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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:51 am 
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I have created:

  1. A special, hidden, invitation-only usergroup called "Grinols BOTGs" and,
  2. a special forum (this one) called "Grinols BOTGs ONLY".

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Anyone can see this thread, even lurkers and nonpersons. OK, maybe not lurkers, now that I checked. But we do have registered members who are birthers, hence: This is NOT a thread for exchanging cell phone numbers, meetup locations, restaurant suggestions, etc. There aren't enough people and the event isn't going to be long enough for that. As I understand it, nobody who lives outside Sacramento is even spending the night in Sacramento. So ... BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WRITE HERE.

Of course, that will be easy for now, because I still don't have a definitive list of who will be in the courtroom, so Estiveo is the only member of the group so far. The only people who can post here for now are me, Estiveo, and the greenies (Rhoda Galaxy, sadly, is no longer with us).

If you're headed for Sacramento and will be in court, please send me a PM. And you can PM each other with cell phone numbers, etc.

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Brief BOTG wrap up...

The Judge was very well versed on this case...and all of Orly's others. He let her know that. :mrgreen: he stated that each side would get 20 minutes..."but first, I have a few questions". BOTG says the questions and answers made it clear where he was headed.

TRO Denined. Written order to follow.

About 60 observers in courtroom, only three on the Obot side. Pambly kept trying to sit with Orly and the Mrshall had to remove her thrice. She then asked some folks to move so she could sit behind Orly. Marshall said "first come, first served, move along". She eventually persuaded some poor handicapped individual to shove over so she could sit in the handicapped section near Orly. Her FM brigade screamed "Traitor" and "Scumbag" at Governor Brown's attorney. Heh, classy as ever.
Lots of screeching as all her witnesses are denined by the judge. She asked to bring exhibits up, the judge said Hokay. Mr. Olsen objected, the judge said don't worry, I'll give them all the weight they deserve. :mrgreen:

She argued with the Judge each time he denined her witnesses.

O:But I flew them in at great expense...
J:Ma'am, as I wrote (in an email? an order? not sure) last night, no witnesses allowed.
O:But..but..but..screech
J:I told you last night.

Our BOTG took heed of MikeDunford's advice and stifled laughter, and watched the Marshall do the same several times.

Full BOTG report in about 2hours.

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Bump. Be sure to tune in to RC Radio, link at the top of this page.

In 48 minutes, I mean!

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I just returned from Sacramento. Kate's synopsis is correct.

I'm listening to BTR right now, but I think everyone will be better off if I write the summary now, while it is still fresh in my mind.

But, yeah, the judge knew Taitz's bullshit, and was not amused. He made it clear he was in charge of the courtroom, and wasn't going let Taitz run the show. The AUSA was also very familiar with who the plaintiffs were.

You could tell the judge was not pleased with Taitz, and there were moments where he could have warned her or have threatened sanctions, but did not. Still, it was clear the judge is no fan of Taitz, and she would be wise to dismiss before the defendants file an answer.

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To answer Foggy's/RC's query: No talk about the subpoenas.

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As noted in the newspaper article, the courtroom was packed. The gallery held approximately 60 people, and the 16-person jury box (on the left) was full of law clerks, attorneys, and others obviously in the biz. The vast majority of the audience was full of white people in their 50s or 60s, but there were a few people I would peg at early 40s (one of whom was black). The gallery members talked in person just like they do on Internet: full of fear and rumor mongering. The courtroom itself was fairly new, with lots of bright wood; a bit too IKEA for my tastes. Four marshals in the courtroom.

Taitz was, surprisingly, about 10 minutes early. She promptly sat at the wrong table (on the right), until the defense attorneys came in and told her where to sit. Taitz wore her lawyer suit: Black pinstripe jacket and pants, black top, pearl necklace, too much eye make-up. (Couldn't see her shoes.) Taitz worked the crowd: smiling, shaking hands, seeing who she recognized. The government lawyers dressed as expected: Olsen, the AUSA, wore a grey suit, blue dress shirt, and striped tie (he was also in a wheelchair); Water, the DAG, wore a black suit, white dress shirt, and patterned tie. (There was a third, unidentified attorney with the government attorneys.) Barnett arrived soon thereafter (black slacks, checkered sweater). Noonan arrives (big guy in his 70s, uses a cane) and was escorted past the bar to counsel table. Taitz starts to review her big, thick binder.

