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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:25 am 
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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICAL CIRCUIT,
IN AND FOR PASCO COUNTY, FLORIDA

CASE NO. 51-2012-CA-2041-WS
CIVIL DIVISION


JERRY COLLETTE,
Plaintiff,

v.

BARACK OBAMA,
STATE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF
THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
and DOES 1 THROUGH 1000, INCLUSIVE,
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One Thousand Does!

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FL - COLLETTE - COMPLAINT

FL - COLLETTE - DEFENDANT MEMBERS OF THE STATE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S MOTION TO DISMISS COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 1.140(B)

FL - COLLETTE - FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT

FL - COLLETTE - DEFENDANT FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S MOTION TO DISMISS FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 1.140(B)

FL - COLLETTE - DEFENDANT BARACK OBAMA'S MOTION TO DISMISS FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 1.140(B)

h/t to RC for the MTDs :-bd

I "think" I have the Amended Complaint somewhere, or can find it. If so I'll post it.

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and DOES 1 THROUGH 1000, INCLUSIVE,
Defendants.


It's nice there are unwritten pleading rules that apparently require nutjobs to announce "I Am A Nutjob" by including captions like this.

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Unredacted SSNs in the complaint, that will go down well with the Court.

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Unredacted SSNs in the complaint, that will go down well with the Court.


Well, that. But the original Complaint is no longer operative. Collette filed an Amended Complaint, which I do not at this time have posted.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
realist wrote:
and DOES 1 THROUGH 1000, INCLUSIVE,
Defendants.

It's nice there are unwritten pleading rules that apparently require nutjobs to announce "I Am A Nutjob" by including captions like this.

God forbid it be read as only 999. That 1 guilty Doe would get off!

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Stupid questions ...

For cases like this, where you have idiots filing this garbage pro se, is the Court allowed to award damages to the defendants? This fool seems well-versed in birther talking points, so I have to believe he is well aware of the outcomes of all the other cases. Yet here he is, attempting to use the exact same arguments that have been shot down time and again. Could he be ordered to pay the defendants' attorney fees, fined or otherwise punished for wasting the Court's time? Does someone have to file multiple frivolous complaints to be considered 'vexatious'?


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Doc has the First Amended Complaint

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Stupid questions ...

For cases like this, where you have idiots filing this garbage pro se, is the Court allowed to award damages to the defendants? This fool seems well-versed in birther talking points, so I have to believe he is well aware of the outcomes of all the other cases. Yet here he is, attempting to use the exact same arguments that have been shot down time and again. Could he be ordered to pay the defendants' attorney fees, fined or otherwise punished for wasting the Court's time? Does someone have to file multiple frivolous complaints to be considered 'vexatious'?


Generally, defendants are not awarded "damages." Those are a claim made by a plaintiff.

Unlike European countries, the United States also has a general rule, reasonably called "the American rule," that litigants pay their own attorney fees. The prevailing party is often awarded "costs," which are usually things like photocopying and service of process other costs directly related to court activities.

The most usual sanction, when one party has acted frivolously, is to shift attorney's fees. Some causes of action, like civil rights claims and trademark lawsuits, have some statutory provision for shifting attorney's fees to the losing defendant (though these occasionally work the other way). Since fees are usually much higher than costs, fee-shifting provisions are usually limited to statutes where public policy is to encourage such litigation, such as civil rights cases, where the threat of litigation and having to pay fees restrains potential malefactors, and rewards the successful litigant.

Unfortunately, at least for us in this birther context, the law generally disfavors shifting attorney's fees against litigants just for being kooks. For one thing, the usual purpose is not served by such sanctions. Most of these nutjobs are penniless and couldn't pay attorney fees anyway. For another, they're insane and wouldn't be deterred in any event, because they're too nutso even to know what they're doing.

That's why some jurisdictions have "vexatious litigant" status to prevent harassment by litigants like this. It doesn't seek to deter. Such people are quite resistant to deterrence, since they're insane. It just keeps them out of the courts.

There are serious due process concerns with such statutes, and they can easily be abused to deprive unpopular people from seeking redress in the courts. I share those concerns. Even though I do think there needs to be a way to prevent public resources from being wasted on nonsense, I think it should (usually) be on a case by case basis.

