Mississippi Ballot Challenge (ACT I & I.5) :)

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:27 pm

Penguin 0302 wrote:

Offtopic :

kate520 wrote:

Penguin 0302, or Pengu, as I think of you, will you mosey over to the introduce yourself thread and do so? Pretty please with sugar magnolias on top...well, maybe not on top but somewhere. :oops:

You want me to start a thread!?! About me ?!? OK, the sugar magnolias are powerfully enticing. Will do before posting in a thread again. Thx for the heads up.

Offtopic :

You do not haz to Penguin, not a requirement, but you seem to be very knowledgeable for a newbie and we always like to get a little idea where people are coming from, how they learned about birfers and how they found Fogbow. Just be sure not to give any identifying info as birthers have been known to contact Obots' employers and such nastiness.

ObjectiveDoubter · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:28 pm

jtmunkus wrote:

- I don't think she actually cc's all the entities on her lists. But I do think she'll copy the California State Bar this time.

It would be nice to be certain. They really need to see thiswork of art pile of poo.

Sugar Magnolia · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:44 pm

kate520 wrote:

Thanks, Loh, for the explanation.

Penguin 0302, or Pengu, as I think of you, will you mosey over to the introduce yourself thread and do so? Pretty please with sugar magnolias on top...well, maybe not on top but somewhere. :oops:

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PatGund · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 4:12 pm

borealis wrote:

She CC'd CA bar too. Can they do something now?

Once the California State Bar's ethics panel finishes their softball game with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster, I'm sure they'll attend to it.

Penguin 0302 · **Joined:** Sun May 06, 2012 3:40 pm **Posts:** 423

Lol @ Sugar Magnolias

Chilidog wrote:

From the comments at Lena's

Quote:

Faina Baskov
May 7th, 2012 @ 10:13 am
Who do these bully boy attorneys think they are, going after a patriot like you? Do they think they can stop you? Not our Freedom Fighter! You are the only one actively trying to keep our country from going socialist, like France did getting rid of that nice Sarkozy who was leading them out of the socialist fog and into the bleaching sunlight of conservatism. We need to bleach our leaders, too.

Iffn you ask me, that's a troll. I don't know if Faina Baskov is a prolific/regular poster at Orly's site, so I make my claim without prejudice.

It's too flattering to her and over the top with the "nice Sarkozy" and "bleaching sunlight of conservatism" bits. I'm thinking this is someone trying to get Orly's attention and making fun of her somewhere else (ie private message board). Perhaps even getting "points" if she directly responds.

kate520 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 4:23 pm

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Mikedunford · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 4:26 pm

nbc wrote:

borealis wrote:

She CC'd CA bar too. Can they do something now?

The filing of a complaint with the MS bar may be protected as a privileged publication but I wonder if she, by sending the complaint to others, she may not have opened herself up to legal liabilities.
IANAL...

I just took a quick stroll through the Mississippi State Bar's Rules of Discipline.
http://courts.ms.gov/rules/msrulesofcou ... ipline.pdf

Rule 14(a) grants privilege to complaints:

Quote:

RULE 14. IMMUNITY FROM CIVIL SUIT - RIGHT TO SUE

(a) All complaints filed, statements made and documents or other tangible things
produced pursuant hereto shall be absolutely privileged, and no civil suit predicated therein
may be instituted, and each person, firm, association or legal entity filing such a complaint
shall be immune from any civil suit pending thereon.

Rule 14(a) is great for Orly. Rule 14(b)? Not so much:

Quote:

(b) In an action separate and distinct from the disciplinary proceedings, the attorney
may, by petition filed with the clerk of the Court, seek a finding by the Court or its special
master on the issue of malicious prosecution, abuse of process, malicious publication to
persons not authorized to receive information pertaining to matters arising under these rules,
slander or libel. If the Court finds or approves a finding by a special master that there
appears to or may have been malicious prosecution, abuse of process, defamation of
character, slander or libel, the court shall enter its order granting the right to sue,
notwithstanding the immunity provided above.

Rule 15 discusses confidentiality. The relevant parts of Rule 15 appear to be (c) & (d):

Quote:

(c) These rules shall not prohibit any complainant, the accused attorney, or any
witnesses from discussing publicly the existence of the proceeding under these rules or from
disclosing any information relating thereto, including the disclosing of any documents
involved in the disciplinary proceeding.
(d) Statements made pursuant to Rule 15(c), in whatever form or by whatever means,
outside the disciplinary process shall not enjoy the immunity provided in Rule 14.