After the judge enters and the case is called, the first thing the judge says, "This is a direct order: No cell phones or recording devices." It is clear the judge is setting the tone: I am in charge.

First funny Taitz-ism: She's unsure whether to stand or sit when addressing the court. She says, "I was told to sit."

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The judge starts by listing what Taitz wants: TRO, declaratory relief, injunctive relief, mandamus, and a stay of the certification. And notes the Dec. 20 filing wanted to stay the inauguration. The court also notes the votes were certified on December 17th,suggesting the filing on the 20th was too late.

Taitz responded she filed on the 13th, and sought a TRO. Taitz explained it the first TRO request was denied by the duty judge, but extended the deadline to refile to the 21st. So she was just following the duty judge's order.

The judge explains we're here for "emergency" injunctive relief, and explains the standard (likelihood of success on the merits, irreparable harm, injury to other parties, public interest). Today is not about the complaint, just the injunctive relief, keeping in mind the Congress was going to certify the votes tomorrow. The judge explains a grant of injunctive relief does not mean an eventual success on the merits (or vice versa). But the judge is making it clear he knows this case, who Taitz is, etc.

The judge explains he allowed the hearing "in an abundance of caution," and cited FRCP 78 and LR 230, noting oral argument (and the presentation of witnesses) is in the court's discretion, and that he could have ruled on the papers. So the judge is basically doing the plaintiffs a favor. Again, the judge is making clear he runs the courtroom.

The judge says he has some questions for the plaintiffs, including questions about the complaint's allegations, and the method of service. And then makes it clear once we start, each side gets 20 minutes, total.

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Taitz explains she wants to stay tomorrow's certification and the inauguration. And she has an out-of-state witness! Taitz starts up with law enforcement affidavits, forged IDs, etc. until the judge cuts her off, saying, "I get it."

Taitz shifts gears and explains she sued Obama as a candidate, the AUSA is representing the federal government, and Obama has never appeared in this case. At this point, the judge is already looking away in disgust.

Taitz makes a motion to strike (the government's appearance?). "Denied," says the judge. The judge, seeing he's about to get bogged down in a can of worms, says the federal government's role is that of "courtesy representation." The AUSA explains it is unclear in what manner Obama was being sued, and notes Obama (as an individual) has not been properly served. The judge readily agrees, citing FRCP 4, and adds "FedEx is not registered or certified mail." Taitz repeatedly stressed Obama was served by a "professional process server," as if a professional server cures all.

The judge notes the court has no proof of service, stressing it should have received proof of service, and that Taitz had 1-2 weeks to complete this task. Taitz audibly sighs.

Taitz explains she paid over $500 for professional service, and, as an officer of the court, swears "under penalty of perjury" that Obama was served. The judge responds, "As an attorney, you should be aware your representations mean nothing." Taitz retorts, "My swearing is sufficient" because she's not a party. Judge: "Denied." The AUSA adds: "We're not conceding jurisdiction."

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The judge asks point blank, "What's the court's jurisdiction?" Taitz responds there's a federal question.

The judge asks, "Under Article III?" Taitz explains there are Californian plaintiffs and Californian defendants. Therefore: Jurisdiction!

The judge asks, "What is the case or controversy?"" Taitz launches into her rant: forgery, fake names, etc. before the judge cuts her off and says there's no evidence to support her allegations.

The judge then explains the U.S. Constitution does not require any showing by the president. (An audience member audibly exclaims, "Bullshit!") Taitz concedes the U.S. Constitution does not require any showing(!).

The judge explains Taitz's allegations are irrelevant, and that Hawaii has certified Obama's birth. "Absolutely not!" Taitz retorts. The judge asked who is making these claims of forgery. Taitz: "Sheriff Joe Arpaio!" The judge: "Stop."

Taitz explains Arpaio has 50 years in law enforcement. The judge explains the court's role is that of a gatekeeper; it can't let just anyone say, "I'm an expert." "50 years does not necessarily make anyone an expert." Daubert, expert voir dire, etc. is referenced.

