Anonymous Marine claims he met Obama in 1980

twinx · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:32 am

And you'll never believe what Obama told him... :lol:

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Barack Obama Sighting, Hawaii 1980
...A friend of mine sent me this story of his time in the Marine Corps. Read through to the end, it’s a shocker.

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I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia. He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck...

He also told me something that I never forgot...I told him I had been to Africa , Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”. I told him he is not eligible to be president if that was true, but I remembered he said his mom was an American, so, maybe it was okay...

It was Barak Obama. I don’t know if I’d bet my life on it, but I am willing to tell people openly at the risk of my ridicule. I was there, and saw him, spoke to him, and he openly told me he was born in Mombassa, Kenya, not Hawaii .

John Charlton makes an appearance in the comments, looking for an interview with the 'friend' whose willingness to 'risk ridicule' does not extend to giving his name...yet.

Much snipped from here: : http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/b ... omment-567

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23530

Is this guy related to Lucas Smith perhaps?

I suspect Orly will put out the word to her minions "Can someone help me find this man? I need to talk to him to see if he'd join my "plaintiffs" or testify in my cases." :lol:

Is Lincoln dangling a carrot to make contact with Orly again?

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3891

I'm not sure how the name got lost along the way, but when Alan Peters first posted this a couple of weeks back, he attributed it to James Bancroft.

That would be this guy.

Whether or not Bancroft wrote it, the fact that it first appeared at Anti-Mullah should be a huge red flag. The guy is strongly anti-Muslim, and has been at the forefront of several Obama rumors. He actually started a particularly big one.

The thing I love the most about this story is that in the course of his casual conversation with a 19-year-old kid, on top of the mere Mombasa claim, the kid just happened to inject that he wanted to be President, and the Marine just happened to automatically think of the Constitutional ramifications of the kid's disclosed birthplace.

My. How tidy and convenient.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3891

Additionally, over at FreeRepublic RaceBannon seems to be taking credit for writing this. Race's previous history for posting Bancroft material raises the presumption that they're the same person.

Furthermore, and I don't have a link handy this moment, but RaceBannon has a prior history with Alan Peters.

Foggy · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:18 am

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:32 am

Loren wrote:

Additionally, over at FreeRepublic RaceBannon seems to be taking credit for writing this. Race's previous history for posting Bancroft material raises the presumption that they're the same person.

Furthermore, and I don't have a link handy this moment, but RaceBannon has a prior history with Alan Peters.

Corsi also has a way of finding people who will tell devastating stories, e.g., Swift Boats. Bancroft, in his hate, might have become convinced that he was telling the truth -- with a little bit of assistance from someone who"only jogged" his memory.

Foggy · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:34 am

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I believe I met Barak Obama in Hawaii in 1980 in Honolulu.

Do tell.

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He told me he lived in Hawaii.

Except he was living in L.A. at the time, attending Occidental College from '79 to '81. And his mom was in Indonesia from '77 to '94. He could possibly have been visiting his grandparents, but he did NOT live in Hawaii in August 1980.

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He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time in the continental United States ...

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Next. :lol:

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3891

OK, here 'tis: RaceBannon and Alan Peters. Going back several years.

Bannon/Bancroft has also been a Birther going back at least as far as October 2008. Funny that despite his active participation in Birtherism, it took him a year to bring this story up.

Additionally:

Jim Bancroft baits a pro-health care person into a fight

Tea Baggers Screaming at Congressman Chris Murphy

JIM BANCROFT - A FORCE OF NATURE

Dump Dodd: Suicide Advocates and Screeching about Socialism

Teabaggers Mock Dodd’s Cancer, Tell Him To Kill Himself

zeelin · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:58 am **Posts:** 151

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. . .I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

Short hair, eh? There's a series of photos of Obama taken his freshman year at Occidental; look at this photo of him, for example, in 1980, with an Afro. http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1866765_1815171,00.html Pictures of him from high school also show him with "big hair."

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:39 pm

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. .I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

How would he know Obama was mulatto? You can't tell just looking at him, can you?

ZekeB · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:43 pm

Foggy wrote:

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I believe I met Barak Obama in Hawaii in 1980 in Honolulu.

Do tell.

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He told me he lived in Hawaii.

Except he was living in L.A. at the time, attending Occidental College from '79 to '81. And his mom was in Indonesia from '77 to '94. He could possibly have been visiting his grandparents, but he did NOT live in Hawaii in August 1980.

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He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time in the continental United States ...

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Next. :lol:

Wrong meter. You need one that measures male bovine excrement.

cbreitel · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:54 pm

Sequoia32 wrote:

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. .I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

How would he know Obama was mulatto? You can't tell just looking at him, can you?

This is just a cultural observation, but in my opinion no American in the 1980s would refer to a light-skinned black man as being "Mulatto." It doesn't even make sense. A very high percentage of African-Americans in this country are mixed race anyway, at some point in their ancestral line going back to the slavery era. (The same is true of white Southerners, by the way.) "Mulatto" is a term that stopped making sense at some point in US history.

The point of my observation is that, in light of it, the entire "Mulatto" statement is a piece of fiction (badly written fiction) conjured up by someone. It's not a spontaneous utterance by an actual Marine who met the actual Barack Obama. But of course, we all already know that.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3891

A little more on former Marine Jim "RaceBannon" Bancroft.

He was one of the very first to latch onto Birtherism's conspiracy theory of "The birth certificate is a forgery!" June 12, 2008, within hours of its publication, he was writing "There is NO WAY this is real!"

