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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:12 am 
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I think it is likely that Taitz was not choosy about who her tenants were and I think she should have known that renting to marijuana dispensaries violated Federal law. But there is no evidence that she has committed insurance fraud. Around here, we avoid baseless accusations.


Not only that, it puts her and the other doctors prescribing privileges in jeopardy of being revoked. No DEA number, no prescribing controlled drugs which are essential to Orly's style of Dentistry (from what I have seen on various complaint sites for docs/dentists.) Seems a visit to her may involve a bit of pain in more ways than one.

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I wouldn't think Orly would do any prescribing anyway. It is way outside the scope of her practice (another standard for licensing is to use appropriate meds to the profession.

Why should she risk that when she is already renting the buildings out?

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Here are some interesting, perhaps interrelated facts:

(1) Orly Taitz owns two buildings from which she conducts her dental practices:
http://www.drtaitz.com/map.htm



Does she own both of these buildings? At one point her dental practice had two locations, but it's my understanding that she's closed one of them. I suspect that she/Yosi may have purchased the Rancho Santa Margarita building, but I don't know. She/Yosi may, or may not, have also purchased the second building, or her practice may have just leased space.

Does anyone know for sure?

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On Orly's web site, she has an ad for "Office Space for Rent" in the Rancho Santa Margarita building.

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On Orly's web site, she has an ad for "Office Space for Rent" in the Rancho Santa Margarita building.


The only case she has ever won was against some tenant that stiffed her on the lease payment for their bonebreaker office. Even at that, she still hasn't collected a penny as far as I am aware.

One of the business entities my be holding title. :-

Edit: http://tax.ocgov.com/tcweb/detail_sec.asp?ReqParcel=83669115&StreetNo=&Direction=&StreetName=&APN=83669115&Suffix=00&CmpRevDte=79889 Tax bill for her dental office $1.47million
assessed value 20K in sanctions is NOT enough

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Taitz office rentals...

Whenever you need space for your pot activities, see Taitz Office Rentals....Serving potential felons since 2009

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At one time she offered to rent office space for barter. Potatoes and chickens? That used to serve rural ministers well enough.

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^^^^ This.

Obama has almost so much political capital, and he spent a lot - though probably not as much many assumed - with his support of same sex marriage.

I'm always reminded of the saying "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." I'm disappointed Obama hasn't been more liberal, but I understand there's only so much one can do and so far one can go. If he and his team thought he could get away with supporting decriminalization, they probably would.

One the reasons I decided to support Obama in 2008 was his willingness to include those with opposing views. I based this in part, on his inclusion of conservatives when he was President of the Harvard Law Review. His "liberal" friends were insisting that he kick them out. While I may have wanted him to take a more liberal stand on some issues, I am certainly not disappointed nor surprised by his actions as POTUS. I believe it is the mark of a good leader to embrace rather than exclude those with differing views. At least it is one of the leadership qualities that I admire in him!

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I'm not following this thread closely, but is this office she is renting out per chance the same one she sued the previous tennants for breach of contract last year? I'd like to know how that all came out.

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Mark wrote:
On Orly's web site, she has an ad for "Office Space for Rent" in the Rancho Santa Margarita building.


That may mean she owns the building. It may also mean that her practice has shrunk, she has a long term lease on a lot of space, and she's sub-leasing part of it.

That's why I asked if anyone knows for sure.

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I'm not following this thread closely, but is this office she is renting out per chance the same one she sued the previous tennants for breach of contract last year? I'd like to know how that all came out.




She won, but hasn't been able to collect. She did win, but she lost. So far it has cost her far more money than she has collected ($0.00). One of the clients was in bankruptcy, and Orly didn't account for that or some other things.... ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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Liberal state policies on marijuana have run into conflict with federal prohibition. Federal authorities have shut down more than 40 dispensaries this year in Colorado, even though they complied with state and local law. In Rhode Island, Gov. Lincoln Chafee blocked three dispensaries from opening last year after the state's top federal prosecutor warned they could be prosecuted. Chafee and lawmakers then rewrote the dispensary law to restrict the amount of marijuana dispensaries may have on hand


from Huffpo concerning legalization in Rhode Island.

It is still illegal regardless of state laws.

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It is still illegal regardless of state laws.

My daughter is a licensed pharmacist and she has stated that she would not dispense MM to anyone. Prescribed or otherwise. The federal part of her license would be revoked for certain.

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It is still illegal regardless of state laws.

My daughter is a licensed pharmacist and she has stated that she would not dispense MM to anyone. Prescribed or otherwise. The federal part of her license would be revoked for certain.


At the moment, no pharmacist should be dispensing MM...It is not an approved drug.
If the Federal Law and State/Local laws are changed legalizing it and the state approved some sort of distribution system through pharmacies (try to get that one past your state board regardless of legality), then it would be the pharmacist's JOB to dispense lawfully prescribed medications.

I seriously disagree with pharmacists refusing to fill a birth control/plan b/misoprostil etc prescription. Their job is to manage a patients medications along with a doctor not interfere in a patients treatment due to a personal problem.

What if she decided that she wouldn't dispense Oxycontin?

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What if she decided that she wouldn't dispense Oxycontin?

Then Rush would be SOL. But so what?

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What if she decided that she wouldn't dispense Oxycontin?

Then Rush would be SOL. But so what?



Personal feelings or beliefs cannot interfere with the lawful treatment of patients. If the pharmacist doesn't want to dispense an approved drug, then he/she should turn in their license and drive a truck.