The judge states there is no case or controversy here, or in the prior 13 cases. The judge is telegraphing he knows exactly who Taitz is.

Taitz argues the U.S. Constitution does not require the president have a pulse, brain activity, etc., but "common sense" tells us such things are required. And her "Coastal Guard" expert's declaration shows he didn't properly register with the Selective Service, and every employee of the executive branch must register. Taitz launches into tax returns, Social Security numbers, eVerify, etc. The judge is just looking down and cuts her off with "Case or controversy."

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The AUSA explains there's no competitive standing, noting none of the plaintiffs were on any ballots. The AUSA notes Noonan was not his party's nominee, MacLeran did not allege his party affiliation, and Judd is a federal prisoner. (For fun, the AUSA noted MacLeran's website is "OPOVV -- One Pissed Off Vietnam Vet." He said it in open court!) And Grinols failed to allege in which state he was an elector, or for which party. And added Grinols' standing is derivative of the candidate's. But the AUSA is making clear he knows who the plaintiffs are.

The AUSA explains the challengers in Fulani v. Hogsett (from the 7th Circuit) were candidates on the ballot. They were legitimate candidates, and therefore entitled to competitive standing, unlike these plaintiffs.

Taitz explains she represented Keyes during the past election, and in that case the district court and the 9th Circuit both ruled minor candidates have standing. [Taitz is overlooking that Keyes was actually on the ballot, unlike these plaintiffs.]

Taitz then asks, "Why do we have electors? Why not have robots? It is because they can see the treason."

The judge: "Treason??!" Taitz launches into Hawaiian officials forging documents. "Flagrant forgery."

Taitz then notes the Social Security Administrator is in default in the Mississippi case. The judge, again, is just looking down. Taitz launches into Indonesian citizenship, forged IDs, etc. And that Romney came in second due to fraud.

Prompting the bon mot: "What part of second place don't you understand? Even if California's 55 electoral votes are set aside, Obama would be president." So Taitz explains that is why she's suing Congress and Obama.

Taitz: "Why would you (the judge) let this happen?" Judge: "Why do you keep filing these lawsuits?" Taitz: "We need one honest judge."

The judge literally facepalms.

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Taitz explains none of the previous cases were decided on the merits, and were based on primary challenges (citing Georgia and Florida). Taitz namechecks Voeltz, which I'm sure went over the judge's head.

The judge was about to explain now it is too late to file a challenge and Taitz starts to interrupt, prompting "DON'T OVERTALK ME."

The judge explains votes have been counted and certified. And the judicial branch cannot interfere with what the U.S. Constitution has ascribed to the legislative branch. Meaning:
1) This cases is "totally inappropriate"; and
2) There's no jurisdiction.

The judge explains the purpose of a TRO is to maintain the status quo, and Taitz is asking to upset that. Obama has been the president for four years, and Taitz wants to turn things "upside down," which isn't preserving the status quo.

[Aside: I think the judge is not quite right here. The status quo presently has the certifications sent to DC, but Congress has not certified the votes yet.]

Taitz: "I have standing." Taitz explains she sued candidate Obama, who is not yet the president-elect, and is not the president until he takes the oath of office on the 20th.

Judge: "Obama is the president." Taitz: "Based on what?" Judge: "The 2008 election. Your argument makes no sense. Who is residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?"

Taitz: "Then why do we have a swearing in?" which prompts a roll of the eyes from the judge. Taitz launches into a rant about he wasn't a candidate until nominated by the party, etc.

Which prompts this legal bomb from the judge: "What about the Speech and Debate Clause?" And causes a slight pause in the proceedings.

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The AUSA fills the silence with "It is hard to respond because there has been no legal arguments."

The judge explains he allowing the proceedings to go forward so the plaintiffs can be fully heard, but he's not impressed thus far, saying the plaintiffs are "very unlikely to succeed." And references the prior "13-14 others cases" that didn't succeed. The judge notes he's read "all" of the articles about this case, and watched Taitz's DVD(!). And knows that Taitz has been sanctioned $20,000 by another judge, a sanction upheld on appeal. "I'm well aware of the reasons and basis" for the sanction. This judge knows Taitz's reputation.

