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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:45 am 
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Does anyone know how common rules like Hawaii's are? It seems to me that if most states have gone to the COLB certified abstracts as the official birth-record document and no longer allow anyone to obtain a copy of their long-form birth record, Missouri could end up in a situation where none of the major Presidential candidates would be eligible to be listed on the ballot, essentially disenfranchising all Missourians in the Presidential election.

Maybe it's not as common a thing as I'm thinking, but if the above scenario is at all plausible, then it sounds like someone forgot to do their homework before writing and pushing this bill. If it passes and becomes law, it could make for some fun *real* violation-of-civil-rights lawsuits.


I was born in Texas. I have a photo copy of my Texas "long form" that I got in the 70's. But they don't have those any more, at least in most cases. After all the birther stuff was going on, I decided to get another copy of my BC from Texas. What I got was a short form, quite similar to the Hawaii COLB. That is all most people can get from Texas any more. There are some exceptions that have to do with whether you were born before a certain year, in which case you could still get a long form of some kind, but that did not apply to me.

Oh, and contrary to the assertions of the Birftards, I was able to successfully use my short form to get a passport!

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I have yet to find a quote from Gov Nixon stating his intentions about this bill but did locate this. I'm unfamiliar with the author or site.
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At least there is some hope the bill will not make it onto the books. The Missouri Senate looks unlikely to take up the measure this session, and Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon has promised to veto the bill if it does, but I have a feeling this will not be going away anytime soon - and not just in Missouri.
http://www.bilerico.com/2012/03/missour ... hurdle.php


There have been some previous comments about when signed (or veto overridden) bills become law in Missouri. The default is 90 days after the legislature adjourns although the legislature may insert a later date in the bill which will override the default. From the Revised Statutes of Missouri (Title I Chapter 1 Section 1.130):
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1.130. A law passed by the general assembly takes effect ninety days after the adjournment of the session at which it is enacted...
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(2) In case the general assembly, as to a law not of the character herein specified, provides that the law takes effect on a date in the future subsequent to the expiration of the period of ninety days herein mentioned the law takes effect on the date thus fixed by the general assembly;
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C000-099/0010000130.HTM

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Why can't these assholes just say provide a certified copy of your birth certificate, and the SoS can attest to the fact it's been supplied? What's so friggin' difficult about that? I doubt anyone would object nor would there be any problems with what is supplied.

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Becasue such a law would be satisfied by the 2008 COLB published by President Obama, and these assholes know it. I mean I have no problem with a candidate simply having to present a birth certificate to run for president, but that would not stop the black guy in the white house. So they have to add on all these stupid and UNCONSITUTIONAL provisions onto their laws.

I lean what the hell is the "most complete record of birth avalible"? That could be stretched into having to provide every single bit of information the home state has, in violation of all privacy laws.

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Oh, and contrary to the assertions of the Birftards, I was able to successfully use my short form to get a passport!

Ahhh -- but try and get a POTUS diplomatic passport with it :twisted:


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KMOX: “Born in the USA” Bill Takes Another Step Forward
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Democratic Senator Robin Wright-Jones is upset over the so-called birther bill’s 4-to-1 passage out of a Senate committee.

”It’s racial and I really don’t want to talk about it. I really don’t. It doesn’t deserve to be lifted up and discussed. It really doesn’t. It’s a ridiculous piece of legislation.”

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It appears that Lucas Smith is on the job helping out the bill. He wrote this on his blog:

If the Missouri birther bill doesn’t pass the Missouri Senate it wont be my fault.

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With something in the neighborhood of two weeks left for the Missouri Senate to pass (or not pass) the bither bill I can’t be held accountable.

On the 30th day of March 2012 I received a call from Dave Whistler of Missouri.

In early April I had my first conversation with Whistler and he asked my about the letter that I sent to Nancy Pelosi back in 2010. I then informed him that he was referring to a letter that I sent to every single member of US Congress, each individually addressed.

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Whistler then went on to ask my, in a cryptic like manner, of my dealings, if any, with Orly Taitz.


Does the name Dave Whistler ring a bell?

