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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:15 pm 
Yes, it's on PACER.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:18 pm 
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if the court had not yet ruled on that motion by the deadline for filing the brief (2/19).


Good, bad or doesn't mean anything :?:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:35 pm 
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if the court had not yet ruled on that motion by the deadline for filing the brief (2/19).
Good, bad or doesn't mean anything :?:

Doesn't mean anything, don't think. Notwithstanding the public's collective breath-holding, cases proceed slowly through the process.

My personal "hope" is that they don't issue a summary affirmance. I'm hoping for a clearly-written appellate court opinion on the issue(s)! :!:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:49 pm 
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My personal "hope" is that they don't issue a summary affirmance. I'm hoping for a clearly-written appellate court opinion on the issue(s)!


Why? :?:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:50 pm 
DNC/Obama Introduction:
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This appeal is yet another in a long line of frivolous and vexatious filings by Appellant Philip Berg. His allegations regarding President Barack Obama are patently false, but, as the district court properly concluded, even taking them as true for purposes of this motion, his suit must be dismissed: Berg lacks standing and his complaint fails to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. This Court should affirm the judgment of the district court.


FEC Counterstatment of the Case:
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Philip J. Berg attempts through this case to present the claim that Barack Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States because he is not a “natural born” citizen as required by Article II, Section I of the Constitution (the “Natural Born Citizen Clause”). In the district court, Berg sought a declaration that Obama could not become President, as well as permanent injunctions barring him from running for the office, and barring the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) from selecting him as the party’s nominee. On October 24, 2008, the district court granted the defendants’ motions to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction and for failure to state a claim. The district court correctly held that Berg had not established injury-in-fact, and therefore standing, to bring a challenge under the Natural Born Citizen Clause because the alleged injuries were widely-shared and undifferentiated. The district court also correctly held that Berg had otherwise failed to bring a claim for which relief could be granted under various federal statutes, including 42 U.S.C. §§ 1983, 1985 and 1986; the Freedom of Information Act; and the Federal Election Campaign Act, the statute the appellee Federal Election Commission is empowered to administer and enforce. Berg now appeals the district court’s ruling.

For the first time on appeal, Berg attempts to raise new alleged facts, legal arguments, and causes of action concerning events that took place after the district court reached its decision. In particular, Berg raises (Br. 18-19) new arguments about the counting of the electoral votes on January 8, 2009, and 3 U.S.C. § 15. See, e.g., Berg’s Statement of Issues Presented, Nos. 2, 4-7.


Strong starts, both :)


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Jeez ... we better tell Phil right away!

We wouldn't want him to miss a whole day workin' on his reply, would we? I'm not trusting the Birfistanis to tell him about it this time!

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I'm sitting in my father's law office and just laughed out loud really hard when I saw Foggy's response. I just had to explain to Dad and his office mates why I was bustin' a gut from the hilarity. :)

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OK, I'm lost here. What are these appellate filings in response to?

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OK, I'm lost here. What are these appellate filings in response to?


The first Berg v Obama case that was kicked out of the USSC back in January. Berg leap-frogged over the Third Circuit Court of Appeals after Surrick rendered his decision.

Bauer (Obama's lawyer) filed a motion to dismiss. Berg tried to file an Amended Complaint instead of a response to the motion to dismiss. The judges gave him a couple of extra days to get it right. Berg filed his motion to dismiss. Sort of.

Now we await the judgment on the motion to dismiss.

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Yeah, this is the original Berg v. Obama case, that Berg appealed before judgment to the Supremes. When they tossed it out, Berg had to go forward with his appeal (from Judge Surrick's decision). That's the appeal he filed on Jan. 20, a/k/a Inaugura --, er, I mean, Fraudulent Usurper Day. It was the last possible day to file the brief, which cast some doubt on his urgency.

The Third Circuit already referred to Judge Surrick's decision as "ably expressed," so Berg had an uphill battle to start with. We deconstructed his appeal brief in this thread, and now the FEC and Obama have filed their briefs in support of Judge Surrick's decision. I believe Berg gets to file a reply brief, though I don't know when it will be due.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:30 pm 
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OK, I'm lost here. What are these appellate filings in response to?