At this point, we're well past 20 minutes. So I'm surprised that the judge announces now is when Taitz's 20 minutes start. (The above was all prologue.) Taitz does not reserve time for rebuttal.

Taitz starts with references to the struggles of Thurgood Marshall and Susan B. Anthony. "We're stalking (talking?) treason." References to the Equal Protection Clause, the 14th Amendment. "Looking for one honest judge" to order the production of documents (Hawaii's don't count). Electors are special, and do have standing. The judge is, once again, just looking down. Grinols is part of the "group" that was denied his rightful place due to fraud, forgery, etc.

Taitz calls Barnett as a witness. Judge: "Denied." Again, the judge is making it clear he's in control. NO WITNESSES.

Taitz complains the courtroom deputy said witnesses were allowed. And that a lot on money was paid to fly a witness from Florida. "We have written confirmation of allowance of witnesses!"

Judge: "What is your offer of proof?"

(I'm surprised Taitz got this one): Irey has national security experience, expertise in forgery, etc.

The AUSA prompts, "The court's order is clear: 20 minutes for legal arguments."

Judge: "THAT'S WHY I ISSUED THE ORDER. SO THERE WOULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING. DENIED." The judge explains he doesn't know anything about this witness, his qualifications, etc. "You can use this time to talk about witnesses, or you can move on."

Taitz: "[The courtroom deputy] said..."

Judge: "I'M THE JUDGE. I ISSUED THE ORDER. 20 MINUTES FOR ORAL ARGUMENT."

Taitz: "[The courtroom deputy] said 20 minutes for oral arguments and witnesses." Notes the AUSA asked her about the witnesses (implying concession that witnesses were allowed).

The judge then literally reads word-for-word docket item number 47 (the order about the hearing). "THAT IS THE ORDER."

Taitz: When I received that order, Irey was already in flight, I relied on your deputy's e-mail.

AUSA: "No reasonable person" would read the court's order any other way.

Judge: "I've read [the deputy's] e-mail."

Taitz's pitch is really rising, and her cadence is faster: "I relied on [the deputy]. 100% probability of winning. This witness has 57 years experience and was admitted as an expert in Indiana! He has huge posters! This is a sloppy forgery! There are 100 people in the audience who want the truth and are fed up with the courts." Barnett has passport records showing not legal names, stolen Social Security numbers, forgery, etc. The Chief Investigator for the Coast Guard can prove selective service forgery. "Evidence is being swept under the rug by judge after judge." Taitz demands declaratory judgment, discovery. Launches into the Georgia hearing about Obama blew off those subpoenas but she couldn't compel discovery because it was only an administrative hearing. "It is time! We're waiting for one judge" to grant a motion to compel. And then asks, "Can I show the exhibits?"

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The judge explains he issued the order to clarify there would be no witnesses. But allows the "exhibits" as part of the oral argument.

AUSA protests: These "exhibits" are based on "expert" testimony, but there's been no notice of who these witnesses are, no CV, etc.

Judge: "I will give it its entitled weight." I think everyone (except perhaps Taitz) understood the judge's subtext, i.e., no weight.

Taitz whips out Irey's "enlarged exhibits." Requests a continuance for further argument about the exhibits. (I can't see the poster, but it is one of the birth certificates.) Taitz notes the differences in the letters. "Look at the 'n.' Look at the 'e.' You don't need to be an expert. COMMON SENSE tells you it is a forgery. It is impossible to have completely different letters. 100% chance of winning." Needless to say, the judge is not impressed.

Taitz whips out another exhibit. "White halo. It is impossible to have halos." Therefore this was a computer manipulation and a forgery. Don't need an expert.

Taitz whips out the Nordyke birth certificate. "Total inconsistency with numbers. Out of sequence." Different registrars.

Taitz starts to reference Arpaio's affidavit. "One year investigating. Altered documents."

Taitz then launches into California's 1.5 million invalid voters, her run for U.S. Senate, etc.

Judge: "30 SECONDS."