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Missouri Constitution--Article III wrote:
Section 20(a). The general assembly shall adjourn at midnight on May thirtieth until the first Wednesday after the first Monday of January of the following year, unless it has adjourned prior thereto. All bills in either house remaining on the calendar after 6:00 p.m. on the first Friday following the second Monday in May are tabled. The period between the first Friday following the second Monday in May and May thirtieth shall be devoted to the enrolling, engrossing, and the signing in open session by officers of the respective houses of bills passed prior to 6:00 p.m. on the first Friday following the second Monday in May.
The general assembly shall automatically stand adjourned sine die at 6:00 p.m. on the sixtieth calendar day after the date of its convening in special session unless it has adjourned sine die prior thereto.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/const/A03020a.HTM

The 1st Friday after the 2nd Monday in May this year is May 18, 2012.

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Missouri HB 1046 NBC Status ( URGENT CALL TO ACTION)

Posted by By GeorgeMat 10 May, at 05 : 58 AM Print


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HB 1046 requires the President and Vice President to show best available evidence of Natural Born Citizen Status to be placed on the Missouri Ballot. I was required to show proof of eligibility in 2010, when I first ran for U.S. Senate. A problem was Identified and I plan on addressing it. The President and Vice President were not held to the same Constitutional requirement. So if we are to all play by the same set of Rules, what better place to start then at the very Top with the President and Vice President this year?

Today, I spoke with Sen Mayer and I asked him what the status of HB 1046 was since it was voted out of the Senate Elections committee on April 30. (This bill is referred to HB 1046 in the Senate, there is no Senate version) As it stands, Sen Kevin Enger is waiting for the Senator Pro Tem, Sen Mayer and The Senate Majority floor leader, Sen. Tom Dempsey to call it up from Sen Enger’s office. It’s Sen Dempsey job to schedule this Bill for a Vote. Senator Mayer told me that he would call it up this Friday, May 11 for a Senate Vote. We need Patriots to hold these two Senators accountable for upholding the U.S. Constitution at the same time starting the process for changes in policy to combat Document fraud at all levels in government.

Please call these two Senators and tell them you expect them to up-hold their oath of office and force all Federal candidates including the President and the Vice President to play by the same set of rules. After all President Obama says we need to all play by the same set of rules.

Calls need to be made this week. Next Friday is the end of session. Once the Bill is scheduled for a Vote, then we will have to call all Senators and make them pass this Bill. See attaced documents for reference material. Thank you.

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Posted by By GeorgeMat 10 May, at 05 : 58 AM

I was required to show proof of eligibility in 2010, when I first ran for U.S. Senate. A problem was Identified and I plan on addressing it.


So US Senators are required to show proof of eligibility, therefore President Obama already has "shown his papers", so if he were not natural born, it would be known.

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Missouri HB 1046 NBC Status ( URGENT CALL TO ACTION)
Posted by By GeorgeMat 10 May, at 05 : 58 AM Print

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Today, I spoke with Sen Mayer and I asked him what the status of HB 1046 was since it was voted out of the Senate Elections committee on April 30. (This bill is referred to HB 1046 in the Senate, there is no Senate version) As it stands, Sen Kevin Enger is waiting for the Senator Pro Tem, Sen Mayer and The Senate Majority floor leader, Sen. Tom Dempsey to call it up from Sen Enger’s office. It’s Sen Dempsey job to schedule this Bill for a Vote. Senator Mayer told me that he would call it up this Friday, May 11 for a Senate Vote. We need Patriots to hold these two Senators accountable for upholding the U.S. Constitution at the same time starting the process for changes in policy to combat Document fraud at all levels in government.
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There is no indication from either the Jefferson City newspaper (News Tribune) nor the Missouri House of Representatives site that indicates any action was taken on HB 1046 yesterday.

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The Senate's not meeting until Monday afternoon and last time I looked this bill wasn't on the calendar so I doubt if there'll be any action until Tuesday at the earliest.

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The Missouri birther bill has made it onto the Senate's 3rd reading calendar today. That doesn't guarantee that it'll come to vote today or indeed at all but it increases its chances.

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I notice that on the House side, it's still not on any calendar.

Calendar: Bill currently not on a House calendar

Missouri House bill status

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I notice that on the House side, it's still not on any calendar.

Calendar: Bill currently not on a House calendar

Missouri House bill status


That page isn't that trustworthy once a bill moves over to the Senate. MO's IT sytems aren't very "joined up"

Senate calendar is here.