Edit: And as to the final question, yes, generally to be considered a vexatious litigant, and to be deprived of the right to seek redress in a court of law forever, one must do more than merely make a single frivolous filing in one's lifetime. The "vexatious" element of the offense generally requires that the misbehavior be habitual.

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Thanks, Loh.

I guess I'm just wondering at what point these judges will lose patience with this crap and say "ENOUGH !!"

I'd make a terrible judge. I'd have smacked 'em with my gavel years ago.


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Remember the quote from Collette at Doc's where he was bragging that he did not sue the Florida officials and that was his winning strategy? I think the defendants noticed that:

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Motion to Dismiss for Failure to Join Indispensible Parties

6. Defendant FDP moves to dismiss the amended complaint for failure to join indispensible parties on the ground that the Governor of the State of Florida and the Department of State are each indispensible parties to this action who have not been joined as party defendants.
7. The amended complaint seeks that “Defendants be enjoined from having the name of defendant Obama, as a candidate for United States President: a) Printed on ballots in Florida; or b) Listed or counted as write in candidate in Florida.” See Amended Complaint, “Prayer for Relief,” p.7.
8. Under Florida law, “[e]ach political party of the state shall be represented by a state executive committee.” See Section 103.091(1), Florida Statutes. Plaintiff has alleged that the Defendant FDP, under Florida law, plays a key role in determining who is listed as the Democratic Party candidate for President of the United States on the Florida ballot. See Amended Complaint, ¶4.
9. Section 103.021(1), Florida Statutes, provides as follows:
103.021 Nomination for presidential electors.—Candidates for presidential electors shall be nominated in the following manner:
(1) The Governor shall nominate the presidential electors of each political party. The state executive committee of each political party shall by resolution recommend candidates for presidential electors and deliver a certified copy thereof to the Governor before September 1 of each presidential election year. The Governor shall nominate only the electors recommended by the state executive committee of the respective political party. Each such elector shall be a qualified elector of the party he or she represents who has taken an oath that he or she will vote for the candidates of the party that he or she is nominated to represent. The Governor shall certify to the Department of State on or before September 1, in each presidential election year, the names of a number of electors for each political party equal to the number of senators and representatives which this state has in Congress.
(2) The names of the presidential electors shall not be printed on the general election ballot, but the names of the actual candidates for President and Vice President for whom the presidential electors will vote if elected shall be printed on the ballot in the order in which the party of which the candidate is a nominee polled the highest number of votes for Governor in the last general election.
10. Pursuant to Florida law, it is the duty of the Governor to nominate the presidential electors of each political party as recommended by the state executive committee of each political party.
11. Once certified by the Governor, it is the duty of the Department of State to include the names of the actual candidates for President and Vice-President on the general election ballot. See Section 103.021(2), Florida Statutes.
12. Thus, the Governor of the State of Florida and the Department of State are indispensible parties to this action.

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Wrongly redacted SSNs instead of unredacted, he's trying but still failing.

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Edit: And as to the final question, yes, generally to be considered a vexatious litigant, and to be deprived of the right to seek redress in a court of law forever, one must do more than merely make a single frivolous filing in one's lifetime. The "vexatious" element of the offense generally requires that the misbehavior be habitual.
btw

Googling about on this guy, I saw where he created some sort do-it-yourself ballot challenge kit that can be used in all 50 states, encouraging people to flood the courts with these insane actions in hopes that one judge will rule in their favor. Sounds pretty vexatious to me.


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Emma wrote:
Googling about on this guy, I saw where he created some sort do-it-yourself ballot challenge kit that can be used in all 50 states, encouraging people to flood the courts with these insane actions in hopes that one judge will rule in their favor. Sounds pretty vexatious to me.

Yabbut, his D-I-Y kit doesn't include instructions or sample filings for responding to a MTD. ?(

From watching the video of the press conference in Naples, it seemed he expected no response from the defendants and he'd win by default judgement. 8-)

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Looks to me like a huge faceplant for the plaintiff.


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Edit: And as to the final question, yes, generally to be considered a vexatious litigant, and to be deprived of the right to seek redress in a court of law forever, one must do more than merely make a single frivolous filing in one's lifetime. The "vexatious" element of the offense generally requires that the misbehavior be habitual.

Isn't the generally applied ruling such that the vexatious plaintiff needs to ask the court to register a complaint, eg not a general ban? That would allow such a person to still get any legitimate personal action into court.