Taitz rushes to finish about Bowen, affidavits, etc.

Judge: "TIME'S UP."

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The AUSA starts off by noting these aren't experts under FRE 702 or Daubert. "I don't know who they are", etc. Notes Irey is not a certified document examiner. Moves to strike Taitz's "testimony." AUSA notes there's been no demonstration that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

The DAG speaks! The vote was certified in due course. This case is moot as to the state. (The DAG said very little during the entire hearing, other than to stress the case was moot as to the state.)

[Needless to say, defendants did not use their full 20 minutes.]

The judge explains it allowed Taitz to speak as not to be a "corrupt judge" and to let her argue to an "honest judge." [The judge is clearly referencing Taitz's accusations against all other prior judges. I don't know why he bothered; at this point the gallery knows what is coming; this judge is corrupt as all others.] The judge reiterates there's no jurisdiction and no standing. The judge says the "only credible evidence" is Hawaii's certification that Obama was born in Hawaii. Irey and Arpaio are not experts. The judge then ruminates on why Arpaio has taken it upon himself to conduct this investigation.

There is "absolutely no way" this case will win on the merits. TRO DENIED. Written order to follow.

"Gavel to gavel" was a bit over an hour.

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As the gallery is exiting, an audience member loudly proclaims, "MOCKERY!"

Taitz is working the crowd. Sad eyes, weak smile. Barnett also has sads.

Taitz exits the courtroom and the crowd erupts into applause and chants of "ORLY! ORLY! ORLY!"

Outside of the courthouse, the "press conference" starts to a crowd of about 30. (More applause and "Orly!" chants.) An older man in a hat (I assume William Waggoner) sets up his camera RIGHT BY THE BUSY STREET. The microphone is attached to the camera, SO NO ONE CAN HEAR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TRAFFIC. If Waggoner releases the video, we might know what was said.


I will sign off now, so other BOTGs can give their perspective. I have intentionally omitted some legally insubstantial but juicy details.

(Apologies for bad writing, etc.; trying to transcribe as fast as possible. I tried to be as accurate as possible with quotations, but they are still likely rough approximations. I'm not a SECR.)

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Cross-posting Estiveo's great report:
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After bob, comes the INAL report:

Hokay, so the fashion report first. Orly was in a black lawyer suit; matching black jacket and slacks with a charcoal pinstripe, black turtleneck, pearls and clunky black shoes with a +/- 2” heel. Her hair was neat; her tarantulas were in place and well behaved.

Noonan was the only defendant present. He looked like a cross between Ed Hale and Wilfred Brimley. Hanes sans-a-belt type slacks, short-sleeved white shirt with thin blue stripes, buttons straining over ample belly and suspenders. As a former safety manager, I would like to point out that should one of those suspenders ever suffer catastrophic failure? Yeah, somebody’s gonna lose an eye.

When we got to the 14th floor, there about 40 FMs gathered outside the courtroom. Kind of a mix; I recognized some from film of other birther gatherings, but none by name.

The marshals let us in to the court room, and it ended up being an overflow crowd. Several people wearing ID badges (federal employees? Press? Both? I dunno) ended up moving from the gallery to the jury box, prompting the two FMs in front of me to be amazed that this was a jury trial!!! Morons.

Pambly and Irey, carrying the enlarged ‘zibits, arrive almost late. They want to sit with Orly and Noonan at the plaintiff table, but US Marshal sez “No, you can’t haz,” so then they want the marshal to move two people so that they can sit behind Orly. That went over well with the marshal. They leave the ‘zibits leaning against the railing behind Orly; Irey goes to the back somewhere and Pambly boots an elderly man from the nearest handicapped seating so she can sit as near as possible to Orly. After all, she’s going to be a disabled black army witless or something!

All rise, here comes the judge!

Judge calls for appearances, Taitz for all plaintiffs, Mr. Olsen for the federal defendants, Mr. Waters for the state defendants.

