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Utter bullshit. This birther is making it up out of whole cloth. I suppose it's magical thinking, hoping that if s/he says it, it will somehow become true. Did you notice there's no citation to any law that would support any of the magical claims?

In addition, anyone purporting or pretending to write like a lawyer who spells "respondent" with an "a" is a fake.

The author should go back to building cargo cult models of airport control towers. Maybe tomorrow will be his/her lucky day.

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Note the author of that thing is Jon Roland.

Jon Roland was CEL3's friend. He does all that Sovereign Citizen stuff.

Here's a sample.

http://victimsoflaw.net/TX_LincolnTrials.htm

Toll sez they became enemies some time ago.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1897&p=76333&hilit=ROLAND#p76333

Who knows as of today?

Anyway, he's been doing pseudo law for a long time.

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We're back to the Situation Room photo. Mara Zebest jumps in. :P

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May 9, 2012
Strange Anomalies in the Famous Situation Room Photo
By Mara Zebest

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/ ... photo.html


That won't hurt her credibility a bit. :lol:




Eric Randall (the Atlantic) posted about Zebest's Sit Room Photoshopping theory. :P

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Maybe they have large faces? It's worth noting, of course, that the post's author Mara Zebest has used similar analysis to "prove" the president's birth certificate is a fake. Her argument didn't convince us, or many others. Bloomberg's Joshua Green tweets, "the new birtherism." "Birtheresque!" says Reuters' Jack Shafer. Our objections aren't so much technical as they are logical. Why would the White House Photoshop this particular photo in this way? If you were the White House, and you had a blank Photoshop slate from which to start, wouldn't you do something even more triumphant? Like, perhaps, Obama's fist pounding a giant red "KILL" button on his Oval Office desk or something? But hey, not everyone's so skeptical. The post piqued the interest of famed cleanser of the Romney staff Bryan Fischer. So there's that.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... job/52115/

I didn't carry over the links.

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 Post subject: Birther Potpourri
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Utter bullshit. This birther is making it up out of whole cloth. I suppose it's magical thinking, hoping that if s/he says it, it will somehow become true. Did you notice there's no citation to any law that would support any of the magical claims?

In addition, anyone purporting or pretending to write like a lawyer who spells "respondent" with an "a" is a fake.


......and the glaring double negative which conveys the exact opposite meaning to that intended wouldn't exactly encourage anyone to place confidence in the ability of the writer.....

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Therefore, Obama is not ineligible, even if he was born on U.S. soil, because he did not prove it within the time limit.


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He came out with some legal argument...

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The All Writs Act is codified simply in 28 USC § 1651(a) – Writs

(a) The Supreme Court and all courts established by Act of Congress may issue all writs necessary or appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to the usages and principles of law.

That includes the writ of quo warranto.

Federal Rules of Civil Procedure attempt to restrict this remedy, but it is properly regarded as one of the unenumerated rights, which cannot be restricted by statute or judicial rules.

RULE 81. APPLICABILITY OF THE RULES IN GENERAL; REMOVED ACTIONS

(a) Applicability to Particular Proceedings.

(4) Special Writs. These rules apply to proceedings for habeas corpus and for quo warranto to the extent that the practice in those proceedings:

(A) is not specified in a federal statute, the Rules Governing Section 2254 Cases, or the Rules Governing Section 2255 Cases; and

(B) has previously conformed to the practice in civil actions.

A writ is a kind of summons, therefore subject to Rule 4.

Time limits are defined in statute in 28 USC § 2243 for the writ of habeas corpus, but it is only a codification of the common law standard that applies to all writs:

The writ … shall be returned within three days unless for good cause additional time, not exceeding twenty days, is allowed.

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Even if his nonsense about having 20 days to respond to a writ of quo warranto or be forever banished wasn't out of the loony bin, how can he claim the President is ineligible when no such writ has ever been issued?

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Maybe he missed the distinction between some whackjob filing a petition for a writ of quo warranto and a judge actually issuing the writ.

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mimi wrote:
mimi wrote:
We're back to the Situation Room photo. Mara Zebest jumps in. :P

American thinker:

May 9, 2012
Strange Anomalies in the Famous Situation Room Photo
By Mara Zebest

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/ ... photo.html


That won't hurt her credibility a bit. :lol:



Eric Randall (the Atlantic) posted about Zebest's Sit Room Photoshopping theory. :P

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Maybe they have large faces? It's worth noting, of course, that the post's author Mara Zebest has used similar analysis to "prove" the president's birth certificate is a fake. Her argument didn't convince us, or many others. Bloomberg's Joshua Green tweets, "the new birtherism." "Birtheresque!" says Reuters' Jack Shafer. Our objections aren't so much technical as they are logical. Why would the White House Photoshop this particular photo in this way? If you were the White House, and you had a blank Photoshop slate from which to start, wouldn't you do something even more triumphant? Like, perhaps, Obama's fist pounding a giant red "KILL" button on his Oval Office desk or something? But hey, not everyone's so skeptical. The post piqued the interest of famed cleanser of the Romney staff Bryan Fischer. So there's that.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... job/52115/

I didn't carry over the links.