I'm going to go way out on a limb here, and suggest that Orly might, possibly, have maybe, I don't know, really made a mistake this time.

AnitaMaria · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:41 pm **Posts:** 2095

ORYR is rubbing it in:

Quote:

US Magistrate Judge in Mississippi Stays Discovery in Taitz v DPM Obama Ballot Challenge

I wonder why he sees through Orly's BS but buys all the other birfer nonsense... :-k

MsDaisy · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 pm

So my IANAL question is will she include in this complaint to the Bar, (and copy to the CA Bar) the entire 200+ page document submitted by B&T that has so offended her? Or will she just leave out all references to her completely frivolous ravings and total legal incompetence and just submit the page with the BC? Knowing OT’s ability to include what she wants if she thinks it will help her and excluding things like the decision in GA that she considers irrelevant or doesn't want anyone to see, makes me wonder. I think the CA Bar would benefit greatly from reading that entire document.

If I were Mr. Tepper I would certainly want them to see it in its entirety.

Piffle · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 4:45 pm

AnitaMaria wrote:

ORYR is rubbing it in:

Quote:

US Magistrate Judge in Mississippi Stays Discovery in Taitz v DPM Obama Ballot Challenge

I wonder why he sees through Orly's BS but buys all the other birfer nonsense... :-k

Love the comments. Anonymous, of course, is quite right. That is, of course, except when Anonymous is wrong.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23522

Piffle wrote:

AnitaMaria wrote:

ORYR is rubbing it in:

Quote:

US Magistrate Judge in Mississippi Stays Discovery in Taitz v DPM Obama Ballot Challenge

I wonder why he sees through Orly's BS but buys all the other birfer nonsense... :-k

Love the comments. Anonymous, of course, is quite right. That is, of course, except when Anonymous is wrong.

Which anonymous? Just about everyone over there "anonymous". Except Bob from Ohio, of course, which makes him not anonymous. :lol:

katyana27 · **Joined:** Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:19 pm **Posts:** 8

Is the bar complaint posted anywhere other than Orly's website? I want to read it, but don't want to wander over there..

nbc · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:38 am **Posts:** 2529

Again, I am not a lawyer, and this is purely based on my hobby/fascination to research matters of interest. Since some people on the Fogbow believe that my research somehow was helping Orly, I will refrain from further contributions on this site regarding this matter.

tjh · **Joined:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 2472

Fine? Imprisonment? Both! Please !!!

Edit: Sorry for posting stuff that would be self-evident to anyone other than The Obly

Paul Lentz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 6:17 pm

MsDaisy · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 6:18 pm

nbc wrote:

Again, I am not a lawyer, and this is purely based on my hobby/fascination to research matters of interest

Quote:

§ 73-3-343. Confidentiality of matters under investigation and proceedings — penalties.

All disciplinary agencies of the court, all court reporters, clerks, witnesses and parties are strictly enjoined to keep and maintain confidential all things concerning the matters under investigation and the proceedings thereon; provided, however, all proceedings before any complaint tribunal and in the court may be public if requested by the accused attorney... . Violation of this section or any part hereof shall be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars ($500.00) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than thirty (30) days or by both. (Emphasis added).

Didn’t Orly just mention something recently to the effect of, “At least Al Capone got convicted of tax evasion”? =))

MrBrown · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:21 pm **Posts:** 411

tjh wrote:

Fine? Imprisonment? Both! Please !!!

btw, I don't think that The Obly even followed the procedure.

Quote:

To request a Complaint Form, please provide a mailing address as Complaint Forms cannot be faxed or e-mailed.

...

Quote:

Filing a complaint of unprofessional conduct against a Mississippi lawyer is a serious matter. It immediately puts into action the investigative and judicial processes of The Mississippi Bar. By law, the Bar is an arm of the Supreme Court of Mississippi which receives and investigates complaints alleging unethical conduct by lawyers licensed in Mississippi. The lawyer inevitably suffers from the accusation, regardless of whether any misconduct is ultimately found. But, if you believe the complaint is well-founded, by all means make it! A complaint cannot be withdrawn once it has been received in this office.