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...I guess I'm just wondering at what point these judges will lose patience with this crap and say "ENOUGH !!"...

To be marked a vexatious plaintiff, such a person must file tens of cases in the same court to get noticed.

In Birfistan there are many plaintiffs, generally with a single action each in their respective home state and local court. That others across the country have filed similar stuff doesn't matter. Each plaintifff in their own right is not abusing the court system.

Orlena is a rather special case as she splatters single cases in many courts across the country. But in each case she only has appeared once in a specific court. Notable exceptions are her appearances in HI and in Washington DC, where she is now well known (eg to Nagamine respective Lamberth).

The IANAL question of the day from me:
Could judges get more aggressive on cases where a plaintiff is represented by an attorney. I have the case of Apuzzo (or was it Kreep?) in mind, where the attorney was admonished cause he did not keep up with recent rulings.


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Emma wrote:
...I guess I'm just wondering at what point these judges will lose patience with this crap and say "ENOUGH !!"...

To be marked a vexatious plaintiff, such a person must file tens of cases in the same court to get noticed.

In Birfistan there are many plaintiffs, generally with a single action each in their respective home state and local court. That others across the country have filed similar stuff doesn't matter. Each plaintifff in their own right is not abusing the court system.

Orlena is a rather special case as she splatters single cases in many courts across the country. But in each case she only has appeared once in a specific court. Notable exceptions are her appearances in HI and in Washington DC, where she is now well known (eg to Nagamine respective Lamberth).

The IANAL question of the day from me:
Could judges get more aggressive on cases where a plaintiff is represented by an attorney. I have the case of Apuzzo (or was it Kreep?) in mind, where the attorney was admonished cause he did not keep up with recent rulings.


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When this gets to court, it's going to be more like 1000 "Doh!"'s, amirite? :lol:

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Wow! He hit most of the birther talking points. Nice! :lol:

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Emma wrote:
...I guess I'm just wondering at what point these judges will lose patience with this crap and say "ENOUGH !!"...

To be marked a vexatious plaintiff, such a person must file tens of cases in the same court to get noticed.


In California, one of the states with a vexatious litigant statute, the number is five.

RTH10260 wrote:
Isn't the generally applied ruling such that the vexatious plaintiff needs to ask the court to register a complaint, eg not a general ban? That would allow such a person to still get any legitimate personal action into court.


Yes. Often, the ban is accompanied by a requirement that the litigant submit something in the nature of a "contempt bond," to be used to pay the legal fees of the defendant should the suit turn out to be yet another vexatious suit.

Considering that such litigants are often impoverished, however, the finding essentially precludes them from seeking relief in a court of law.

My objections to such findings are based on Justice Stevens's dissent in Martin v. District of Columbia Court of Appeals, 506 U.S. 1, 4, 121 L. Ed. 2d 305, 113 S. Ct. 397 (1992) (Stevens, J., dissenting). As Stevens did, I find myself lonely in disagreeing with the prevailing opinion.

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Doc C has published a draft of Mr. Collette's response to the MTD's. I had this but did not pass it along since it has not been filed. Here is the link: Plaintiff's Opposition in Response to MTD - Draft

As I mentioned last week Jerry Collette will be on RC Radio on Tuesday night at 9:00 PM EDT.

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Doc C has published a draft of Mr. Collette's response to the MTD's. I had this but did not pass it along since it has not been filed. Here is the link: Plaintiff's Opposition in Response to MTD - Draft

As I mentioned last week Jerry Collette will be on RC Radio on Tuesday night at 9:00 PM EDT.


Doc's article in which he posts the draft is requesting "constructive criticism" of Colette's Opposition to the the MTD. I have no idea why anyone wishes to or would offer anything but ridicule and contempt for these seditionist asshats, though perhaps the attorney who assisted Farrar in GA with wasting the court's time and resources and giving a huge boost to birtherism would be willing to assist Colette as well.

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First of all, across this country, there are still about ten pending cases on similar issues.


Sure we've lost 134 cases in a row but we still have ten pending cases. (Now that's optimism). One of them surely will "[s]eriously analyse the 400+ years of law on natural born citizenship, as it pertains to the eligibility to hold the office of president" and "[u]ltimately, make a determination on defendant Obama’s eligibility" that doesn't rely on "political expediency."

Hint Mr. Collette. The problem for you isn't that the courts aren't relying on "the facts and the law", it's because they are.

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