This has to be the stupidest claim ever by Zebest. So Obama's head is a different size so that means he's photoshopped in? Does she pay attention? The camera took a picture at an angle. Obama is actually further away at a diagonal. Even so the guy closest to him standing behind the general has about the same size head as him.

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Also, too, and the President is sitting forward, not straight back.

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mimi wrote:
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May 9, 2012
Strange Anomalies in the Famous Situation Room Photo
By Mara Zebest

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/ ... photo.html


OK, can someone help me out here? What is the actual theory behind why they would photoshop that picture? Am I just too old school to think that if you're at the Whitehouse, and all of those people are at the Whitehouse, and you want to fake a photo, you just sit them all down and snap a photo? You fake the scenario, and use a real photo. That's the easy way.

You know - like they faked the moon landing photos in the Arizona desert. They didn't need no steenkin' photoshop then, ya know. :roll:


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becasue they want to deny that Obama was sitting there in control at a critical time. They want tro deny the fact that the man that was killing in the White house conferance dinner a few hours before could be the guy that was sitting there with all those people around him. They want to deny he had anything to do with the Osama raid, that other people made the decision and he signed his name absent mindedly before reading some stuff from a teleprompter.

The want to deny the President any place on the decision process, becasue they want to believe the man is stupid

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becasue they want to deny that Obama was sitting there in control at a critical time. They want tro deny the fact that the man that was killing in the White house conferance dinner a few hours before could be the guy that was sitting there with all those people around him. They want to deny he had anything to do with the Osama raid, that other people made the decision and he signed his name absent mindedly before reading some stuff from a teleprompter.

The want to deny the President any place on the decision process, becasue they want to believe the man is stupid

It's their way of trying to not admit they elected George W. Bush twice. If they make Obama sound dumber than Bush they can feel better about themselves.

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The want to deny the President any place on the decision process, becasue they want to believe the man is stupid


Well, most of these people simply can't believe or accept the idea that an African-American person can, you know, actually be just as intelligent as "real people".

You see it all the time in the snotty comments about "Affirmative Action" and the like. That somehow the person they're questioning gamed the system or was somehow allowed to slide by, because, you know, "those people" can't possibly be as smart as whites.....

:evil: It makes me sick.

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You see it all the time in the snotty comments about "Affirmative Action" and the like. That somehow the person they're questioning gamed the system or was somehow allowed to slide by, because, you know, "those people" can't possibly be as smart as whites.....


One of the things that I find fascinating about the conspiracist side of Birthers is how they're not actually satisfied with comments about affirmative action. So Obama was a black guy who got into Columbia and Harvard Law School in the 1980s; whether or not he made it into those schools purely on merit or not, I can't say I'd be surprised at the notion that two Ivy League schools at that time may have factored in race as a consideration in admission. (I remember liberals making exactly those claims about Clarence Thomas, in fact.)

However, Birthers don't stop with claims of affirmative action. No, they insist on upping the ante, and claiming that his admission to those schools involved much more than race-conscious admissions standards...they claim there must have been powerful people pulling strings for Obama specifically to get into those schools. That he was recommended by radicals and financially supported by the families of domestic terrorists. They aren't content with merely pegging Obama as a beneficiary of affirmative action; they're compelled to depict him as nothing less than a real-life Manchurian candidate, a puppet of secret and powerful interests.

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Clarence Thomas acknowledged he was helped by affirmative action. Even as he condemned it for anyone else.

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In line with the "affirmative action" posts above, today Al Hendershot sez...

How Obama had managed to become the president of the Harvard Law Review Without Publishing Anything Of His Own

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Enter obama’s name and you will find nothing. search for any article or any proof of scholarship of obama and you will find ZERO results

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In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours a week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.

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That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

[...]

Obama was chosen because of affirmative action and because he was a “minority student”. Obama was not chosen because of any published writing skill. No published work equals ZERO proof obama is a “skilled writer”. There is no EVIDENCE obama ever did ANYTHING to qualify for the position of president of the Harvard Law Review except though AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for his minority.


lots more at the link

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Well, that's wrong. I have some idea how the Law Review works. And Barack Obama the student did have a publication -- a student case note. They are often unsigned.

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That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.


So how did that work -- did the minority students have better grades or higher regard among fellow students?

