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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:41 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Got to love it -- now the whole of HI's documentation must be rejected! That's right, one sheriff can override the Constitution and say HI's documentation is all invalid!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/investigator ... tificates/

The lead investigator for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse – which already has found probable cause that Barack Obama’s publicly released birth certificate is a forgery – says any Hawaii documentation for Obama’s birth that exists would probably would be of little value.

Mike Zullo, a retired New Jersey detective now heading Arpaio’s volunteer investigative team, explained in an interview that at the time of Obama’s birth during the state’s early years, Hawaii birth documentation routinely was purchased by foreigners for children not born in the state.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:31 pm 
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Translation = Our "investigation" is a failure. We have no evidence which refutes Obama's narrative, so we'll just say any record from HI is just no darn good.

Millions of people will now not be citizens of either the state of HI nor the United States cuz, dickhead Mike Zullo fake cop/car salesman sez so. =)) =)) =))

And I'm certain he has proof of his claims... as usual. ;;)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:27 pm 
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Zullo said that when he was in Hawaii last month following up on leads, he talked to older locals who “informed us about a syndicate operation, a Mafia operation if you will, being run in the early infancy of the state of Hawaii where birth certificates were being sold to Japanese refugees on a black market basis.”

At that time, Japan was still undergoing post-war reconstruction while America was an established superpower.

Zullo said there was a business in Hawaii in “birth certificates … for profit.”


US Occupation of Japan ended with the signing of the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951. By 1955, Japanese industry was starting to kick in, and they were established enough as a world power to host the 1964 Summer Olympics.

Hawaii became a state in 1959.

The idea that Japan was supposedly still struggling enough for it's citizens to "fly" to Hawaii to gain US citizenship (which would NOT be a cheap trip during that time period) around the time President Obama was born is either very ignorant or extremely racist.

Not to mention that most organized crime in Hawaii tends to be linked more to the Yakuza than the Mafia.

In either case, Zullo and/or Corsi must have just pulled this out of of their anal regions, and intended for their audience to blindly accept it without doing the slightest amount of checking on the facts.

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In either case, Zullo and/or Corsi must have just pulled this out of of their anal regions, and intended for their audience to blindly accept it without doing the slightest amount of checking on the facts.


Isn't this what they always do?

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Got to love it -- now the whole of HI's documentation must be rejected! That's right, one sheriff can override the Constitution and say HI's documentation is all invalid!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/investigator ... tificates/


The headline at WND caught my attention: "Foreigners Bought Hawaii Birth Certificates." I mean, FINALLY. Zullo and Corsi introduced this idea of 'Japanese citizens getting Hawaiian birth certificates' back in their e-book, but didn't produce any evidence for it. I mean, NONE. Not even anonymous sources. They just stated it as fact, and moved on to another subject.

And then it came up again when Zullo mentioned it on Gillar's show the other day. And I thought, 'Three months later, and still no evidence.' Not even examples of the names in the birth announcements they claim to have found.

So WND finally has an article up on the subject. What's it got to offer?

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Mike Zullo, a retired New Jersey detective now heading Arpaio’s volunteer investigative team, explained in an interview that at the time of Obama’s birth during the state’s early years, Hawaii birth documentation routinely was purchased by foreigners for children not born in the state...

The births of Japanese children whose parents purchased Hawaii birth certificates also would be listed in the papers, he explained.

During that time period, Japanese parents would fly to Hawaii so their children, born in Japan, could have the benefits of American citizenship, he said.


Zullo says so.

That's it. That's the entire basis of WND's article: Zullo's word. There's no evidence in this article. No scans of the aforementioned papers. No examples of these 'purchased' documents. Not even testimony from 'moles' or anonymous informants. Heck, not even claims of RUMOR, or citations to random blog comments.

Just 'Zullo says so.'

It's all just one big circle-jerk. Corsi makes up some crap, shares it with Zullo, Zullo talks about it, and then WND reports it as news.

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So now he's a retired NJ "detective?" If it's true that he only spent 5 years with the police department, that's an unusually quick ascent to the gold shield, or it's a little bitty podunk department.


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I don't know about any Mafia connection, though there's probably some black market dealings in just about every state/county/city in the U.S. and other countries.

I do, however, remember there was a time when acceptance of HI birth certificates was problematic. It's a vague memory and I can't remember what the problems/concerns were exactly nor when it ended, but I know I've read about it here or elsewhere. I've briefly searched for an article but have not yet found it.

Anyone else remember reading/hearing about it? Have it?

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it became a D with a squiggle, in about three seconds.