Judge explains the facts of this hearing, what plaintiffs want, that it’s a TRO and emergency injunctive relief, not a hearing on the merits, that the whole thing is about standing, jurisdiction, injury to the plaintiffs, injury to the public, likelihood of success in the case going forward...and he has some questions before hearing oral arguments, which will be limited to 20 minutes each, manage yer time hows ya wants when ya gets it. He also pointed out that this hearing was due to an abundance of caution, that both federal and local rules allow him to rule on the briefs, but he’s chosen this path.

Judge asks if counsel have any questions.

Orly goes of on some rant about it’s not just a TRO against the state of CA, the Electoral College and Congress; she wants to make sure the judge understand that she also wants BHO prohibited from taking the Oath of Office, until, essentially, she wins and the is to be frog marching. She screeched and blathered for quite a bit. The FMs nodded their heads like they were at a revival meeting.

Judge gets the most wonderful WTF look on his face that I have ever seen and tells Orly, that he knows what this case is about and doesn’t rally need some bleach blond bimbo in a fright wig to clue him in. I paraphrase, of course.

First thing the judge asks Taitz is why she was late to file? You filed on the 20th but the 13th was the deadline.

Orly screeched and said she was promised by magistrate judge who denied her original 13th filing of TRO that she could file timely be the 20th. Also, too, Mr. Olsen claims to represent BHO, but she served him as private citizen, not Gov’t employee, so Mr. Olsen is not properly here and so his response should be stricken because he’s big fraudulent poopyhead!

Denined! sayeth the judge.

Orly: “but, but, but...”

Olsen then points out that, in fact, no federal defendant has ever been properly served in this case. He, himself, is here out of an abundance of caution, but, really, where is the proof of service? there is none. Mr. Waters points out that the same is true for the state defendants and points out that, as to the state, the whole shebang is moot anyway.

Orly: “but, but but...”

The judge actually rolled his eyes at Orly. That’s where he became my favorite judge EVAR.

The judge pointed out to Orly that FedEx does not an effective service make. Orly countered by saying that she hired a professional process server and that proof of service would be in front of the court any day now.

The judge sed, “But it’s not in front of me now. Where’s your proof of service? there is nothing before this court to prove you properly served defendants. Any of them. At all. FAIL!” (I did mention that I was paraphrasing, right?)

Orly: “Your Honor, I am to being officer of the court, I would not lie, I am to be swear under penalty of perjury that I really truly for real served all the defendants. Honest. To be trusting me.”
Judge: “Ms Taitz, without actual proof before this court, your swearing under penalty of perjury and about 30 bucks might reimburse Estiveo over there for the coffee and sammiches he bought for him and his mom, plus the ridiculous and draconian parking fees he had to pay just be here to watch you flail about ineffectively, but in this court it means nothing!” (yeah, he said something like that)

Orly: “My word is enough.”
Judge: “No, it’s not.”

Then the judge went on to jurisdiction. Orly screeched about stuff and honestly, I started to be distracted by some FMs that seemed to be arguing in whispers in front of me.

Then the judge questioned Orly about cause and controversy. Orly went into the usual rant about fraud, soebarkah, SSN, selective service, forgery...

Judge: “Irrelevant! The state of Hawaii confirms BHO born there!”

Orly screeches again about forgery, invokes Arpaio.

Judge tells her to stop and invokes Daubert (sp?) regarding expert testimony. Just calling someone an expert doesn’t make them an expert.

Orly screeches again about how BHO couldn’t be a janitor with his fraudulent papers, screeches about soebarkah again.

At about this point the FM seated in front of me gets up and walks out muttering about this is going nowhere. I am glad for the metal detectors down stairs.

As Orly pauses for breath mid screech, Olsen interjects regarding standing and invokes what sounded to me like Falani v. Husted (?) out of Indiana, defining standing and Orly’s plaintiffs don’t got it.

Orly counters with Keyes v. Obama which proves that she and her puppets absolutely do have standing. Then she goes off on a rant about about that one honest judge, and sweeping under rugs, and corruption and, and, and...Treason.

Judge, with an even better WTF look on his face: “Treason?”

Orly goes off into another screech about Astrue being in default, Indonesian school records, treason, Romney came in second and...

Judge: “What part of coming second don’t you get?”

Orly: Screech!
The judge then asked Orly why, after 13 failed cases, she keeps filing more lawsuits putting forth the same discredited theories.

