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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Jerry said lots of stuff at Doc's, including he would change things, that he's willing to admit he's wrong, blah, blah, blah.

All he really did, basically at Doc's invitation, was ask for a lot of free legal advice, which he got, and apparently refused to listen to much if any of it.

He's just another braindead moronic birther, nothing more and nothing less.

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I just love the verification. The first clause doesn't make sense and the second clause makes it clear that all he has is copies from the internet.

The second exhibit say's that Obama was raised in Chicago and I guess that either proves that the author had no idea they were talking about or it is the next birther bombshell that Obama was actually raised in Chicago under his true name which has been kept secret from the world.

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Collette does a good job of reinforcing the defense's case, and even throws in some key defense quotes for the judge to consider, again.

His lawyering? Pretty birferrific. Hope he sticks to his day job - if he has one.

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I just wasted 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

That is the worst piece of trash this side of anything Orly Taitz has ever done.

He promises to coordinate his summary judgment motion with the defense (and reveal 400+ years of legal writings on natural born citizenship) if the court denies the motion to dismiss. Yeah, that's how it works. Save it for later.

He obviously didn't read anything Tes wrote.

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Q: Is Klayman supposed to be jumping in to save Jerry or is Grifter Mind all on his own?

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I just wasted 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

That is the worst piece of trash this side of anything Orly Taitz has ever done.

He promises to coordinate his summary judgment motion with the defense (and reveal 400+ years of legal writings on natural born citizenship) if the court denies the motion to dismiss. Yeah, that's how it works. Save it for later.

He obviously didn't read anything Tes wrote.


I suspect he read it. He's either a) to dumb to understand it; b) believes he's smarter than any experienced litigation attorney cuz.. he's super paralegal who worked for disgraced Roni Deutch, who had the highest of praise for his work. Now that's a recommendation!! ](*,)

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"For twenty years, I owned the largest law firm of it's kind in the United States which means I have worked with some of the brightest lawyers and paralegals in the legal industry. The smartest paralegal that I have ever had the privilege of working with over the past twenty years is, hands down, Jerry Collette.

"Jerry is a brilliant legal strategist who understands all sides of the issues. His ability to communicate ideas, opinions and strategies in an understandable manner is truly amazing. He is also extremely quick at understanding the core legal issues and always has excellent suggestions and recommendations on how to resolve them, no matter the level of complexity. I highly recommend that anyone in need of a legal genius immediately hire Jerry Collette."

—Roni Deutch, Retired :P California Attorney, Author, Television Personality, and Film Maker.


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If Deutch is found in contempt, she faces up to five days in prison and $1,000 in fees for every count of the more than one hundred contempt charges alleged by the State of California.


I didn't follow up on what happened with the contempt charges, but the connection between she and Jerry is just too comical. You just can't make this shit up. :lol:

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He obviously didn't read anything Tes wrote.


I suspect he read it. He's either a) to dumb to understand it; b) believes he's smarter than any experienced litigation attorney cuz.. he's super paralegal who worked for disgraced Roni Deutch, who had the highest of praise for his work. Now that's a recommendation!!


It's been posted before, but I still think this scene from "A Fish Called Wanda" sums up the birthers better than anything.


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It's been posted before, but I still think this scene from "A Fish Called Wanda" sums up the birthers better than anything.

I'd not seen it posted here before, but I'm =)) . Perfect!

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He obviously didn't read anything Tes wrote.

He read it. But then he argued with her about it. Jerry didn't really want any help. I think he was just trying to show off how smart and articulate and clever he is. It's a waste of time interacting with these morans.


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Remember that Jerry Collette will be my guest this evening on Reality Check Radio at 9 PM EDT.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rcr/2012/06/20/rc-radio

Have you talked with him? Do you think he'll show?

Or will he wimp out and then run post that he punked RCR and The Fogbow?

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We should make sure Tes has your number, RC. :mrgreen: She might have a few questions for the man.

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I think Collette will show. He gave me a number to call in case he gets disconnected. That would be super if Tes called! Or how about :geezer: ?

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I think Collette will show. He gave me a number to call in case he gets disconnected. That would be super if Tes called! Or how about :geezer: ?


Allison would be nice too also.

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What is a "verfied" opposition as compared to what?


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A "verified" paper, typically a pleading, is accompanied by a sworn statement, usually by the party, affirming that the factual matter set forth in the paper is true. A verified paper can serve double duty as an affidavit and so can (in some circumstances) be treated as evidence and substitute for oral testimony, especially in proceedings designed to be concluded quickly.

