Democrats are amazing, aren’t we? Simultaneously incompetent and lazy, all the while plotting with FaceBook, China, Venezuela, and Russia (or was it Iran?) to steal the election from the most malignantly ignorant man on the planet.

Go us!!

A James Bond master criminal plot...

Pulled off by a Saturday morning cartoon villain...

noblepa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:55 pm

zekeb wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:30 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 pm People who buy into voter fraud conspiracies (and pretty much any conspiracy for that matter) aren't known for having solid critical thinking skills.

My sister lives 15 minutes away in one direction, my mother lives hour away in a different direction. All three of us are in different congressional districts, and therefore our ballots are often different. In order for mass printing of fake ballots to take place, whoever is printing these fake ballots would need to have access to the exact ballot design (names, party affiliations, etc) of not just the main candidates, but all down ballot races in each district including judges, and all kinds of local county races. The idea that some foreign country would successfully print ballots that are good enough to fool the people who would opening and processing those ballots in each of a countless number of districts is kind of stupid. In order to have any impact on a national level race there would have to be ballots printed for a large number of voting districts. It's just absurd.

trump could care less how the down ballot candidates are affected. To him it's all about MEEEEEE.

Yeah, and Trump doesn't understand how elections in this country work.

In my county alone, here in Ohio, there are probably 100 different ballots in a Presidential election year. Every municipality has a mayor or city councilmen running for office. Many school districts, which don't always follow city boundaries, have levy issues. Our county has parts of several congressional districts. There may be local ballot issues, as well. Between elections, a big part of what the County Board of Elections does, is prepare, double-check and print ballots for upcoming elections. It is a very time-consuming process.

Imagine a huge Venn diagram, where each circle represents one candidate, one levy or one ballot issue, each applicable to a different geographical area. Each convergence of those circles represents a distinct ballot.

I'm sure that this is typical of all states that allow mail-in voting.

And, Ohio has 88 counties. There are probably several thousand distinct ballots across the state. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a Presidential election year, there were 20,000 distinct ballots nationwide.

RV's point about the near impossibility of dumping hundreds of thousands or millions of fake ballots into the system to alter the outcome, is very well taken. The whole idea is stupid and patently absurd.

ETA: I just sent an email to the Cuyahoga County Board of elections, asking how many distinct ballots are used in a Presidential election year. Will post the answer, so we have some idea of the scale of what it would take to undertake such a fraud.

Thank you for your question and interest in the elections process. I hope I am able to address your questions and concerns. I will address them individually:

" I saw a discussion on the web recently, about a conspiracy theory about someone creating hundreds of thousands of fake ballots, in order to steal the 2020 Presidential election." - We hear a lot about this as well. Let me assure you that it does not happen. Creating fake ballot, while theoretically possible, is not very likely to succeed. The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections (CCBOE) and the Ohio Secretary of State (SOS) have worked diligently to place certain requirements on the paper, printing and other aspects of the ballots to make them difficult to counterfeit. While I obviously cannot discuss them all with you for security reasons, I would like to reassure you that they do exist.

In addition, there are numerous other safety measures in place to ensure that only eligible people can vote in the election. For example, we know how many registered voters exist in each precinct. If someone goes to the polls and votes, we check to see if they are registered and allow them to vote if they are. They are then entered into our system and cannot receive another ballot. So, for example, if we only have 100 people sign in the poll books but have 500 ballots, we will flag the precinct and look deeply into it. The same if they Vote-by-Mail or Vote Early In-Person, we keep a record of eligible voters vs. ballot cast.

"Multiple Ballot Styles throughout the county" - It is true that there are many different ballot styles throughout the county. In the November 2020 General Election, there were a total of 74 different styles. Every time there is a new district (such as Congressional, House, Senate), the ballot is slightly different in appearance. In a municipal year, this grows exponentially as every time there is a new city, ward, etc.; the ballot slightly changes. This would also prevent to "alleged" printing of fake ballots to change the election.

SuzieC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:04 pm Good info noblepa. Columbus is in Franklin County, though.

noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:38 pm

SuzieC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:04 pm Good info noblepa. Columbus is in Franklin County, though.

Oops. I knew that. Hamilton county is Cincinatti.