Orly goes off on a long rant about having a clear conscious while the judge puts his face in his hands and starts rubbing his face and head like he just wishes that he’d gone for a degree in architecture.

Orly wraps up with a rant on how in all the other cases the judges told her she was too early and the judge interjects with, “And now you’re too late.”

Judge ends his questioning of the moonbat and explains about TROs; how they are to maintain the status quo, but what plaintiffs want would actually upset the status quo. Tells Orly that her argument is upside-down and late.

He tells Orly, “You make no sense.”

Orly: Screech! Wah!

The judge rolled his eyes again and said, “it’s for Congress to decide” and mentions the speech and debate clause (new one to me)

Asks opposing counsel if the have any response before he gives each side their 20 minutes of oral argument.

Mr. Olsen points out that Orly, so far, has offered no legal arguments, just jargon and platitudes.

The judge gives Orly 20 minutes from when she starts speaking, and...GO!

Orly immediately compares herself to Thurgood Marshal, then to Susan B. Anthony, how she, like them, fights for civil rights despite being thwarted by dishonest, corrupt judges, how for 5 years she and her supporters have searched for One Honest Judge who won’t commit treason and sweep all their evidence under the rug, blah, blah, blah... I NOW CALL ARMY INTELLIGENCE OFFICER PAMBLY BARNETT TO THE STAND TO...

Judge: Denined.

Orly: Screech! I was told by your major domo that I could call witlesses!

Judge: And I issued an order yesterday that you couldn’t.

Orly: Then I call forgery expert Irey to the...

Judge: Denined!

OT: Sceech! I spent a bazillion of Yosi’s monies to pay for Irey to fly here and lounge in hotel room with mini-bar! And I am paying Pambly mileage to cart his withered old ass around Sacratomato! Screech! ( that there is watcha call poetic license, folks.)

Orly: But some woman with laryngitis e-mailed me and said...

Judge: Who runs this courtroom?

Orly: But I have an e-mail from...

At this point I notice that a US Marshal near the bench is almost crying as he tries not to laugh. Of the two others that I can see, one is looking highly amused and the other is so stoic that you just know that he’s close to losing it.

Judge: Again, who runs this courtroom? I do. The reason I sent the order yesterday was to clarify on my clerks e-mail. No, witnesses, oral argument only and you have about 10 minutes left.

At about this point two rows in front of me an FM stands up. Just stands up. The judge looks at him for a beat, the guy just stands there and the judge orders him to sit down, which he does. (When leaving the court room after the hearing I heard another FM ask if he stood hoping to speak, and the stander said that he was just standing to show support for Dr. Taitz.)

Orly continues her rant, BHO shows contempt by not obeying her subpoenas, Arpaio has a daffydavit, 5 years waiting for one honest judge, treason SCREECH!

Then, since the judge won’t let Irey testify, she asks to show her enlarged ‘zibits her own self. Mr. Olsen starts to object, but the judge, with what I would call a wry smile, tells Mr. Olsen that he will give the ‘zibits all the consideration that they are due, while reminding Orly that her 20 minutes are still ticking.

Orly stammers her way through the ‘zibits, then starts in with the Arpaio daffydavit.

Judge: 30 seconds

Orly: Um, uh, Bowen, I have DVD of voter registrations and, um, I was to being a candidate and, uh...

Judge: Time’s up, beyatch!

End result, the judge denied the TRO and Emergency Injunction for a pony or whatever. He also pointed out that the ONLY credible piece of evidence before the court was the letter from Mr. Onaka confirming that the BC was real and true and conformed with the original held in the vault under control of the illuminati. So there.

He also addressed the whole likelihood of success thing, going forward, and told Orly that if this was all she had? Yeah, not gonna succeed. My guess is that the inevitable motion to dismiss for lack of sanity will be granted.

One last note: after the hearing, as we were walking to the elevators, we heard the FMs still milling outside the court room start shouting things like, “Traitor, Scumbag! You’re guilty of treason!” stuff like that. I turned around to see what was going on, and the FMs were yelling at Mr. Waters, the CA Dep. AG. So I took a few steps back, held out my hand and told him that some of us thought he did a good job and thanked him. Got a handshake a smile and thanks back.

