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neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Okay, makes sense. But if the docket is correct, there are still two MTD that await rulings. Why is Klayman trying to subpoena or depose anyone? Has he been taking continuing education courses via Taft online?

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Wed May 23, 2012 10:26 pm

neonzx wrote:

Okay, makes sense. But if the docket is correct, there are still two MTD that await rulings. Why is Klayman trying to subpoena or depose anyone? Has he been taking continuing education courses via Taft online?

Klayman's not entered an appearance yet. Officially Voeltz is stilll pro se.

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

Welsh Dragon wrote:

neonzx wrote:

Okay, makes sense. But if the docket is correct, there are still two MTD that await rulings. Why is Klayman trying to subpoena or depose anyone? Has he been taking continuing education courses via Taft online?

Klayman's not entered an appearance yet. Officially Voeltz is stilll pro se.

Okay...
Well, it's too bad we haven't been able to yet obtain copies of the filings in this case beyond the initial complaint.

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4/23/2012 DEFENDANT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS ANSWER AND AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO AMENDED COMPLAINT CONTESTING ELECTION

4/23/2012 DEFENDANT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS MOTION TO DISMISS AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CAUSE OF ACTION

4/23/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO DISMISS AMENDED COMPLAINT OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

4/24/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATES ALTERNATIVE ANSWER

4/27/2012 LETTER TO LARRY KLAYMAN, ESQ FROM JUDGE LEWIS OFFICE :?:

5/14/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATE AND DEFENDANT OBAMAS MOTIONS TO DISMISS AND DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES ALTERNATIVE MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

5/14/2012 FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSIONs ANSWER TO AMENDED COMPLAINT JAMES PETERS (Attorney) on behalf of FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT)

5/23/2012 SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

AnitaMaria · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:41 pm **Posts:** 2115

I don't think Voeltz is pro se anymore. Klayman signed Voeltz's amended complaint, seen at ORYR scribd site.

jtmunkus · **Joined:** Mon May 23, 2011 7:33 pm **Posts:** 3501

Is this Voeltz/Klayman venture funded by the Art2UsurperPAC?

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Thu May 24, 2012 7:52 am

neonzx wrote:

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Okay...
Well, it's too bad we haven't been able to yet obtain copies of the filings in this case beyond the initial complaint.

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4/27/2012 LETTER TO LARRY KLAYMAN, ESQ FROM JUDGE LEWIS OFFICE :?:

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Then again:

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Plaintiffs Plaintiff Attorney(s)
VOELTZ, MICHAEL C PRO SE,

I'll believe Klayman really is Voeltz's attorney when he puts in a notice of appearance until then I'm inclined to think he still wants more money or is trying avoid any risk of sanctions by huding behind the pro se. Love to know what was in that letter to Klayman though.

Welsh Dragon · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 7:49 am

George Miller & Co have posted a number of documents from the Voeltz case in their latest "send more money" article.

http://obamaballotchallenge.com/voeltz-v-obama-florida-ballot-challenge-case-progressing

I've not read them yet but the article claims that depositons are scheduled which presumably is what provoked the motion for a protective order. They also have this little snippit about the judge:

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Judge Terry B. Lewis also worked on the famous Gore v Bush 2000 election case and ruled to stop counting ballots. Although believed to be a political Liberal, he doesn’t necessarily rule that way. We’ll see

A judge who doesn't rule by his political inclinations! Oh noes! They've found their mythical "one honest judge" :shock:

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23561

They didn't post the Defendants pleadings. A couple of the pleadings have been at Jack's for a while..

The Original Challenge filed by Voeltz.

The Amended Complaintt filed by Klayman.

The additional documents posted at Pambly's are now at Jack's as well.

FL - 2012-05-14 - VOELTZ - Plaintiff's Response in Opposition to Defendants' Motion to Dismiss

FL - 2012-05-14 - VOELTZ - Notice of Deposition Duces Tecum

I'm sure the deposition being scheduled with a Motion to Dismiss pending is what prompted the Motion for Protective Order.

bob · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 11:30 am

realist wrote:

I'm sure the deposition being scheduled with a Motion to Dismiss pending is what prompted the Motion for Protective Order.

That, and trying to depo the SoSoFL.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23561

One new update to the docket in the Voeltz case...

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5/23/2012 SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

5/25/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23561

VOELTZ Docket Update...

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5/29/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMENDED MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

5/29/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR A PROTECTIVE ORDER

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 10:23 pm

Does the plaintiff's response include the words, "Constitutional crisis of galactic proportions"?

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

docket update

5/23/2012 SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
5/25/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMENDED MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 FLORIDA ELECTION CANVASSING COMMISSION'S JOINDER IN MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY JAMES PETERS (Attorney) on behalf of FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT)
5/29/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR A PROTECTIVE ORDER
5/30/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING
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BillTheCat · **Joined:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1428

neonzx wrote:

docket update

5/23/2012 SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
5/25/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMENDED MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 FLORIDA ELECTION CANVASSING COMMISSION'S JOINDER IN MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY JAMES PETERS (Attorney) on behalf of FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT)
5/29/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR A PROTECTIVE ORDER
5/30/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING
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Sooo... no docs posted for Obama's Motion To Stay or any of those?

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23561

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Sooo... no docs posted for Obama's Motion To Stay or any of those?

There's no online access to the documents.

bob · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 5:13 pm

ORYR FLORIDA COURT SETS HEARING ON OBAMA BALLOT CHALLENGE FOR JUNE 18, 2012

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Judge Terry Lewis States "Natural Born Citizen" Definition Will Be Decided

Activist attorney Larry Klayman announced today that Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County, FL has set a hearing on June 18th, 2012 at 9:00am to hear arguments from both sides about whether the eligibility of President Barack Hussein Obama can be determined in open court. Judge Lewis made crucial rulings in the famous Bush v. Gore case in 2000.