On the other hand, in New York state, any ordinary complaint can be verified, which requires the answer to be verified as well. For the most part it's of no practical consequence whatsoever. I can't think of any practical reason why papers in connection with a motion to dismiss should be verified, except as an unwieldy tool for enforcing minimal standards of professional practice.

The reasons why some papers are required to be verified and others aren't is buried in the history of civil procedure for the state in question. Special proceedings, called "writ practice" in some states, often require verification, as do historically equitable proceedings.


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Using the "verified" route...can that open Collette up to Perjury?

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Sorry for not asking sooner but if you have any questions for Jerry Collette just post them here and I will try to ask them.

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How is Roni Deutch doing?

Where did he get his paralegal training?

Is this the first case he has litigated pro per?

Has he ever talked to Orly Taitz?

What is his ultimate goal in the current litigation?

What does he think of Chief Justice Fuller's dissent in Wong Kim Ark, which states that the decision makes people like Wong eligible to run for President?

Why doesn't he respect the votes of 69 million of his fellow citizens?

:geezer:

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Using the "verified" route...can that open Collette up to Perjury?


No. Never.

At one time, possibly centuries ago, it might have made sense to assume that a plaintiff (or petitioner) had personal knowledge of all of the relevant facts. Since this is almost never true, verifications typically are phrased to the effect that the contents are based on personal knowledge, plus information that the signer believes to be true. In other words, that the paper isn't a complete opium eater's made-up fantasy. Since the difference between a complete made-up fantasy and a mostly made-up fantasy isn't usually worth investigating, verifications have no practical significance whatsoever. When a verification is signed by a party's attorney, there's usually no possibility that it's based on anything other than "information."

If you were silly enough to sign a verification affirming that with your little eyes you saw President Obama's grandmother pull a pistol and force someone to forge a birth certificate, there might be a theoretical possibility of criminal sanctions -- except that the custom of treating verifications as documents of no consequence would prevail.


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Great questions Stern. I feel great because I had at least three of those but not as succinctly worded as you had them. Here is one of mine:

You filed this as a tort claim. What injury has candidate Obama caused that you could not avoid by voting for someone else?

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Can the courts consider the case "on the merits" or "seriously examine 400+ years of legal history" without agreeing with you? If so, what would such a decision look like?

Edit: wording...

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ORYR: Another Florida Obama Ballot Challenge Court Hearing Scheduled for July 10, 2012
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Also on June 18th, the response to dismiss on one of those cases was filed. So, on July 10, 2012, at 3:30 pm, Florida Circuit Court Judge Stanley Mills will conduct a hearing on motions to dismiss on behalf of the defendants, Barack Obama and the State Executive Committee of the Florida Democratic Party. The hearing will be held at the West Pasco Judicial Center, in New Port Richey, FL.

The plaintiff in this case is Jerry Collette, a paralegal and the creator of the “Do It Yourself Ballot Challenge Kit.” Collette’s creation can be used by citizens who want to start actions against candidates not eligible to be on the Florida ballot. The organization’s goal is to have several cases filed in the various Florida Judicial Districts. The Pasco County suit is a different from the Mike Voeltz case in Tallahassee, and brought to the court under a different legal theory. Voeltz brought his case under the election code, whereas Collette has filed his case as a common law tort action. Collette is handling his case himself. Jerry Collette commented on his involvement in the case “As a paralegal, I follow legal cases in the same way other people follow celebrities or sports. I have been following the eligibility issue since it was first raised in 2008, but did not get involved. In February 2012, when an administrative hearing was scheduled on the subject in Georgia, I was very excited that it was finally going to be litigated. When I saw how the administrative judge did a sideshow, rather than allowing the plaintiffs to really get the evidence from Hawaii, I decided to see how I could help. I looked into various possible strategies, and came up with a tort approach.”

Judge Mills, in a previous election related case, ordered documentation produced. Collette is hoping the judge will take a similar approach in this case, and order Obama to provide Collette access to inspection of the original government and hospital birth records, which Obama claims exist in Hawaii. Collette is asking court to keep Obama’s name off the Florida ballot if the court does not find him eligible.

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The defendants are also claiming that Collette cannot bring this type of claim in a Florida court. Collette responded by citing Article 1, Section 21, of the Florida Constitution, which says that Florida courts are open to “every person” to resolve “any injury.” Collette humorously said, “I swear that I am in the class of ‘every person’ and that the injuries I am asking the court to remedy are within the category of ‘any injury’.”

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...I guess I'm just wondering at what point these judges will lose patience with this crap and say "ENOUGH !!"...


When I get really frustrated, I have to remind myself that the right to go to court IS a Constitutional right, and that taking that right away from someone - or even severely limiting it - is an extraordinary measure and can't be something we take or do lightly. Doesn't always help much, but it helps some... :)

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