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HB 1046 is on the Senate calendar for May 17. In fairness to my state senators, they have been extremely busy with an issue they believe to be a state-wide 5 alarm emergency.

Page 1849:
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http://www.senate.mo.gov/12info/Journal ... #toolbar=1

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"Columbia Daily Tribune wrote:
Gov. Jay Nixon will decide whether the University of Kansas Jayhawk will adorn a Missouri license plate.
The Senate, on a 29-0 vote, on Wednesday evening sent a bill dealing with several higher education issues, including the Jayhawk license plate, to Nixon.
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Under the provisions sent to Nixon, only the logos or mascots of college and universities in Missouri would be allowed on state license plates.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/201 ... sue-nixon/


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No mention of HB 1046 on todays Daily Action.
http://www.senate.mo.gov/12info/BTS_Web ... =5/17/2012

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combatengineer wrote:
I notice that on the House side, it's still not on any calendar.

Calendar: Bill currently not on a House calendar

Missouri House bill status


That page isn't that trustworthy once a bill moves over to the Senate. MO's IT sytems aren't very "joined up"

Senate calendar is here.


Yes, it's on the Senate Calendar, however no matter what action happens to the bill in the Senate, it still would need to be scheduled for a vote on the House floor. Calendar shows no movement in that direction as far as I can see.

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"Columbia Daily Tribune wrote:
Gov. Jay Nixon will decide whether the University of Kansas Jayhawk will adorn a Missouri license plate.
The Senate, on a 29-0 vote, on Wednesday evening sent a bill dealing with several higher education issues, including the Jayhawk license plate, to Nixon.
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Under the provisions sent to Nixon, only the logos or mascots of college and universities in Missouri would be allowed on state license plates.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/201 ... sue-nixon/

Hmmm - a next legal battle envisioned: are these mascots allowed to be created or must they have evolved #-o


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Looks like HB 1046 has been taken off life support. The Senate has adjourned until Tuesday, May 22.
Missouri State Senate--Senate Action wrote:
HB 1046 - Rowland - Requires presidential and vice presidential candidates to submit valid birth certificates

5/18/2012 -- Bill Placed on Informal Calendar
http://www.senate.mo.gov/12info/BTS_Web ... =5/18/2012

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I'm not sure what is happening. although the Senate website says it's adjorned until 22nd it also says that the regular session ended today. Maybe they're meeting next week for a special session on something.

The bill itself has been moved to the "Informal calendar" which I've never fully understood but I believe it's a sort of limbo for bills that haven't yet got enough votes to pass.

To correct combatengineer the bill has already passed in House.

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I'm not sure what is happening. although the Senate website says it's adjorned until 22nd it also says that the regular session ended today. Maybe they're meeting next week for a special session on something.
The bill itself has been moved to the "Informal calendar" which I've never fully understood but I believe it's a sort of limbo for bills that haven't yet got enough votes to pass.

To correct combatengineer the bill has already passed in House.

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One of the traditions at the Missouri legislature (House and Senate) on the final legislative day is to throw meaningless pieces of paper into the air immediately after the session is gaveled to a close. All those formerly important bills, amendments, substitutes, objections etc are now worthless pieces of paper.
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http://www.newstribune.com/news/2012/ma ... successes/
The birther bill has officially been declared trash by the Missouri Senate and its janitors.

Another tradition is to always declare the session a success, which of course the Republicans immediately did.


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Just tying up a loose end. The State Senate did meet yesterday to approve a few resolutions (confirmations maybe) and is now adjorned until 30th May when it will be adjorned sine die.

So the bill is now most sincerely dead.

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Submitted by Parker on December 4, 2012 - 2:29pm
If you thought Birtherism would cease to exist upon the reelection of President Obama, you'd be wrong. Especially when it comes to the Missouri Legislature.

Rep. Lyle Rowland (R-Cedarcreek) prefiled HB 41 today, the summary of which states:
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Requires proof of identity and status as a United States natural born citizen for the office of President and Vice President to be submitted with other required certification documents to the Secretary.

No word yet on whether newly minted Speaker, and Missouri's original birther, Tim Jones (R-Eureka) will cosponsor the latest edition of radical birtherism.

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Rowland sponsored H.B. 1046.

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