The end.

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Good Observer has given a debriefing on return from Sacramento (and some complaints about Amtrak's ticket machines). Bob's account was very thorough. It was an intense, exhausting 70-75 minutes with O'rly doing most of the talking, speaking with a higher pitch, increased volume and speed as she went on. She was intent on getting in as many of the standard smears as possible in her 20 minutes. She became quite breathless as she was wrestling with the large exhibits and exclaiming how ANYONE could see with the naked eyes how it was a forgery...no need to be an expert [then why have one flown from Florida?]. ANYONE could see the different kinds of letters from different typewriters and EVERYONE knows that's IMPOSSIBLE in a legitimate birth certificate. The letters have to be the same and the same size and on the same line. No expert needed to see that the Obama birth certificate was a fake. The same with the white halos around the letter. EVERYONE can see those and know that they would not be found on green security paper and was 100% proof of forgery by computer manipulation. At least the judge did not have to tell her not to address the spectators but she did twist around a lot getting the large exhibits up, holding them and trying to point and talk at the same time. When she first was given permission to show the exhibits, she had turned on a projector for a bit but abandoned the idea. She must have decided it would take to much time to get them ordered, focused and not too high and not too low.

O'rly was really stressing the 'treason' word today. There were numerous 'forgery' and 'fraud' mentions, but 'treason' was her favorite word of the day. Obama almost receded as a mere usurper as the treason charges were leveled at all those judges and officials who had allowed the usurper to keep on in spite of all the dedicated efforts of the birthers to expose his crimes. For five years, they have persisted in the search for one honest judge. If the cheers and applause that greeted TWAITHOTU as she came out of the court house are any indication, they will not be deterred by any number of denials, dismissals or smackdowns. After all, a defeat is just another opportunity to appeal.

The judge made it clear at several points in the hearing that he was not required to have a hearing at all. He was doing it to make sure that the people she pointed to in the court room as supporting her efforts would see that she had every chance to put forth her case and her arguments. There was very little for the defense counsel to say other than they had not heard any identifiable legal arguments and that they knew nothing about the alleged experts or witnesses or what they had to offer. They pointed out the defective service when asked about it. They were very close to being empty chairs. There were quite a few amused glances between spectators when the defense objected to the expert exhibits and the judge very pointedly declared more than once that he would give them the weight they deserved. And so he did give them the weight they deserved. They might as well have been in outer space.

The judge made a point of saying that the only piece of credible evidence before him was the certification of the birth certificate by the Hawai'i DOH officials. He gave no weight to any of the 'show us your papers' litany.

The written denial of the TRO will be something to look forward to if it is anything like the way he handled today's hearing.

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I have created:

  1. A special, hidden, invitation-only usergroup called "Grinols BOTGs" and,
  2. a special forum (this one) called "Grinols BOTGs ONLY".

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Anyone can see this thread, even lurkers and nonpersons. OK, maybe not lurkers, now that I checked. But we do have registered members who are birthers, hence: This is NOT a thread for exchanging cell phone numbers, meetup locations, restaurant suggestions, etc. There aren't enough people and the event isn't going to be long enough for that. As I understand it, nobody who lives outside Sacramento is even spending the night in Sacramento. So ... BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WRITE HERE.

Of course, that will be easy for now, because I still don't have a definitive list of who will be in the courtroom, so Estiveo is the only member of the group so far. The only people who can post here for now are me, Estiveo, and the greenies (Rhoda Galaxy, sadly, is no longer with us).

If you're headed for Sacramento and will be in court, please send me a PM. And you can PM each other with cell phone numbers, etc.


Umm...Foogy? Just for the record? I've never been able to see this BOTG thread unless I followed a link someone else posted. I thought, after last Thursday that it had just been merged with the regular Grinols thread, but I hit the link from Bad Fiction tonight and...I still can't see it unless I follow someone else's link. :(( What do I do to fix it? :((

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:(( What do I do to fix it? :((

We don't need it to be BOTG only any more. I'll move it to the Orly forum, and make it available for anyone to post.

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Foogy roxors!

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