Florida Ballot Challenge

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:05 pm

neonzx wrote:

realist wrote:

While we have no electronic (or other AFAIK, except what Klayman/Pammy choose to post) access to the documents, just FYI - the current VOELTZ Docket...

37 2012 CA 000467 VOELTZ, MICHAEL C vs BARACK H OBAMA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESID

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6/1/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING Event: NOTICE OF HEARING Date: 05/31/2012 Time: 11:45 am Judge: LEWIS, TERRY P Location: HEARING ROOM 301C

5/31?

Everybody's got a Tardis now.

aarrgghh · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:05 pm **Posts:** 1249

judge lewis teeing up as birfistan's next liberator? (with a little "fogblower" love tossed in on the side ...)

Seizethecarp wrote:

Judge Lewis is the FL lower court judge whose rock solid ruling in favor of Bush was ultimately vindicated by SCOTUS after being overturned by the FL State Supremes, who made a transparently partisan ruling.

This has the making of being the next media scrum and cause of panic in Chicago Obot HQ!

Seizethecarp wrote:

FL district Judge Lewis who wrote a superior ruling in Bush v. Gore ultimately upheld in part by SCOTUS, challenges Barry's legal team to cite a SCOTUS definition of NBC superior to the MvH case NBC definition cited by Klayman! Woohoo!

Seizethecarp wrote:

The Fogblowers are really going to hate this...especially with the Bush v. Gore connection via the judge!

(Hi there Fogblowers!)

TXnMA wrote:

One can only hope that Lewis does find him ineligible, and that will be the kick that starts other State SOSes toppling like dominoes! And, then, after the election, (no matter who wins) America will have to face the incomprehensible mess of dealing with the aftermath of four years without a valid President at the helm...

(

Does any State still have a working electric chair for Pelosi?

DNME wrote:

I’ll be following this one but ... damn ... I hate to get my hopes up again.

I was sure that case in Georgia was the clincher.

Still, seeing Obummer excluded from the Florida ballot would be sweet indeed!

Red Steel wrote:

Only about an hour ago, I responded to a typical FoGBlower's post on another site that if this judge honestly adjudicates this case in accordance with and upholding the intentions of the Constitutional authors, they lose.

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:23 pm

neonzx wrote:

realist wrote:

While we have no electronic (or other AFAIK, except what Klayman/Pammy choose to post) access to the documents, just FYI - the current VOELTZ Docket...

37 2012 CA 000467 VOELTZ, MICHAEL C vs BARACK H OBAMA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESID

Quote:

6/1/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING Event: NOTICE OF HEARING Date: 05/31/2012 Time: 11:45 am Judge: LEWIS, TERRY P Location: HEARING ROOM 301C

5/31?

Reading Klayman's comments it did seem to that there had been a hearing this week on discovery. Wish we had an unbirfered account of what happened.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23548

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Reading Klayman's comments it did seem to that there had been a hearing this week on discovery. Wish we had an unbirfered account of what happened.

There was indeed a hearing held yesterday, as Klayman reported.

I would not bet my life on it happening *exactly* as he portrayed it, however.

It was not reported nor recorded, unless a freelance reporter was hired by one of the parties, and I doubt they would have for a simple, short motions hearing. Though admittedly I do not know for certain. So..... except for waiting to see what happens down the road, there's no way except by direct contact with the attorneys involved, which I do not have, to know what took place.

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Docket update

VOELTZ, MICHAEL C vs BARACK H OBAMA

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6/8/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S ADDITIONAL BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO DISMISS OR, ALTERNATIVELY, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

Sure wish we had an operative near Leon County to get all these filings.

bob · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:45 pm

OBC: Historic Florida Hearing June 18- Voeltz v Obama- What is a Natural Born Citizen? Is Obama One?

Executive summary: send money.

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

bob wrote:

OBC: Historic Florida Hearing June 18- Voeltz v Obama- What is a Natural Born Citizen? Is Obama One?

Executive summary: send money.

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May 31, 2012, Tallahassee, FL - Activist attorney Larry Klayman announced today that Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County, FL has set a hearing on June 18th, 2012 at 9:00am to hear arguments from both sides about whether the eligibility of President Barack Hussein Obama can be determined in open court. Judge Lewis made crucial rulings in the famous Bush v. Gore case in 2000.

Sorry, I don't donate to "activist attorneys" (sounds too much like activist judge). I stick with Lady Liberty, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY! :xo

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23548

bob wrote:

OBC: Historic Florida Hearing June 18- Voeltz v Obama- What is a Natural Born Citizen? Is Obama One?

Executive summary: send money.

Methinks There's going to be a serious birther breakdown following that hearing. Not because the judge is going to opine on nbc, but because the hearing has nothing to do with it. Like Orly and Irion, however, Klayman is not going to tell them the truth, as that would slow the PayPal. He'll just scream foul/corruption/bought off afterward.

rajah · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:03 pm

I am beginning to understand "Birferlaw" . What I now know is that if a "Democrat" challenges President Obama it is so much more significant than if someone else does. I assume that the Judge will take Judicial Notice of this fact and it will heavily influence his decision.
Regards ............Dick

rajah · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:42 am

Someone is getting a bit optimistic
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/florida-ballot-challenge-announcement.html

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Dear Friend of Constitution Action Fund,
We so appreciate your concern for the Florida Ballot Challenge! Our contributions have ranged from $5 to $5,000. We still need several thousand dollars more. There is a hearing scheduled for June 18th. Just getting our attorney to Tallahassee and other expenses associated with the hearing has exhausted our meager funds. Once we have a ruling, we will need more financial support to deal with Obama’s inevitable appeal.