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The write on system meant that students who wrote well (but may not have tested that well in their first year) could become editors of the Law Review.

Bill Ayers Barack Obama is a very gifted writer. But I believe he got on the Review based on grades.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
The write on system meant that students who wrote well (but may not have tested that well in their first year) could become editors of the Law Review.


But how would that favor minority students?

(That was the snarky, if apparently opaque, intent of my question!)

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MaineSkeptic wrote:
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
The write on system meant that students who wrote well (but may not have tested that well in their first year) could become editors of the Law Review.


But how would that favor minority students?

(That was the snarky, if apparently opaque, intent of my question!)


It wouldn't. The birfer idiot is FOS and has no idea how anything works. Generally, write-ons are graded blind. The editors reviewing them do not even know the name of the submitters.

There are some law review selection processes to favor minority students to some degree, but I would be surprised if Harvard had one at that time.

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You see it all the time in the snotty comments about "Affirmative Action" and the like. That somehow the person they're questioning gamed the system or was somehow allowed to slide by, because, you know, "those people" can't possibly be as smart as whites.....


One of the things that I find fascinating about the conspiracist side of Birthers is how they're not actually satisfied with comments about affirmative action. So Obama was a black guy who got into Columbia and Harvard Law School in the 1980s; whether or not he made it into those schools purely on merit or not, I can't say I'd be surprised at the notion that two Ivy League schools at that time may have factored in race as a consideration in admission. (I remember liberals making exactly those claims about Clarence Thomas, in fact.)

However, Birthers don't stop with claims of affirmative action. No, they insist on upping the ante, and claiming that his admission to those schools involved much more than race-conscious admissions standards...they claim there must have been powerful people pulling strings for Obama specifically to get into those schools. That he was recommended by radicals and financially supported by the families of domestic terrorists. They aren't content with merely pegging Obama as a beneficiary of affirmative action; they're compelled to depict him as nothing less than a real-life Manchurian candidate, a puppet of secret and powerful interests.


You are dramatically understating the statements about affirmative action that are being made by even the less conspiracy-addled on the right.

The claim is not that Obama was helped by affirmative action. That is something that I think few would suggest is impossible, or, for that matter, unreasonable. The claim that is being made is that all Obama's academic achievements came about because of affirmative action. That they were entirely unearned. That he never would have been able to get in at all without affirmative action. It's meant to accompany the claims that the President cannot speak without a teleprompter; that he did not write - could not possibly have written - his books.

It is part of a set of claims that is designed to provide affirmation, confirmation, and validation to the assorted bigots and out-and-out racists that make up a substantial fraction of the Republican Party's base.

And the Conservative movement, as a whole, has become so thoroughly corrupted by the desire to win at any cost, so intellectually exhausted, so morally bankrupt that it is difficult to find a Conservative commentator who will even acknowledge the possibility that this is occurring, much less take a principled stand against it. It's pathetically easy, on the other hand, to find prominent Conservatives who encourage such behavior. You can't throw a stone without hitting one.

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Clarence Thomas acknowledged he was helped by affirmative action. Even as he condemned it for anyone else.


And he did not go to two Ivy League schools (Holy Cross is not an Ivy). He graduated from Yale Law School in 1974. Tremendous academic change took place between the early 1970s and the 1990s.

As for the notion that Obama did not have the intellectual skills, I guess Laurence Tribe's statement that Obama was the most brilliant student he'd ever had was just a big lie. :roll:

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The write on system meant that students who wrote well (but may not have tested that well in their first year) could become editors of the Law Review.

Obama then became the president/editor-in-chief/grand poobah of the HLR. I do not know the exact selection process for the top position at the HLR, but Obama was elected: He convinced a majority of those voting he was the best person for the job.

So, shockingly, a birther was wrong.

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Obama then became the president/editor-in-chief/grand poobah of the HLR. I do not know the exact selection process for the top position at the HLR, but Obama was elected: He convinced a majority of those voting he was the best person for the job.

So, shockingly, a birther was wrong.

I don't know about that. The dark forces behind Obama have managed to intimidate and buy off Congress, state and federal courts, the state of Hawai'i, etc. I wouldn't put it past Bill Ayers and George Soros to have put pressure on the editors so that their Manchurian candidate could continue his rise to power.

I mean heck, the birfers allege that the illuminate have been replacing microfish in libraries across the nation and having adult women pretend to be Obama's Photoshopped ex-girlfriends because we know no one knew him during his Columbia years.

This just seems so needlessly complicated though, all this trouble for sinister forces to control the three branches of the US government. I mean, if only there was some sort of way for people with power and money to influence elected officials disproportionately over their relatively small voting numbers. :-k Then they wouldn't have to install a usurper to get everything they want.

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