My first name starts with a D as well, and my signature now is also a large D followed by the first letter of my last name and then a squiggle. I don't ever sign my entire first name, just the first letter. None of it looks anything like the pristine signature of my teen years, with every letter formed exactly as it was taught to me in penmanship lessons. Who has time for that anymore?

I've also noticed a marked deterioration in my handwriting since I started shopping online and using e-mail for most communications. I don't have to sign anything when using a credit or debit card in stores in the UK, and rarely have the need to write a check (or "cheque," even). My handwriting is mostly used for writing out grocery shopping lists.

Mr. Getz writes a lot of long notes when he's on the phone working. He works from home about 50% of the time and we share an office so I see all of his paperwork. His handwriting is small and neat, but nevertheless completely illegible to me. His signature is also a large first letter followed by a squiqqle. I can imitate it so well that even he can't tell the difference.

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Since Arpaio has been in office for a couple of decades, would it be possible to see if his sig has changed over time? Or does he use a signature stamp on documents?

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At first I thought WND was alleging (on Zullo's say-so) that because Japanese citizens could acquire fake birth certificates from the Mafia, therefore all Hawaiian documentation is suspect and thus the President is ineligible. But no, it's stupider than that. It's because Japanese citizens could acquire fake birth certificates from the Mafia who have access to the official Hawaiian archives and can put birth announcements in the paper (with no evidence but Zullo's say-so) that blah blah blah usurper.

There are razzi award-winning films with fewer plot holes than the WND birther narrative.

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It kind of sounds to me like they are throwing the narrative out the window and are now simply saying [-X [-(. Even if he saw Obama's original birth certirficate, subjected it to forensic exams by experts, and determined that it was, in fact, a genuiine birth certificate issued for Barack Obama in 1961, Zullo still would not take it as proof that Obama was born in HI.

People here have been saying for years nothing will satisfy birfers that Obama was born in HI. It's actually refreshing to hear a birfer finally acknowledge it.


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It kind of sounds to me like they are throwing the narrative out the window and are now simply saying [-X [-(. Even if he saw Obama's original birth certirficate, subjected it to forensic exams by experts, and determined that it was, in fact, a genuiine birth certificate issued for Barack Obama in 1961, Zullo still would not take it as proof that Obama was born in HI.

People here have been saying for years nothing will satisfy birfers that Obama was born in HI. It's actually refreshing to hear a birfer finally acknowledge it.


And I was expecting that before they got to the endgame, they would prove that the legislation granting Hawaii statehood was flawed and that furthermore it was never a territory.

Or did they try that already and I just miss it?


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And I was expecting that before they got to the endgame, they would prove that the legislation granting Hawaii statehood was flawed and that furthermore it was never a territory.

Or did they try that already and I just miss it?


I've seen a few birthers use that claim before, yes.

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Sheriff Arpaio's office arrested a six-year-old suspected illegal immigrant on Friday:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... d%3D170552


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Yeah, Obama can't tell him what to do.

What a childish response to the President's announcement...but not any less than I expected.

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Here's some nice light reading fare for Shurf Joe fans:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-06- ... ll-inmate/

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-06- ... e-justice/

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valley ... re_you.php

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Sure you do, Joe ... so did Adolf.

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My Surname is 11 letters long. These days I only sign it for official stuff and for general use I just use a 4 letter shorthand.

OMG I@M A FAKE PERSON

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So now he's a retired NJ "detective?" If it's true that he only spent 5 years with the police department, that's an unusually quick ascent to the gold shield, or it's a little bitty podunk department.


Zullo's not in any retiree database I've seen, so I call bullshit on that claim.

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So now he's a retired NJ "detective?" If it's true that he only spent 5 years with the police department, that's an unusually quick ascent to the gold shield, or it's a little bitty podunk department.


Zullo's not in any retiree database I've seen, so I call bullshit on that claim.

Maybe he's not too clear on the difference between 'retired' and 'former' designations.


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He is retired and he used to be a cop.

But he did not retire from being a cop. He retired after 17 years of selling used cars.

He knows the difference. He's a lying scumbag trying to give his "investigation" some weight.

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He is retired and he used to be a cop.

But he did not retire from being a cop. He retired after 17 years of selling used cars.

He knows the difference. He's a lying scumbag trying to give his "investigation" some weight.

How did Sheriff Arpaio know about him if he was from New Jersey?


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He moved to Arizona and sold cars there.

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He moved to Arizona and sold cars there.

But how did Arpaio know how to contact this guy? Let me rephrase this. How was Arpaio aware of Zullo's existence and that he had law enforcement experience? Someone had to introduce them.


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