BB, that's an excellent idea. It would be easier for me, because the mail from here is unreliable. I would like to contribute to PJ's various efforts as well as I can.

I should have posted this last night. This is why the reporter's transcript, at pp. 54-59, is such a smoking gun:



As soon as realist can clear the hurdles and get the transcript up, you'll see precisely what Taitz's just-discovered problem is. It's funny, but until we got the transcript no one had a clue that Lincoln had repeatedly addressed the court and, as a result, had "appear[ed] on behalf of a client in [a] hearing . . . before [a] jud[ge]."

Is it too soon to start planning my official Orly Taitz Not-anymore-esquire Disbarment Party?

I'll be there!

(Edited to add ... oops, if invited!)

Probably too soon for that. But I am sure you could give us your take on how the disbarment hearing will go. (Think Woody Allen in Bananas!)

I'd be onboard for the contributions toward expenses. I appreciate the info you folks get.

Looks like we need a PayPal button! Just click on mine, everybody!

Don't be an azz. There's nothing wrong with wanting to help someone who incurred expenses for the benefit of the members. Maybe kinda socialist thing to do. But, this board is full of socialists & commies.

Sorry, Stern. I still luvs you.

I remember when CEL said that. My thought at the time was that it was completely gratuitous and insincere. Sort of like when Rush Limbaugh throws a bone to the religious right - he doesn't believe a word of it, but he knows it plays well with that part of his audience.

It was hard to hear some parts of what CEL said because he was not on the mic, and what I could hear did not strike me as being particularly important. But it is very interesting to re-read it now, in light of subsequent events of the continuing service fiasco. He mentioned amending the complaint.

Stern, I am sorry that I did not understand the significance of the fact that CEL addressed the court or I would have pointed it out sooner. But I suspect that the information will now be provided to the appropriate parties.

Wavey - No problem. We've got it and now the State Bar will presumably get it, too. While it would have been good to know after the hearing, just knowing now is good enough. We just didn't get our hopes up before.

What was O RLY's demeanor while this was going on? Was she at a loss for words, and CEL had to step in to save the day? I've never seen her at a loss for words, even if it's the same words she said a minute before. Was CEL bullying her by speaking out of turn? Did O RLY seem upset that this had happened, or was she nodding in enthusiastic agreement?

If we do go with a Pay Pal button, I think it would be good to use it in very specific ways so that no one can claim we're trying to do the same kind of shameful money-grubbing Orly does.

One way to do that might be to only have the Pay Pal button available when someone has either incurred a bill or purchased something for the site or as part of an investigation or when someone knows that they will be needing to purchase something in the near future. Wherever the Pay Pal button is located, list what specifically the money is going to be used for - such as reimbursing a conference call or buying a transcript, and what the goal amount needed is. If someone is seeking to be reimbursed for expenses they've already made, they can send in a receipt, which can be posted. If they need money upfront, have them sign an agreement that if they can't or don't get or do whatever the money was intended for, they will repay the fund within a certain amount of time.

These suggestions aren't because I think people here are untrustworthy or out to rip people off, but given how much of a deal has been made of Orly and others trying to just get as much as they can out of their followers, having some provisions like this gives people who choose to donate a reasonable reassurance that their money is going for the purposes intended and that this isn't just a "give us as much money as you can" kind of scheme.

If I've offended anyone with these suggestions, I apologize. That is not my intent. I know I'm still kinda new here, but it's nice being on the high road and I'd hate to see anything happen to change that, that's all.

Good questions.

I can't tell demeanor from the transcript, but the court reporter's time stamp shows Lincoln's "participation" began at 11:10 and lasted through 11:13. If Taitz was unhappy with him she had plenty of time to deal with it.

As I have read the transcript, it is obvious, and the Judge points out to her, that she wants to continue to argue service. Orly goes round and round about service. Judge Carter points out to Orly that HER refuse to follow proper procedure is what has been stalling the case. Orly argues that Obama is stonewalling. Judge Carter again points out that it is HER lack of following procedural process that has kept the case from moving forward.

