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4 MSNBC.com has described WND as “a conspiracy-mongering website with its own
publishing arm . . . .” Findikyan Decl., Ex. 7 (MSNBC.com post Apr. 27, 2011).


:-bd


Yeah, they're gonna love the judge citing MSNBC's opinion of them!

Hey, I don't blame them, I'd be pissed!

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I'm not done reading yet, but I do feel like pointing out two things I *don't* like about the decision.

One, which I guarantee the Birthers will promptly jump on, is the fact that the Fact summary on page 2 has some errors. Namely, when Ann got divorced and remarried. It's unimportant to the decision, but Birthers will use this as a crutch to argue that the Judge relied on bad information.

Two, I kinda wish the Court had phrased this differently:

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From June to December 2008, WND posted more than 60 Internet items on theissue of the President’s birth certificate. In the period between January 2009 through January2010, WND posted approximately 280 entries on its website that in some form questioned thelegitimacy of the President’s short-form birth certificate.


Now that makes the Court's point perfectly well, but there's an angle that's glossed over. Yes, WND did post 60+ Birther items between June 2008 and December 2008. But they weren't evenly spread across those seven months. Rather, WND published a whopping SIX Birther articles between June and mid-October 2008. Two of which (like the one that said WND's experts said the document was authentic) were expressly dismissive of Birtherism, not supportive. And then they published some 55 or more between October 20 and December 30.

Again, not really critical information to the Judge's point, but I think it illustrates how WND's coverage of the matter was driven by things other than genuine concern.

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In checking that stat above, I found something interesting. WND still maintains its archive of eligibility articles, even though the list appears to be a month out-of-date.

But in looking at the earliest articles, I realized that one was missing. One article that was DEFINITELY there before, but has now been removed. And which one is MIA?

This one. The August 23, 2008 one that infamously stated that a WND investigation had found the COLB to be authentic (before they added an editor's note months later in an attempt to back away from that).

So the article's still there, and it hasn't been scrubbed, but they've removed it from their one-stop archive of eligibility stories. I wonder why...

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Loren wrote:
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But in looking at the earliest articles, I realized that one was missing. One article that was DEFINITELY there before, but has now been removed. And which one is MIA?

This one. The August 23, 2008 one that infamously stated that a WND investigation had found the COLB to be authentic (before they added an editor's note months later in an attempt to back away from that).

So the article's still there, and it hasn't been scrubbed, but they've removed it from their one-stop archive of eligibility stories. I wonder why...


My favorite paragraphs from that article have always been...

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A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.


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(Editor’s note: WND’s investigation into the certification of live birth did not include inspecting the actual document, but only asking experts to evaluate the online image. Those experts, therefore, could not “prove” the document’s authenticity. The experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image’s authenticity.)


But now somehow Joey and Corsi's and Arpaio's "experts" CAN prove the authenticity of an original document form viewing an online image... funny that. :-k

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How delicious to find this in the decision:

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About an hour later when contacted about the Blog Post by the Daily Caller , Mark Warren opined that Dr. Corsi is “an execrable piece of shit.”


=))

It is in a court decision now so that means it must be true. :lol: [-X

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On a different planet of weirdness is WND's recent article explaining the science behind Noah's flood.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/does-science ... ahs-flood/

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“As the crack raced around the earth, the 10-mile-thick crust opened like a rip in a tightly stretched cloth,” Brown explained. “Pressure in the subterranean chamber directly beneath the rupture suddenly dropped [and] caused supercritical water to explode with great violence out of the 10-mile-deep ‘slit’ that wrapped around the earth like the seam of a baseball.”

To relate the magnitude of this release, Brown equates it to the impact of 1,800 trillion hydrogen bombs, ripping a tear down the middle of the Atlantic, veering beneath Africa and Australia, running north a couple thousand miles off South America’s west coast, dipping under North America off Mexico’s west coast to Alaska, resurfacing in the Arctic Circle and continuing down through Iceland.

To see a video presentation of the theory, Click here.

“All along this globe-circling rupture, whose path approximates today’s Mid-Oceanic Ridge, a fountain of water jetted supersonically into and far above the atmosphere,” posits Brown. “Some of the water fragmented into an ‘ocean’ of droplets that fell as rain such as the earth has never experienced – before or after.”