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You are taking me seriously, Sue. Bad Sue! Bad Sue!

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You are taking me seriously, Sue. Bad Sue! Bad Sue!



Kinda been in the middle of the Washington State Plan B fight. The pharmacy that filed suit is run by a couple of folks I know. I don't know why some professionals can be so hateful toward women especially since they visibly spend most of the money in a drug store.

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I just wonder what Muslim diabetics did when the insulin was pork derived???

Genetically engineered Human Insulin hasn't been around that long.

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I just wonder what Muslim diabetics did when the insulin was pork derived???

Genetically engineered Human Insulin hasn't been around that long.


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I just wonder what Muslim diabetics did when the insulin was pork derived???



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It seems that the aforementioned view goes in harmony with the spirit of Islam. However, there are certain conditions that must be fulfilled in order to take a medicine containing haram ingredients. Such conditions may be classified as follows:

The medicine containing haram ingredients (alcohol as stated in the question) must be necessary for the life of the person who takes it.
A knowledgeable and trustworthy Muslim physician should recommend such type of medicine containing alcohol.
The person is not allowed to take this particular type of medicine while there are other lawful medicines available


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This rule does not apply to eating carrion out of necessity, for that achieves the purpose of keeping the person alive when there is no alternative; and if a person is forced by necessity to eat dead meat, but he does not eat it and dies as a result, he will go to Hell.


The whole pork thing shows how much misinformation is flying around about Islam (including some spread by fanatical Muslims themselves). I dated a very devout Muslim woman for while, who also happens to be fairly liberal and quite intelligent. I learned a lot about Islam from her, including how flexible the faith can be. For example, there is no requirement in the Qu'ran to cover one's head, so she doesn't (her faith is directed inward, not displayed outwardly). That said, she has no issue with women who want to wear a tudong.

Likewise, the dietary guidelines in the Qu'ran are just that, guidelines. It's what you should do if at all possible. But, for example, if faced with a choice between starving to death and eating pork, the real sin would be allowing oneself to die.

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I guess I could argue with you about the Pakistani and Indian Muslims that I worked with on a daily basis for a number of years. One male would not work if there was a woman checking his work, especially a Muslim woman etc. The old barefoot at home pregnant routine. Almost Court Marshaled a Staff Sergeant (E-6) Registered Pharmacist who was from Pakistan (in the US Army) due to his repeated browbeating of female patients along with his "cultural taboo" against discussing female things with other than wives such as Maam, you must insert a tubeful of this cream in your V...eerrrV errr. Didn't like to dispense BC pills either. It just makes women crazy.

Edit: Several were very insulting to our female soldiers as they didn't think that women shouldn't be heard nor seen.

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I guess I could argue with you about the Pakistani and Indian Muslims that I worked with on a daily basis for a number of years. One male would not work if there was a woman checking his work, especially a Muslim woman etc. The old barefoot at home pregnant routine. Almost Court Marshaled a Staff Sergeant (E-6) Registered Pharmacist who was from Pakistan (in the US Army) due to his repeated browbeating of female patients along with his "cultural taboo" against discussing female things with other than wives such as Maam, you must insert a tubeful of this cream in your V...eerrrV errr. Didn't like to dispense BC pills either. It just makes women crazy.

Edit: Several were very insulting to our female soldiers as they didn't think that women shouldn't be heard nor seen.



Sadly, misogyny is alive and well in many faiths, and probably worst of all in Islam. It's been said that while Islam is a beautiful faith, Muslims make some of it's worst practitioners (in fairness, the same can be said for most other faiths as well. Some Muslims just take it a bit farther). In the example of my friend, I said that she had no problem with women who chose to wear a tudong, because some women are more comfortable with the degree of "protection" afforded by dressing very modestly. What I didn't mention is that she has a serious problem with a husband who forces his wife to dress this way. She divorced her husband in part because of how he treated her and his attitude towards women.

My point wasn't to downplay some of the more repugnant aspects of how some people practice the faith, but to point out some of the misinformation about Islam (i.e., the idea that smearing a body with lard, or dipping bullets in lard prevents the person from entering heaven).

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SueDB wrote:
I just wonder what Muslim diabetics did when the insulin was pork derived???

Genetically engineered Human Insulin hasn't been around that long.


It's OK if it's medicine. http://halalmontreal.tripod.com/id39.html


It's the same for Observant Jews. Medical is ok.

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DaveMuckey wrote:
SueDB wrote:
I just wonder what Muslim diabetics did when the insulin was pork derived???

Genetically engineered Human Insulin hasn't been around that long.


It's OK if it's medicine. http://halalmontreal.tripod.com/id39.html


It's the same for Observant Jews. Medical is ok.


Offtopic :
While I was going for my Ph.D., my advisor was a very Orthodox Jew. One of the most gracious people I've ever known. Shortly after I joined the lab he invited us all to attend the bris for one of his sons, while I was in the group he had two more sons (and we attended the bris-es for them as well). I asked him once what he would do if his wife went into labor on a Saturday, because he was quite observant, and he said, without hesitation "I turn on the cell phone, call the doctor, get in the car, and take my wife to the hospital."

I asked him (honestly curious) how that conflicted with his observance, and he said that it didn't in the slightest - God said to keep holy the Sabbath, and nothing is more holy or respected by the religion than the preservation of life. I found that quite moving.

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