This is the Eastern District of PA Case that was filed last August. It was heard/rejected by SCOTUS in January. A summary of that case and its current status is available here. The FEC and DNC/Obama Briefs also have been uploaded to that page.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:32 pm 
Berg's Reply Brief is due "within fourteen (14) days of service of Appellee's (Appellees') brief(s)," according to the Briefing Schedule.


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Links to the FEC and Obama/DNC filings are now available at The Docket Project


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:12 pm 
My favorite quote of all in this set of briefs:

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Finally, Berg's new argument -- that the district court violated his due process rights by dismissing the action -- is wholly without merit. There is simply no due process right to proceed with frivolous litigation.


:o :shock: :P :lol:


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Read the brief. "Preposterous" is the word.

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Appellant Berg's allegations are preposterous and patently false.

"Preposterous" pretty much sums up Berg's whole public history for the past 8 years.

    1. The idea that three Supreme Court justices would disbar themselves because Berg claimed he "represented" a few thousand moonbats who signed an online petition about a conflict of interest in Bush v. Gore was preposterous.

    2. The idea that George Bush and Dick Cheney should be imprisoned for treason and murder for allowing or orchestrating the attacks on 9/11 was preposterous.

    3. The idea that an online petition would convince the Democratic superdelegates they should vote for Hillary Clinton on the ground that Obama was "not electable" was preposterous.

    4. And now, the idea that Barack Obama was born in Kenya or lost his citizenship in Indonesia is preposterous.
They oughta put it on his headstone: "Beneath this stone lies a preposterous charlatan."

Jeez, if you read my previous comments about all the extraneous, useless crap that Berg puts in his briefs -- like the first seven pages of his Opposition to the Motion to Dismiss in Hollister v. Soetoro, where he mostly bitches about how his case has been treated, and makes your eyes glaze over before he ever gets to the meat of the matter -- now you see the exact polar opposite. Lavelle and Bauer don't waste any words, but they hit all the necessary points, and hit 'em hard, with surgical precision.

They don't use a lot of BS legalese, either. They use legal terminology to convey legal concepts, but otherwise, they use plain English language with vigor and vitality and meaning.

Berg:
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This case raises important, recurring questions relating to the presumptive scope of the United States Constitution, Article III, Section 2 Standing issues which pertain to questioning the qualifications and eligibility of a Presidential Candidate, pursuant to Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the United States
Constitution, to serve as President of the United States.

Yuck. WTF does it mean, if you aren't already immersed in the controversy?

Lavelle and Bauer:
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Berg made the preposterous and entirely baseless allegation that President -- then Senator -- Obama was not eligible to serve as President under Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution, because he was not a "natural born citizen".

OK, now I get it, even if I don't remember Clause 4 off the top of my head.

You don't have to be a lawyer to see the difference ... all you have to be is a writer.

Whoa. That's a masterful brief, IMHO. I couldn't have written it better, and I might not have written it as well. The only sentence I have a problem with is this one:

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"This appeal is yet another in a long line of frivolous and vexatious filings by Appellant Philip Berg."
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I mean, that's true, but I would have said, "This appeal is the FIRST in a long line ..."

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The only sentence I have a problem with is this one:
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"This appeal is yet another in a long line of frivolous and vexatious filings by Appellant Philip Berg."
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I mean, that's true, but I would have said, "This appeal is the FIRST in a long line ..."


but, but, but ... it's NOT the first. Maybe they should've counted them. "This appeal is the 15th? 24th? in a long line of frivolous and vexatious filings."

Thing is - how to count? Maybe "This appeal is just one of a long line of over a dozen frivolous...."

Hmm...

Edit - i can never spell frivolous or eligibility right the first time .....


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It's the first CASE.

OK, you're right. Not the first "filing".

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Tes,

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The Third Circuit already referred to Judge Surrick's decision as "ably expressed," so Berg had an uphill battle to start with. We deconstructed his appeal brief in this thread, and now the FEC and Obama have filed their briefs in support of Judge Surrick's decision. I believe Berg gets to file a reply brief, though I don't know when it will be due.