His general attitude toward Obama is reflect in this post:

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RC2: "Obama has absolutely no military experience. In these days, we need a war time President. Sad to say but that’s just the way it is. Obama only knows what others tell him....that in itself is scarey. One big question is ....who is controlling him."

RaceBannon: "Satan is controlling him"

What an unbelievable coincidence that the person to whom Obama admitted a Mombasan birth in 1980 grew up to be an Obama-hating Birther.

iangould · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:10 am **Posts:** 728

"What an unbelievable coincidence that the person to whom Obama admitted a Mombasan birth in 1980 grew up to be an Obama-hating Birther."

Who appears not to have remembered this conversation until roughly 5 years after Obama became a prominent national figure with his speech to the 2004 Democratic convention; 2-3 years after Obama started his campaign for the Presidency and a year after his election.

rikker · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:52 pm **Posts:** 1069

Your observations are correct here. Without seeing the parents, no one (in 1980) would use the term "mulatto" to describe a black person. Obama and I have the same complexion. Both my parents are black. Any person that described me as a mulatto (to my face) would quickly discern the error by way of my response. It's never happened in all my life, though.

Also, in 1980 Obama DID wear an afro.

The person who wrote about this confrontation made it up.

lyssandri · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:45 pm

Loren wrote:

Whether or not Bancroft wrote it, the fact that it first appeared at Anti-Mullah should be a huge red flag. The guy is strongly anti-Muslim, and has been at the forefront of several Obama rumors. He actually started a particularly big one.

Which one was that, if you don't mind saying? (And if you'd rather not, that's cool - I'm just curious)

June bug · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:58 pm

cbreitel wrote:

Sequoia32 wrote:

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. .I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

How would he know Obama was mulatto? You can't tell just looking at him, can you?

This is just a cultural observation, but in my opinion no American in the 1980s would refer to a light-skinned black man as being "Mulatto."

Good points and here's another. I live in Hawaii. I don't believe that anyone meeting someone in Honolulu who racially resembled Obama would think his ethnicity was a blend of Caucasian and African-American. In Hawaii, a far more likely first assumption would be some mix of Pacific Island heritage. It's possible that the young man announced his ethnicity to this guy, but surprising that with all the other "detail" that's included, that fact is not.

PatGund · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:08 pm

June bug wrote:

Good points and here's another. I live in Hawaii. I don't believe that anyone meeting someone in Honolulu who racially resembled Obama would think his ethnicity was a blend of Caucasian and African-American. In Hawaii, a far more likely first assumption would be some mix of Pacific Island heritage. It's possible that the young man announced his ethnicity to this guy, but surprising that with all the other "detail" that's included, that fact is not.

Maybe it was that I was a base rat for most of my time living on Oahu, but I seem to recall that there were quite a few "Black Americans" in my elementary schools, (Salt Lake and Chester Nimitz)

But you're right. Anyone who had spent any time in the islands would have thought "hapa-haole" first

June bug · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:18 pm

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PatGund: Maybe it was that I was a base rat for most of my time living on Oahu, but I seem to recall that there were quite a few "Black Americans" in my elementary schools, (Salt Lake and Chester Nimitz)

But you're right. Anyone who had spent any time in the islands would have thought "hapa-haole" first

That was my point, Pat - not that there aren't a number of African-Americans or others of African ethnicity in the islands, but that "hapa-haole" (Pacific Islander-white) would be a much more likely first assumption on anyone's part simply because their numbers are much larger.

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:28 pm

rikker wrote:

Your observations are correct here. Without seeing the parents, no one (in 1980) would use the term "mulatto" to describe a black person. Obama and I have the same complexion. Both my parents are black. Any person that described me as a mulatto (to my face) would quickly discern the error by way of my response. It's never happened in all my life, though.

Also, in 1980 Obama DID wear an afro.

The person who wrote about this confrontation made it up.

After seeing your kid picture (your avatar), the only word I can think of to describe you, rikker, is

cute!

iangould · **Joined:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:10 am **Posts:** 728

So someone knows someone who told him that they met someone who told them something that he couldn't possible have a direct memory of and was therefore relying on what his parents supposedly told him.

What's that: quadruple hearsay?

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3891

iangould wrote:

"What an unbelievable coincidence that the person to whom Obama admitted a Mombasan birth in 1980 grew up to be an Obama-hating Birther."

Who appears not to have remembered this conversation until roughly 5 years after Obama became a prominent national figure with his speech to the 2004 Democratic convention; 2-3 years after Obama started his campaign for the Presidency and a year after his election.

Perhaps most importantly, it was over a year after he himself started claiming that Obama was born in Kenya that he suddenly remembered "Oh yeah, 30 years ago I met teenage Obama and he personally told me he was born in Kenya."

Foggy · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:42 pm

iangould wrote:

What's that: quadruple hearsay?

In my neck of the woods, we'd just call it a plain fib.

allison · **Posted:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:47 pm

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I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair...

*YAWN*

One time, at band camp...

err, wait...I mean

One time, at Lawyer camp, I struck up a conversation with this crazy chick, Russian, about 50, all eyelashes, skinny, poofy fake blonde hair ... :roll:

Smithereens · **Posted:** Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:47 am

Foggy wrote:

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I believe I met Barak Obama in Hawaii in 1980 in Honolulu.

Do tell.

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He told me he lived in Hawaii.

Except he was living in L.A. at the time, attending Occidental College from '79 to '81. And his mom was in Indonesia from '77 to '94. He could possibly have been visiting his grandparents, but he did NOT live in Hawaii in August 1980.

Well, he DID tell the Selective Service he lived in Hawaii in August 1980, with his grandparents in fact. Are you saying Obama lied about his home address? Or do you think his SS registration was a forgery as Orly claims? :roll:

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