According to Brown, this cataclysmic event had more than geologic effects.

“Other jetting water rose above the atmosphere, where it froze and then fell on various regions of earth as huge masses of extreme cold, muddy ‘hail,’” Brown stated. “That hail buried, suffocated and froze many animals, including some mammoths.”

Brown notes that this explains how mammoths froze in minutes while still chewing vegetation, which requires temperatures of -150 degrees Fahrenheit – colder than any natural temperatures ever recorded on earth.

The effects were of astronomical proportions, as well, says Brown.

“The most powerful jetting water and rock debris escaped earth’s gravity and became the solar system’s comets, asteroids and meteoroids,” Brown claims.


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On a different planet of weirdness is WND's recent article explaining the science behind Noah's flood.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/does-science ... ahs-flood/

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“The most powerful jetting water and rock debris escaped earth’s gravity and became the solar system’s comets, asteroids and meteoroids,” Brown claims.


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The effects were of astronomical proportions, as well, says Brown.

“The most powerful jetting water and rock debris escaped earth’s gravity and became the solar system’s comets, asteroids and meteoroids,” Brown claims.

Um. :-? Can I have some of whatever this Brown person is smoking?

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OMD /// what kind of meds is this guy on?

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Um. :-? Can I have some of whatever this Brown person is smoking?


Bath salts are a bad idea....

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Chilidog wrote:
On a different planet of weirdness is WND's recent article explaining the science behind Noah's flood.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/does-science ... ahs-flood/

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“As the crack raced around the earth, the 10-mile-thick crust opened like a rip in a tightly stretched cloth,” Brown explained. “Pressure in the subterranean chamber directly beneath the rupture suddenly dropped [and] caused supercritical water to explode with great violence out of the 10-mile-deep ‘slit’ that wrapped around the earth like the seam of a baseball.”

blah, blah, blah!!

Bullshit, bovine excrement, bullshit.....

Pseudo-science at its bestest!!

The peddlers of creation science are not too removed from the snake oil salesmen of the 19th Century or birthers. Whenever I engage these clowns about their science, I start with the distinction between a ruling hypothesis (e.g. the Bible is a literal retelling of Earth's history) with the scientific method and the scientific necessity of multiple working hypotheses. Just ask those wise scientists of the past who knew exactly what the Missing Link had to look like. They were completely taken in when Piltdown Man was presented to them! "Well, gosh it has to be true 'cause that is what I thought it would look like!"

Science is a rational way of looking at and making sense of our natural world. If we do a good job, it provides insights into HOW things work. It falls short in explaining WHY things are the way they are.

This pseudo-scientific nitwittery is usually referred to as the Hydroplate Theory. It was developed by another crazy Walt. From RationalWiki:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hydroplate_theory

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Hydroplate theory is a creationist hypothesis - developed in 1980 by Walter Brown (PhD Mechanical Engineering[1]) - that the antediluvian Earth had huge chambers of water that encircled the planet's mantle. The whole idea falls nicely into the not even wrong* category.

Apparently, before the flood, the Earth's crust floated on the above mentioned chambers (rock floats on water! Perhaps it had lots of pumice in it?). Walls and tendrils connected the mantle and crust, allowing the inner and outer reaches of the planet to rotate on its axis at the same speed.


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*Not even wrong (or the full version "That's not right - that's not even wrong") refers to any statement, argument or explanation that can be neither correct nor incorrect, because it fails to meet the criteria by which correctness and incorrectness are determined.

The phrase implies that not only is someone not making a valid point in a discussion, but they don't even seem to understand the nature of the discussion itself, or the things that need to be understood in order to participate.

See http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

Does that sound like a group that you are all familiar with?

Edit: It is a good thing that The Fogbow has at least one geologist on board. :- This :turd: has been floating around in the backwaters of creation science for over 30 years. Every so often someone polishes it up and presents as a, "oh, look!! Its shiny!!" The fact that WND published it after their epic fail against Esquire, makes it all the funnier. =)) =)) =))


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Chilidog wrote:
On a different planet of weirdness is WND's recent article explaining the science behind Noah's flood.
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The effects were of astronomical proportions, as well, says Brown.

