From the "Dark Side"? Do you know anyone who stop believing Obama secretly born in Kenya or two citizen parents myth because of FogBow?

One.

But that's nt really the point of TFB.

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This (give or take an 'o').

Stpid iPad.

So what's the point then?

If it's just to laugh at them we don't need a forum for that, we just need Google. BTW who is this "One" person who has been converted?

Is he/she a member here?

I've had one or two successes. For instance, I had one guy on a youtube comment who was amazed that the background layer on the LFBC was not just the security paper but had lines and letters on it. He thought that the background was a solid green security paper pattern and he felt that that was the most damning evidence of forgery (I'd agree with him if it were true) Some have told me they are not sure anymore.

But you just have to remember there are people that read and don't post, and you could be convincing them.

How did you convince him differently and what's his YT username?

I'm interested.

I doubt it is possible to convert hard core birthers because let's face it, with them it is not really about evidence or legal argument it is all about how much they hate the President.

Instead this site is a good resource to direct those who have doubts to or to inform those who haven't really been paying attention and want to find out what this whole birther thing is all about.

It may not be something one can measure. Perhaps some were merely prevented from crossing over to the darkside when their suspicions were allayed by the information at the Fogbow. And perhaps former birthers are too ashamed to admit having been birthers--it certainly would not be something I would be proud to admit if I had been a birther nut.

Oh i have no illusion that Orly or Dr.Kate would come to their senses due to the things they read here, but have we ever "Save" any of their followers?

Of course Orly many failures and Dr.Kate strange conspiracy theories might turn away some of their followers, however do you know anyone who turned away from the likes of Orly and Dr.Kate not because of their failures and strange CTs but because they read here?

MommaE is the one I think of.

That's like asking if you know how many diseases you prevented by washing your hands frequently.

Well I'm going to do my best to reconstruct the discussion here. The username is IlmrynX, but I was talking with other people so I'll include where he replied to those comments and the comments he replied to.

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=OwmfisorUcc







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Man, what a fountain of misinformation on both sides.

And it wasn't created with Quark either, but with Preview.

I admit that's a good "Catch" but how many other like her have we ever "Caught"?

My point is perhaps we should change tactic, or at least lock the "Debunking The Lies" section. If after four years, and several evidence like COLB, long form etc, there are still people who said or believe such ignorant things about Obama then they need more than debunking. They need mental help.

Do you remember The Cracked article about BS political stories?

No offense but i think that what we do in the "Debunking The Lies" section is no longer productive and instead becomes a place to make ourselves feel good by mocking right wingers stupidity. IOW we have fallen for the trap of BS political stories where we seek for and read news about "The Other Team" follies. Sure it's fun laughing and mocking them, and it's even more fun tying them to GOP but what difference does it make? How can it help Obama reelected? How can it help defeat GOP?

Unless Romney is stupid enough to follow the likes of Orly then this thing is nothing more than distraction.

Kara,
Would you please fix the title of this thread? It's sending my anal retentive self into a tailspin.

Thanks.

Sorry but how do you fix your own topic title?

You can't really convert birthers. It's not about birthering. They just hate.

There was one woman who says she converted. I forget her name, because she used at least two on Politijab.

She is a technical editor in Massachusetts.

It took forever. But there she was,l finally, on Free Republic arguing with the birthers.

I think she met a real life Muslim person who convinced her that they weren't really interested in blowing up the world too. IIRC she was born Jewish and later coverted to Catholicism.

Other than her, no. I don't recall a soul.

But, I am sure that a rather large percentage of those birthers don't really believe what they write. They just do it to stir up the hate.

If you wanna try and convert a bither, good luck.

I gave that up long ago. I'll stick to mocking them on twitter.


when I can get back on the twitter machine.

Birthers are already converted. They are racists at heart, but have "converted" to birtherism because they think it makes them respectable (well, respectable in GOP circles).

Thank you but that's not my point.No offense but I think that the "Debunking The Lies" has outlived it's usefulness and has become a distraction. It's not that i enjoy mocking them, i do, it's just that there's more important things to do right now than talk about the latest stupidity from the likes of Orly, Dr. Kate, Farah, Corsi, Arpaio etc.

I think FogBow has a lot of potential and can do more to help Obama than just debunking the myth about him. FogBow can become the next Daily Kos if we focused more on real politics than "Carnival Barkers" IMO.

Ghost of Justin...

Kara -- Fogbow is not about electing or reelecting Obama. Not what we're here for. Maybe you were thinking of Politijab?

Without going into it too much, Fogbow was born because Politijab decided that it wanted to do exactly what you're suggesting.

R.I.P. Politijab.

Actually, Politijab had a lot more general politics anyway. But, it wasn't enough for the owner.

Too bad.

I think more general politics is a welcome thing. But don't even think about leaving the birfers to birf unchallenged.

But, don't even think about moving the focus. It won't happen. And 'debunking the lies' will never be old. This is one of the very few places a person can go to. (And mainstream media does come here to find it too.)

I did like the categories better for general politics at Politijab.

Go for it. I might join in. Not right away, I'm kinda having internet trubbles at the moment.

edit.

Go to your original first post. Change the Title there with an EDIT button selection.

Wow, did you pick a bad day to start this thread.

Arizona is clearly heating up rapidly. Bennett has birthed himself into a corner, Sheriff Joe just sent a deputy to Hawaii on the clock, and the guy who invented "Swiftboating" is heavily involved. And you think that now - shortly before the election - is a good time to stop shedding light on these cockroaches?