[...]

During the hearing over discovery issues, which Mr. Klayman wants to take the week of June 18, Judge Lewis noted that Mr. Klayman's brief cited legal authority that a president, to be eligible, must have two (2) U.S. citizen parents, but President Obama and the other defendants cited no authority to the contrary. Mr. Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Judge Lewis ordered further briefing on this issue prior to the hearing.

nbc · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:38 am **Posts:** 2531

So the Judge wants to know if the issue of eligibility is justiciable in a Florida Court. Hardly what ORYR wants it to mean...

BillTheCat · **Joined:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1428

Good luck with that KKKlayman! :yankyank:

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 5:41 pm

Should we break out the tenterhooks?

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 5:56 pm

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Obama's Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father (who had to be deported from the U.S.), frankly explains why he frequently sides with and takes actions to further the interests of Muslim nations against the United States; specifically his refusal to take forceful action against the Islamic Republic of Iran and its leaders over nuclear armament and human rights violations and atrocities."

June bug · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 6:00 pm

Sequoia32 wrote:

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Obama's Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father (who had to be deported from the U.S.), frankly explains why he frequently sides with and takes actions to further the interests of Muslim nations against the United States; specifically his refusal to take forceful action against the Islamic Republic of Iran and its leaders over nuclear armament and human rights violations and atrocities."

And. Too. Also. Plus. :sick:

PatGund · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 6:08 pm

Sequoia32 wrote:

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Obama's Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father (who had to be deported from the U.S.), frankly explains why he frequently sides with and takes actions to further the interests of Muslim nations against the United States; specifically his refusal to take forceful action against the Islamic Republic of Iran and its leaders over nuclear armament and human rights violations and atrocities."

Except the minor little fact that "Obama's Muslim heritage" is all Sunni, and Iran is Shia......

esseff44 · **Posted:** Thu May 31, 2012 6:18 pm

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Except the minor little fact that "Obama's Muslim heritage" is all Sunni, and Iran is Shia......

and a religious heritage does not emanate across half the globe without contact.

and being denied a visa extension is not the same as 'deported' and so on.

and there's nothing wrong with being on slightly better terms with a large swath of the earth's population anyway.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23561

While we have no electronic (or other AFAIK, except what Klayman/Pammy choose to post) access to the documents, just FYI - the current VOELTZ Docket...

37 2012 CA 000467 VOELTZ, MICHAEL C vs BARACK H OBAMA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESID

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Docket Date Docket Text
2/15/2012 CIVIL COVER SHEET

2/15/2012 COMPLAINT ( CONTEST OF ELECTION AND DECLARATORY JUDGMENT AND EQUITY) Receipt: 610925 Date: 02/15/2012 $400.00

3/16/2012 AMENDED COMPLAINT CONTESTING ELECTION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

3/21/2012 COPIES Receipt: 625269 Date: 03/21/2012 $8.00

3/21/2012 COPIES Receipt: 625524 Date: 03/21/2012 $7.00

4/12/2012 SUMMONS ISSUED BARACK H OBAMA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESID (DEFENDANT); Receipt: 634008 Date: 04/12/2012 $10.00

4/12/2012 SUMMONS ISSUED FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT); Receipt: 634008 Date: 04/12/2012 $10.00

4/12/2012 SUMMONS ISSUED KEN DETZNER SECRETARY OF STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT); Receipt: 634008 Date: 04/12/2012 $10.00

4/23/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE ASHLEY DAVIS (Attorney) on behalf of KEN DETZNER SECRETARY OF STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT)

4/23/2012 DEFENDANT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS ANSWER AND AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES TO AMENDED COMPLAINT CONTESTING ELECTION

4/23/2012 DEFENDANT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMAS MOTION TO DISMISS AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CAUSE OF ACTION

4/23/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO DISMISS AMENDED COMPLAINT OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

4/23/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE DANIEL E NORDBY (Attorney) on behalf of KEN DETZNER SECRETARY OF STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT)

4/24/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATES ALTERNATIVE ANSWER

4/24/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF RICHARD B. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

4/25/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF STEPHEN F. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.,AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

4/27/2012 LETTER TO LARRY KLAYMAN, ESQ FROM JUDGE LEWIS OFFICE

5/14/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATE AND DEFENDANT OBAMAS MOTIONS TO DISMISS AND DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES ALTERNATIVE MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

5/14/2012 FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSIONs ANSWER TO AMENDED COMPLAINT JAMES PETERS (Attorney) on behalf of FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT)

5/23/2012 SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

5/25/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

5/29/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMENDED MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE'S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

5/29/2012 FLORIDA ELECTION CANVASSING COMMISSION'S JOINDER IN MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY JAMES PETERS (Attorney) on behalf of FLORIDA ELECTIONS CANVASSING COMMISSION (DEFENDANT)

5/29/2012 PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT SECRETARY OF STATES MOTION FOR A PROTECTIVE ORDER

5/30/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

realist wrote:

While we have no electronic (or other AFAIK, except what Klayman/Pammy choose to post) access to the documents, just FYI - the current VOELTZ Docket...

37 2012 CA 000467 VOELTZ, MICHAEL C vs BARACK H OBAMA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESID

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6/1/2012 NOTICE OF HEARING Event: NOTICE OF HEARING Date: 05/31/2012 Time: 11:45 am Judge: LEWIS, TERRY P Location: HEARING ROOM 301C

5/31?

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