“The most powerful jetting water and rock debris escaped earth’s gravity and became the solar system’s comets, asteroids and meteoroids,” Brown claims.

Um. :-? Can I have some of whatever this Brown person is smoking?

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In the late 80s I was Walt Brown's personal nemesis since he was based in the Midwest then, and was a fellow West Point graduate to boot. I would show up at his public talks (usually at churches) and always use the Q&A period to pick apart one or more of his idiotic ideas. We also had a lengthy correspondence that is now part of the Creation/Evolution archives at Iowa State. An example of one of our encounters was when I went after his arguments for a young earth. He used the quantity of elements in sea water to "prove" that the seas could not be more than a few thousand years old. I pointed out that elements do not stay in seawater forever, that they eventually precipitate out or are removed by other chemical or biological activity, so all their seawater amounts told us was their "residence times." He challenged me publicly with a list of ten elements, and said that I would be unable to identify mechanisms for their removal... an exercise that proved trivial.

I then suggested he stop using the argument since I met his challenge and proved him wrong... and his response was unforgettable. "No problem. I'll just stop using those ten and come up with a new list."

Soon after, he moved to Arizona (I think).

He is an idiot.

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Corsi will twist anything.

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Epectitus,

You have probably seen the article below by Dr. Fred K. Parrish entitled, "I Was Suckered into a Debate and Survived!".

http://ncse.com/cej/8/1/i-was-suckered- ... e-survived


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The proof of this is, of course, simple. All we have to do is ask Dr. kHate to talk to the water and see what it remembers.
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These nutz need to go back and read Genesis again.
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6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning —the second day.

The waters above were what caused the problems in Noah's time: all the waters above the sky came down as rain.

The question is where those waters went as the dry land reappeared, but I am guessing that they went into the hollow earth. Unless they were pumped back up. Strange that none of the astronauts noticed them, however, if that were the case. I stick with hollow earth.

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The more technical problem is this:

Walt claims first and foremost that the water came from a "vapor canopy" that once existed. This vapor canopy condensed into the waters of the flood. But to convert water in to vapor and keep it there requires heat... a large amount of it. Once that heat has converted the water to vapor it is conserved within the vapor as "latent heat."

But of course, when water vapor condenses that latent heat must be released as "apparent" or "actual" heat. Whitcomb and Morris's The Genesis Flood asserts that the canopy's collapse would have increased the volume of the ocean by 30 per cent or about 75 million cubic miles of water.

In doing so, all that water would have had to release its latent heat of vaporization... enough heat to raise the temperature of our atmosphere to 6000 degrees F!

Poached Noah anyone?

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Clearly, the water would remember this stuff happening. They need to ask Dr. Hate the Water Whisperer to interview the water and confirm this.

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/cnn-birther- ... tes-fraud/

I really am laughing with this one. To me, the gem is: " CNN pulled out old material..."

and

"Some careful observers, however, objected that the Tuchman report was a rebroadcast of material that CNN originally broadcast last year and possibly even earlier."

Well, what do you know. Joe didn't produce new facts, so why should CNN not rebroadcast the debunking?


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Two things about that article:

One, Corsi has once again been reduced to recycling material from ORYR.

Two, ORYR at least embedded the video it was talking about; Corsi just links to it. And the video makes all the difference in the world.

Because in a very narrow sense, WND and ORYR are right. CNN showed that image that's not Obama's certificate. And the narrator says: "This document, the computer-generated certificate, which was made public four years ago, had already proven he was born in Hawaii."

Except it's plainly obvious to anyone familiar with the Birther saga that what we have here is a video editor's mistake. The narrator is unambiguously describing the COLB. And the image onscreen just *before* that narrator's line is, yes, the COLB. Whereas the microfilm-ish paper is plainly not computer-generated, nor was it released four years ago. Whoever edited the video simply synced the images up wrong. And WND, naturally, doesn't mention either the narrator's description OR show the earlier screenshot.

So why is there a shot in the video of a microfilm image that's not Obama's? I dunno. Cameramen shoot lots of stuff. But the segment never actually claims that it's Obama's.

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