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Ha dude Bergs waiting for the briefs schedule
Appeal has been filed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. We are waiting for the briefing schedule so we can file our opening briefs.

Berg has the appeal

Has Berg filed an appeal?
Since I'm not one of you smarty-pants lawyers, I have to ask about the briefing schedule. What does he mean by this?


I believe this refers to the appeal of Hollister v. Soetoro, the failed interpleader action. Even if Berg filed a notice of appeal in the qui tam action yesterday, it would not be docketed in the appellate court today, much less scheduled for briefing.

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 Post subject: SEALED CASE UNSEALED
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Berg has the appeal


Uh, am I missing something? Had Berg been granted pro hac vice in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia? :?


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 Post subject: SEALED CASE UNSEALED
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:19 pm 
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Anyone having any luck finding this on PACER? Do we have an dismissal order from the Judge?


No - all PACER shows is...

Date Filed # Docket Text
06/12/2009 ***Case Unsealed (zjf) (Entered: 06/12/2009)

Of course, Berg's Press Release *SAID* that all pleadings would be available at OC ... but haven't seen them there yet. (Maybe they're in the superdooper secret place.)


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Berg has the appeal


Uh, am I missing something? Had Berg been granted pro hac vice in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia? :?


There's nothing on the docket indicating such. For one of the cases the issues statement (and something else) #-o was due yesterday , and there was nothing on the docket when I checked this morning early.

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Maybe they're in the superdooper secret place.


Filed with the FISA court, no doubt.

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Has anyone seen the case appear on Pacer yet? I checked, nothing so far...
Weird. Did Berg 'jump the gun' again?

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 Post subject: SEALED CASE UNSEALED
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:53 pm 
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Has anyone seen the case appear on Pacer yet? I checked, nothing so far...
Weird. Did Berg 'jump the gun' again?


It is on pacer - but all it says is "unsealed"

1:08-cv-01933-RWR BERG v. OBAMA
Richard W. Roberts, presiding
Date filed: 11/07/2008
Date terminated: 06/09/2009
Date of last filing: 06/12/2009
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Date Filed # Docket Text
06/12/2009 ***Case Unsealed (zjf) (Entered: 06/12/2009)


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Darn, I was sure that I did the correct searching. Pacer is not the easiest search engine but this is ridiculous. Let's see if we get to hear more about the dismissal w. prejudice part soon.

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nbc wrote:
Has anyone seen the case appear on Pacer yet? I checked, nothing so far...
Weird. Did Berg 'jump the gun' again?


It is on pacer - but all it says is "unsealed"

1:08-cv-01933-RWR BERG v. OBAMA
Richard W. Roberts, presiding
Date filed: 11/07/2008
Date terminated: 06/09/2009
Date of last filing: 06/12/2009
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Date Filed # Docket Text
06/12/2009 ***Case Unsealed (zjf) (Entered: 06/12/2009)

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nbc wrote:
Darn, I was sure that I did the correct searching. Pacer is not the easiest search engine but this is ridiculous. Let's see if we get to hear more about the dismissal w. prejudice part soon.

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nbc wrote:
Has anyone seen the case appear on Pacer yet? I checked, nothing so far...
Weird. Did Berg 'jump the gun' again?


It is on pacer - but all it says is "unsealed"

1:08-cv-01933-RWR BERG v. OBAMA
Richard W. Roberts, presiding
Date filed: 11/07/2008
Date terminated: 06/09/2009
Date of last filing: 06/12/2009
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Date Filed # Docket Text
06/12/2009 ***Case Unsealed (zjf) (Entered: 06/12/2009)


Yeah, Tes, how did you even get that much?

I got nuttin". :?

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Oh. Gee. A $ Qui $ Tam $. $ I notice he didn't cut any of his little buddy helpers in on the action $.


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Oh. Gee. A $ Qui $ Tam $. $ I notice he didn't cut any of his little buddy helpers in on the action $.


Are you back already, ellie? Or did you start going into PJ withdrawl and need to grab a quick dose? :lol:

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I'm listening to Phil and Chalice. Poor Phil he doesn't know what he his on about . One minute he says miscarriage of justice, next he say that this a good thing because he has standing now and can go forward. He still talks about the ban on Pakistan travel and the muslim thing. He throws in the patriotic bit about the millions who died for their county. I' m as patriotic as anyone but it annoys me when people use this to justify their actions. " patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels". He believes the Obama was born in Kenya . He also did a bit of touting for cash I' m sorry if this is disjointed but I"m just writing impressions of what is going on. He is a complete wanker.