Judge Carter orders Orly and DeJute to come to an understanding of how they will serve Obama that day. Once Orly and DeJute agree to the method of service, Orly is a bit stumped as to how to proceed. This is where Lincoln steps in. The Judge asks for a firm time of day at which Orly will officially serve DeJute with the lawsuit. Lincoln steps in to explain that they need to make photocopies and Orly mentions that they need time to amend the complaint. LINCOLN tells Orly that she can amend the complaint later and then Lincoln again steps in to ask about other paperwork that should be processed because Orly has no clue as to how to proceed.

Lincoln swooped in to save Orly, in my opinion. He could see that she was getting confused. Orly was certain that she was going to get default. When that didn't happen, and when the Judge refused to discuss the meat of the case, Orly was lost. She was drowning. Lincoln stepped in to get the Judge to explain exactly what needed to be produced and whether summons needed to be issued.

Orly was only prepared to go off about the meat of the case. As we have know all along, she has no clue as to how to follow procedure. That is where Lincoln had to take over. And he did take over for Orly. In fact, he is the last person to speak on behalf on the Plaintiffs! Orly is uttering uh, um, well, yes; Lincoln steps in to get things figured out for Orly.

One funny note: Orly thought that handing DeJute the lawsuit IN THE COURTROOM counted as serving the Defense! Of course, Judge Carter corrects her.

Lincoln most definitely stepped in as co-counsel. Judge Carter even refers to Lincoln as Counsel at the end of the hearing! Carter then corrects himself and calls Lincoln "clerk".

One last thing. I think Carter is funny as hell. And he has the patience of a saint. He was courteous and in control. That man has a sense of humor and uses it appropriately in court.

Perhaps he is less funny with competent lawyers. But, based on the transcript, I really like Judge Carter. He reminds me of one of those Professors that have taught forever and have seen it all. Carter knows when he needs to be firm and knows when he needs to humor someone.

Imagine if Orly had Judge Land presiding over Barnett v Obama. She would have been fried.

I am, and have been basically a lurker, and seldom contribute to the witty and intelligent comments that many of you make. I am interested however, in helping to defer the costs that some of you are absorbing in your efforts. I know some of you are reluctant to go to "Paypal" because of the negative actions of Orly and others, but there should be some way for us to contribute to the common good.

I hope someone will come up with a solution to this issue.

Bob

I don't think it was about soliciting donations. Just about ease of contributing when we want to pitch in for something.

Like the transcripts. A paypal would be easier. For me, anyway.

I don't even know where my checkbook is. I do everyting via debit card or online transfers. Really, I only write maybe 2 checks a year.

But, whatever is decided.

Oh thank Dog, I was becoming embarrassed for not expressing my opinion but I absolutely refuse to use PayPal....good joke!

No it wasn't like any of that. He just seemed to start in, and Orly was more or less sitting there listening as I recall. No bullying, and she was not at a loss for words or upset. I don't recall enthusiastic agreement, but it could be. To me, the things that were said by him were minor logistical details about making copies, and asking about the possibility of amending later and so on. It all had to do with effecting service, which as we now know, they again failed miserably to accomplish.

RE: Paypal. Okay gang what we need to have here is a "band booster club" whether it be by paypal or whatever, BUT, basically we all chip in whatever we think we can afford to the cause. The money stays in a "trust or escrow" account (all of the lawyers here know what that is) any member who has expended money for a cause for the common good (ie the above transcript) submits an invoice to "the fund" and is reimbursed, (for instance I think that bogus info has a boat load of long distance calls that could be reimbursed, just sayin). Particularly we can all chip in for the cost of these transcripts. I do not know how to figure out the logistics of this but I definitely think that we need an "escrow account" out of which we pay expenses. This is not a "paypal" scam, this is simply a way that law firms do business every day. I do not see a problem with that. Let us run this thing the way a reputable law firm would. End of story.

Edited to add - this will not be a global request for donations, this would be the regular members of PJ chipping in for things like transcripts, no I do not think that PJ should have a paypal button, we should not go down that road, but I think that we can have a member (Mod?) hold an escrow account through which we pay for transcripts etc.