Regards .............Dick

kreisman · **Joined:** Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:01 pm **Posts:** 300

Reading in between the lines of the report of the hearing on obamaballotchallange.com, it appears that the Judge granted the motions to stay the discovery that the Klayman had plan to take. That discovery was to begin in the week of June 18. Instead we have a hearing on the motions to dismiss on June 18. In the usual course of litigation that I am familiar with (not Florida though), if a stay of discovery is requested while a dispositive motion is being considered by the court, it is usually granted. Just my guess here.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:13 am

Do we have a clear idea as to the legal question that this judge must decide? Birthers think that his task is to define natural born citizen. I doubt that. The relative absence of copies of items on the docket is a real problem.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23548

Judging from the docket, it appears the hearing would concern the various motions to dismiss. If those are granted, the rest is moot.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9353

realist wrote:

Judging from the docket, it appears the hearing would concern the various motions to dismiss. If those are granted, the rest is moot.

This is, of course, exactly why discovery stays are generally granted when dispositive motions are on the table. There is no point burdening the parties with a case that will never happen. This is clearly a frivolous case that will never go forward (said Captain Obvious).

Msottement · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:13 am

At ORYR:

Talking about the Florida Challenge, Klayman says (in part):

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It is now proven that Obama has a forged birth certificate and a forged Selective Service application, as well as using Social Security numbers which were never issued to him. Those are felonies in themselves, in addition to indicating that he is probably not eligible to be President. In addition, by his own admission, his father was never a citizen (he was in fact deported), which legal experts have cited as proof of “Obama’s” ineligibility, based upon centuries of settled law.

(snip)

We are doing something that has never been done on an eligibility case before. Something I will not be able to even mention until later in the week.

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:25 am

You missed out the important bit -

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Talk is cheap. Lawyers are expensive

(Translation: I wantz more money)

verbalobe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:11 am

Klayman wrote:

We are doing something that has never been done on an eligibility case before.

WIN?????!!!!!!

How exciting!!!!!

-xx

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:05 pm

Never underestimate the stupidity of a birfer - Joe & Zullo have signed smething!:-

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6/12/2012 NOTICE OF FILING OF AFFIDAVITS OF SHERIFF JOSEPH A. ARPAIO AND PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR MIKE ZULLO IN CONTRAVENTION OF CLAIMS BY DEFENDANT BARACK OBAMA THAT HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OR ITS TERRITORIES
6/12/2012 PLAINTIFFS SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM ON THE DEFINITION OF "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"

http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=dockets&addQuery=real_case.case_id='58101756'

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Welsh Dragon wrote:

Never underestimate the stupidity of a birfer - Joe & Zullo have signed smething!:-

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6/12/2012 NOTICE OF FILING OF AFFIDAVITS OF SHERIFF JOSEPH A. ARPAIO AND PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR MIKE ZULLO IN CONTRAVENTION OF CLAIMS BY DEFENDANT BARACK OBAMA THAT HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OR ITS TERRITORIES
6/12/2012 PLAINTIFFS SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM ON THE DEFINITION OF "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"

http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=dockets&addQuery=real_case.case_id='58101756'

I'm impressed!

I was just coming to this thread to post the same.

shrek · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:12 pm

link not working for me.

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:12 pm

From Ballot chumps:-

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Attorney Larry Klayman has announced that Sheriff Joe Arpaio has authorized an affidavit by the Cold Case Posse to support allegations of Obama document fraud cited in the Voeltz v Obama FL ballot challenge case. This should undercut previous defense arguments that previous witnesses were not credible, although their qualifications and experience should be more than sufficient to establish that Obama’s alleged proof of eligibility is fraudulent

http://obamaballotchallenge.com/flash-june-18-fl-ballot-challenge-hearing-to-be-first-ever-to-have-arpaio-posse-affidavit-submitted

verbalobe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:18 pm

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This should undercut previous defense arguments...

Ah yes... it should undercut defense arguments much the way RMS Titanic undercut that famous iceberg....

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23548

Docket Update...

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6/8/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATEÂ€™S ADDITIONAL BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO DISMISS OR, ALTERNATIVELY, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

6/12/2012 NOTICE OF FILING OF AFFIDAVITS OF SHERIFF JOSEPH A. ARPAIO AND PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR MIKE ZULLO IN CONTRAVENTION OF CLAIMS BY DEFENDANT BARACK OBAMA THAT HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OR ITS TERRITORIES

6/12/2012 PLAINTIFFS SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM ON THE DEFINITION OF "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"

Should be good. Of course, daffydavits by themselves are useless, but it would be interesting to see what they actually say... and can't, obviously, back up. $\:D/$

It appears Arpaio is keeping his hands "clean".

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Attorney Larry Klayman has announced that Sheriff Joe Arpaio has authorized an affidavit by the Cold Case Posse to support allegations of Obama document fraud cited in the Voeltz v Obama FL ballot challenge case. This should undercut previous defense arguments that previous witnesses were not credible, although their qualifications and experience should be more than sufficient to establish that Obama’s alleged proof of eligibility is fraudulent. =))

Foggy · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:21 pm

Damn, we gotta get a copy of that Florida file somehow.

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Foggy wrote:

Damn, we gotta get a copy of that Florida file somehow.

Agreed. If we presently have no one local, is there a service we can pay to go get the filings from the court?

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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