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rajah wrote:
I'm listening to Phil and Chalice. Poor Phil he doesn't know what he his on about . One minute he says miscarriage of justice, next he say that this a good thing because he has standing now and can go forward. He still talks about the ban on Pakistan travel and the muslim thing. He throws in the patriotic bit about the millions who died for their county. I' m as patriotic as anyone but it annoys me when people use this to justify their actions. " patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels". He believes the Obama was born in Kenya . He also did a bit of touting for cash I' m sorry if this is disjointed but I"m just writing impressions of what is going on. He is a complete wanker.


Phil is so full of it. He and Orly both have their standard speeches down. All the crap is standard, except the bit about standing. He has no more standing than anyone has ever had,, and for his qui tam action to have any traction he would have to prove Obama was born in Kenya and not a U.S. citizen at all. Good luck with that.

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elliewyatt wrote:
Oh. Gee. A $ Qui $ Tam $. $ I notice he didn't cut any of his little buddy helpers in on the action $.


Are you back already, ellie? Or did you start going into PJ withdrawl and need to grab a quick dose? :lol:


Thanks for askin', Sequoia, yep, I'm back. Went to the extreme southwest part of Utah to visit my 80 yr old daddio's cousin & wife (Mormons). It was relaxing and the country is beyond beautiful.

I went six whole days without swearing! Six whole days without uttering an off-color remark! Six days with no flavor in the food! One day we had an "extra very special desert" made of crushed vanilla wafers, chocolate pudding and Cool Whip!!! :shock: (Except we had wonderful fresh vegetables from the back garden). Six days without my Cabernet! Six days without Politijab! Didn't even turn the teevee on. The people are the nicest, but it reallllly is weird to spend time with people of such a different, obedient, regimented and utterly unquestioning outlook.

We were able to accomplish our goals of checking some Indian and historical areas.

The "backyard":

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Jimson ("Loco Weed") and black basalt

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An old barn in Moccasin, Paiute reservation.

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WOWEEE... it sure is hard to catch up on a week of PJ!!!!


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Great pics, ellie. Glad you are back.

So what was the most difficult to do without, the wine or PJ? ;)

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realist wrote:
Great pics, ellie. Glad you are back.

So what was the most difficult to do without, the wine or PJ? ;)


Are you joking? The wine. I could endure conversations about Sister Martha's cousin's daughter's husband's uncle's gout if I had a glass of wine.


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 Post subject: SEALED CASE UNSEALED
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I listened to Berg and what happened is much clearer to me

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The court stated that since the Federal Court of Appeals had ruled on a similar case, the judge’s hands were tied. Berg was then given the opportunity to convince the DOJ to proceed. If the DOJ asks for dismissal the Court would approve.


I did some digging and found that the Court likely dismissed under Section 3730(c)(2)(A) which states that the Government may call for a dismissal as long as the plaintiff is given an opportunity to be heard.

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According to the panel majority, nothing in the language of Section 3730(c)(2)(A) requires the government to intervene in order to move to dismiss the suit. The majority also noted that the D.C. Circuit held in Swift v. United States, 318 F.3d 250, 251 (D.C. Cir.), cert denied, 539 U.S. 944 (2003), that the government was not required to intervene during the seal period before it moved to dismiss an action, based on the finding that intervention was required under Section 3730(b)(2) only in the event that the government proceeds with the action. The Tenth Circuit found that this interpretation applied to intervention after the seal period as well, and noted that other courts had applied this limitation to the intervention requirement. Ridenour, 2005 WL 300248 at *4 (citing Swift, 318 F.3d at 251).


In other words, the Government can ask for the case to be dismissed under 3730(c)(2)(a). Of course according to Sequioa, there are some principles to guide the dismissal, however they appear to be relatively easy to meet.

The case is “Ridenour v. Kaiser-Hill Co., No. 01-1510, 2005 WL 300248 (10th Cir. Feb. 9, 2005), and addresses two important issues regarding the government’s right to dismiss declined qui tam cases over a relator’s objection”

In a side comment, Berg denies having spoken about the sekrit case and yet a journalist reported on November 2008

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Berg takes this in stride. His writ, he says, requires Obama and the Democratic National Council to respond by December 1. Also, he has another arrow in his quiver. He’s filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the False Claims Act, which is often used in Medicaid fraud. “I am basing this on the fact that as a U.S. senator [Obama] is collecting money illegally because he is not a citizen of this country,” he says.


On Chalice, Berg remarks

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If I had talked about the case, they could have dismissed it.


Seems that the case, if it ever comes back to the lower court is ripe for dismissal on grounds of the plaintiff discussing the case in public during the time it was sealed. Berg is also claiming that the Court forgot to seal it but the rules seem clear that it is up to the plaintiff to make sure the case is sealed and to achieve this the case should be presented in camera.