So, let me see if I understand this correctly. This was Berg's case that originated in PA State level that was dismissed.(standing) Filed at Third Circuit court but also with SCOTUS claiming Rule 11. SCOTUS denies because of pending at Third Circuit court so goes back to Third Circuit Court where Berg files his appeal brief and is referred to Merits panel which consists of 3 Judges. Now, FEC/Obama have filed their briefs in Support of Judge Surrick's decision. Berg will get to file reply brief. Correct? What happens after this? (Dismissed :lol: ) And what is the function of the Merits Panel? Seriously, what would happen after Berg files his response if Berg's case had standing/merit? And, if Berg's case is dismissed he then can appeal to SCOTUS again?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:51 pm 
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So, let me see if I understand this correctly. This was Berg's case that originated in PA State level that was dismissed.(standing) YES Filed at Third Circuit court but also with SCOTUS claiming Rule 11. YES SCOTUS denies because of pending at Third Circuit court ???

Ok, let's stop there.
Assumes facts not in evidence. We KNOW that SCOTUS denied Berg's Writ. We do NOT know why. The OC folks have claimed that the reason SCOTUS denied it was to send it back to the 3rd Cir, so, e.g., it'd be ripe when it got to them (after inauguration). :roll: There is NO evidence that that was the reason for SCOTUS's denial.
Ok, let's continue ....
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so goes back to Third Circuit Court YES where Berg files his appeal brief YES and is referred to Merits panel which consists of 3 JudgesNO .

Berg's appeal has not yet been referred to a Merit's Panel. The FEC's Motion for Summary Affirmance was referred to the Merit's Panel - not Berg's appeal.

Because the Merit's Panel had not yet ruled on that motion by 2/19, the filing deadline for merits briefs ....
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Now, FEC/Obama have filed their briefs in Support of Judge Surrick's decision. YES Berg will get to file reply brief. Correct? YES- within 14 days What happens after this? (Dismissed :lol: )
And what is the function of the Merits Panel?

After briefing is closed, the assigned judge(s) will determine whether oral argument is appropriate and may schedule oral argument. IF they do, the opinion would come out sometime after that. If they don't, ... the opinion will come out sometime after oral argument is closed (assuming, of course, that they don't issue the summary affirmance).
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Seriously, what would happen after Berg files his response if Berg's case had standing/merit?

Whether or not it has merit, the Court may decline to issue a summary affirmance, preferring to issue a full opinion on the issue. Given the sudden popularity of these types of cases, the Third Circuit might find it judicially prudent to clearly set forth "the rules" in these types of cases to avoid multiple appeals/applications, etc. in the future (at least in that Circuit). If so, they could decide to issue a full opinion discussing each one of the issues. Of course - they could elect to issue a summary affirmance ... at any point.

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And, if Berg's case is dismissed he then can appeal to SCOTUS again?

Yep.


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Tes,

Thanks. What would delay the summary affirmance? This is like a summary judgement but is called a summary affirmance because it is affirming the lower courts ruling?


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Links to the FEC and Obama/DNC filings are now available at The Docket Project

Dr. C, with all the stuff you have on your site you must be part of The Conspiracy. ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:28 am 
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Thanks. What would delay the summary affirmance? This is like a summary judgement but is called a summary affirmance because it is affirming the lower courts ruling?

No, it's not like a summary judgment, really. Least not as I understand it. (There are multiple other more experienced people who happen to be attorneys here who will, I hope, correct me if I'm wrong.)

At the trial level, a summary judgment is a judgment on the pleadings - after a full briefing schedule is concluded. The judge will issue an opinion explaining the *reasons* that s|he is granting or denying the motion for summary judgment.

At the appellate level, a summary affirmance is, essentially, an affirmance without explaining the reasons for the affirmance. So, the "opinion" would read something like: "We've reviewed the record and the briefs submitted in this court and affirm the district court's ruling." In other words, the summary affirmance would not explain the reasons for the affirmance.

So, in this case, the FEC essentially asked the Court to just affirm Judge Surrick's decision, on the grounds that no substantial question was presented (i.e. the law is crystal clear on the issues, no need for long opinion reiterating what many courts have said in the past).

At the same time -- or, rather, when due - the FEC (and Obama/DNC) filed full briefs on the merits, in case the Appellate Court decides to issue a full opinion (rather than a summary affirmance).

Make sense?


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Yes, it does. Thanks.


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Response briefs have been filed by Obama and DNC.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/ ... rd-docket/

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Has everybody seen the above post? :)


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