Interesting points, but what authority or punitive ability does the MS Bar have over the vex lit from CaliforMoldava
who is throwing poop around their lawn ? I assume that CA Bar and a court have the only ability to spank her.

That being said, earlier Piffle made the excellent point about how THIS could be the case that drives a stake into the heart of the birther zombie - IF the court decides to dig into the lack of merit and chronic abuse of procedures and the the extensive history of ruling against the birthers. Instead of merely dismissing the suit, do what other courts have done; dismiss and comment on the nature of the complaint and plaintiffs.
Slap a big fat FRIVOLOUS label on them, one that will be attached to the birthers forever.

Why can't defense counsel(s) plead the court for just such a death blow ruling ?

Piffle · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 6:28 pm

Paul Lentz wrote:

Basically, through her own fucked-up, diseased, and uncontrollable hatred and intolerance, it is only Oily whose chunky ass is now exposed and on the line.

No one will think less of Begley or Tepper because of the foam-spittled ravings of a rabid lunatic.

In this instance, an empty-chair defense borders on being an overreaction.

Paul Lentz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 6:51 pm

tjh · **Joined:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 2472

A follower on another site : "They'll never catch Oily alive. She's too slippery."

kingfish · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:34 pm **Posts:** 28

The truth is the Mississippi Bar is pro-attorney. They make it as hard as possible to file bar complaints. There is no form online. They will not email it or fax it to you. You either have to pick it up or request it by mail, and that is AFTER you talk to Mr. Waddle on the phone, who all too often tries to talk you out of filing the complaint. Post I wrote several years ago when I was just learning how to blog about the sad state of the Mississippi Bar. http://kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... legal.html

Sugar Magnolia · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 7:05 pm

Paul Lentz wrote:

Piffle wrote:

Paul Lentz wrote:

Basically, through her own fucked-up, diseased, and uncontrollable hatred and intolerance, it is only Oily whose chunky ass is now exposed and on the line.

No one will think less of Begley or Tepper because of the foam-spittled ravings of a rabid lunatic.

In this instance, an empty-chair defense borders on being an overreaction.

Indeed.

However, it is my hope that Mr. Begley (particularly) and Mr. Tepper will not let this "complaint" slide, or ignore it. I don't believe the MS Bar will even involve itself in the complaint (it will be rejected for improper form alone, so I doubt that there's going to be any need to defend the complaint through the MS Bar disciplinary process). But I hope that they will not just ignore this (however clumsy and ineffective) attempt at defamation (although, on the other hand, I sincerely don't believe that either will suffer any actual damages from Oily's screwed-up nonsense "complaint").

And yeah, it's mighty easy to me to say, "defend and respond aggressively" when it isn't my time or my nickel on the line to pay for it. I'm just so damn tired of Oily getting away with her nasty bullshit simply because it's easier and more efficient to ignore her.

Don't overlook the fact that WE know the history of Orly and how little a bar complaint coming from her actually means. That doesn't necessarily mean the average Mississippian does. A year from now or five years from, it will just be a name on a list when someone asks if he's ever had a bar complaint against him. (This is all opinion based on the complaint actually being filed correctly.)

Piffle · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 7:10 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:

Don't overlook the fact that WE know the history of Orly and how little a bar complaint coming from her actually means. That doesn't necessarily mean the average Mississippian does. A year from now or five years from, it will just be a name on a list when someone asks if he's ever had a bar complaint against him. (This is all opinion based on the complaint actually being filed correctly.)

A year from now, the correct and truthful answer will be "No". Count on it.

Further affiant sayeth naught.

kate520 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 7:15 pm

If what Mr. Kingfish had to say on the matter is true, Oily is going to be in a world of hurt when the :hitthefan:

next week.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23522

I have an excellent idea. Why don't we look up the MS Disciplinary Bar and then post links to it, then copy and paste the rules from it, explain how to file a proper MS bar complaint, maybe even fill out the forms properly then send them to Orly.

And hey, while we're at it let's research the applicable case law and send it to her, perhaps even write a brief.

I suspect Mr. Begley and Mr. Tepper would greatly appreciate that, as would any attorney who has been hit with a frivolous bar complaint.

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Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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