See Berg's comment at nativeborncitizen blog

Sequoia references the 9th Circuit ruling

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The court unanimously adopted the Ninth Circuit’s Sequoia Orange holding that the proper standard of review for a government motion to dismiss is the “rational relation” test. Under the “rational relation” test, the government is merely required to demonstrate: (1) a valid governmental purpose for the dismissal, and (2) a rational relation between dismissal and accomplishment of the governmental purpose. Once this showing has been made, “‘the burden switches to the relator to demonstrate that dismissal is fraudulent, arbitrary and capricious, or illegal.’” Id. at *7.


The ball is back in Berg's court, no pun intended.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:24 am 
Once again, Berg goes "beyond the pale" in arguing:
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I am proceeding as there are several major issues: 1) Conflict of Interest by U.S. Attorney & Justice Department as Obama is their boss; 2) Discovery should be released to me as the Relator; 3) I presented sufficient information for the Prosecution of Obama that he defrauded the U.S. Treasury by taking salary and expenses when he was “not” qualified/eligible to be U.S. Senator from Illinois.


1. There is No Conflict of Interest. The statute clearly and expressly assigns responsibility for enforcement to the Attorney General, with no exceptions for investigations of the Executive Branch.

2. The US is Prohibited from Disclosing Discovery to Berg. The statute ALSO provides that evidence obtained by the AG must be kept confidential and may not be discloed, with very limited exceptions that do not apply to Berg. (See, for example, s3733(i)(2) and s3733(k).)

3. Berg's "sufficient Information" claim is laughable. We've seen the complaint and know the "information" he provided. 'Nuff said.


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Once again, Berg goes "beyond the pale" in arguing:
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I am proceeding as there are several major issues: 1) Conflict of Interest by U.S. Attorney & Justice Department as Obama is their boss; 2) Discovery should be released to me as the Relator; 3) I presented sufficient information for the Prosecution of Obama that he defrauded the U.S. Treasury by taking salary and expenses when he was “not” qualified/eligible to be U.S. Senator from Illinois.


1. There is No Conflict of Interest. The statute clearly and expressly assigns responsibility for enforcement to the Attorney General, with no exceptions for investigations of the Executive Branch.

2. The US is Prohibited from Disclosing Discovery to Berg. The statute ALSO provides that evidence obtained by the AG must be kept confidential and may not be discloed, with very limited exceptions that do not apply to Berg. (See, for example, s3733(i)(2) and s3733(k).)

3. Berg's "sufficient Information" claim is laughable. We've seen the complaint and know the "information" he provided. 'Nuff said.


Berg appeared on my blog NativeBornCitizen and left a comment. I have asked him to explain why so many of his facts appear to be less than. No response.
Berg would not stand a chance in arguing his case. But he is clear, he does not care about the veracity of his arguments as much as getting an opportunity for discovery.

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Can't the ABA take some action against this fool ? and the other idiots, too......


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Berg would not stand a chance in arguing his case. But he is clear, he does not care about the veracity of his arguments as much as getting an opportunity for discovery.

(emphasis mine)

Discovery will happen about the time the devil starts ice skating to work.

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Few words are needed to dispose of Swift's remaining arguments. Since the government conceded the truth of Swift's allegations when it sought to dismiss, the fact that the government did not investigate the validity of her charges is of no consequence. As to her claim that she was entitled to discovery, the Supreme Court has stated that a party is not entitled to discovery of information relating to prosecutorial decisions absent a substantial threshold showing. See Armstrong, 517 U.S. at 463, 116 S.Ct. at 1485-86. As we have said, Swift offered no evidence to support her allegations that the government acted improperly. Nor did the district court abuse its discretion in denying Swift's motion to unseal the case. Swift did not oppose the government's motion to keep the case sealed during the proceedings on dismissal, and although she had many months to file a motion to unseal, her motion came at the eleventh-hour; granting it would have delayed the hearing, which had already been postponed twice at Swift's request. Cf. Ned Chartering & Trading, Inc. v. Republic of Pakistan, 294 F.3d 148, 151 (D.C.Cir.2002).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:12 pm 
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Looking for something else, found this:

[linkbtn]Berg's Qui Tam RELATOR’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION,http://www.scribd.com/doc/16676280/171[/linkbtn]

[linkbtn]Berg's Qui Tam Berg's suggested order,http://www.scribd.com/doc/16676273/172[/linkbtn]

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Sequoia32 wrote:
Looking for something else, found this:

[linkbtn]Berg's Qui Tam RELATOR’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION,http://www.scribd.com/doc/16676280/171[/linkbtn]

[linkbtn]Berg's Qui Tam Berg's suggested order,http://www.scribd.com/doc/16676273/172[/linkbtn]


Unbelievable! It's yet another rehash of the same tired old crap!!

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