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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:15 am 
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Boy, this guy really knows how to spin things. From his Facebook page (for now, at least. He'll probably delete the thread):

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Poor evaluations?? would love to see those... finances... hey made some mistakes.. learned from them.. debt free now...


Um, yeah. I guess most people with a credit score under 200 are indeed "debt free."

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Marine who criticized Obama on Facebook: I wish I could take it back

Sgt. Gary Stein, the 26-year-old Marine who learned Wednesday he would be discharged for his online comments criticizing President Barack Obama, wishes he could take it back.

“People ask me, ‘Would you go back and change those words?’ I would most definitely,” Stein told msnbc.com. “I would articulate my point better.” ...

And he said he has also apologized to the president.

“If he was in front of me right now, I would salute him, say, ‘Yes, Mr. President, No, Mr. President,’ and when I walked away, I would still disagree with his policies. But those are two separate things.”

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:00 pm 
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Gary Stein, Discharged Tea Party Marine, Scared But Not Retreating After Punishment

Gary Stein, the former Marine sergeant who received an other-than-honorable discharge after posting derogatory material about President Barack Obama on a Facebook page, isn't recoiling despite some admitted fears following his punishment.

In a recent interview with CBS, Stein said the controversy had left him concerned for his wife, his children and himself.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/gary-stein-marine-discharged-tea-party_n_1477292.html

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And he said he has also apologized to the president.

“If he was in front of me right now, I would salute him, say, ‘Yes, Mr. President, No, Mr. President,’ and when I walked away, I would still disagree with his policies. But those are two separate things.”


Gee, if you had just said something like that before this when you were warned about doing this shit then you might not have your ass thrown on the pavement, genius.

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Kreep shakes Ex-Sgt. Stein's money-maker at ...

https://garystein.us/

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The purpose of this site, sponsored by the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), is to provide supporters of the Constitution, and of Sgt. Gary Stein, an avenue to help fund his defense, and to assist his victory over these wrongful charges. All donations to USJF are tax deductible to the extent allowed by law


The Kreepster seems to be taking on more and more craziness. Wonder if he handles stress as well as Orly? :-

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Kreep shakes Ex-Sgt. Stein's money-maker at ...

https://garystein.us/

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The purpose of this site, sponsored by the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), is to provide supporters of the Constitution, and of Sgt. Gary Stein, an avenue to help fund his defense, and to assist his victory over these wrongful charges. All donations to USJF are tax deductible to the extent allowed by law


The Kreepster seems to be taking on more and more craziness. Wonder if he handles stress as well as Orly? :-



He knows it's a loser. This is nothing more than a money-making scheme for him.

He's got another way to funnel money to his USJF. That foundation has consistently rated low.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... rgid=11009

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Does this mean "All donations to USJF are not tax deductible at all"? :-k

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Does this mean "All donations to USJF are not tax deductible at all"? :-k


Anyone seen the 501 paperwork???

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Kreep shakes Ex-Sgt. Stein's money-maker at ...

https://garystein.us/

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The purpose of this site, sponsored by the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), is to provide supporters of the Constitution, and of Sgt. Gary Stein, an avenue to help fund his defense, and to assist his victory over these wrongful charges. All donations to USJF are tax deductible to the extent allowed by law


The Kreepster seems to be taking on more and more craziness. Wonder if he handles stress as well as Orly? :-



He knows it's a loser. This is nothing more than a money-making scheme for him.

He's got another way to funnel money to his USJF. That foundation has consistently rated low.



Even so, he's taking in almost $3million/year. That's a lot of stars & stripes ties

(speaking of ties, don't these RWNJs know that it's disrespectful to the flag to wear it as a piece of clothing?)

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Surprise surprise! Stein makes a birther 'joke' on his Facebook page:

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Gary Stein · 8,017 like this.
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President Obama was in Hollywood for a fundraiser. Forty grand a plate — because nothing says "man of the people" like demanding 40 grand for some rubbery chicken.

Insiders say Obama's pretty comfortable around actors. He should be. He has been "acting" like he was born in Hawaii for a long time


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Surprise surprise! Stein makes a birther 'joke' on his Facebook page:

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Gary Stein · 8,017 like this.
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President Obama was in Hollywood for a fundraiser. Forty grand a plate — because nothing says "man of the people" like demanding 40 grand for some rubbery chicken.

Insiders say Obama's pretty comfortable around actors. He should be. He has been "acting" like he was born in Hawaii for a long time


Of course, the menu was actually catered by Wolfgang Puck.

It's the pugs who do the rubbery chicken schtick. And of course, people like Stein himself who eat a Big Chicken Dinner.

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It's the pugs who do the rubbery chicken schtick. And of course, people like Stein himself who eat a Big Chicken Dinner.


He almost made it to the BCD Special....the result is similar though.
(A Bad Conduct Discharge can only be adjudged by a BCD Special Court Marshal or a General CM.)

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A Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) can only be given by a court-martial (either Special or General) as punishment to an enlisted service-member. Bad conduct discharges are often preceded by a period of confinement in a military prison. The discharge itself is not executed until completion of both confinement and the appellate review process.

Virtually all veterans' benefits are forfeited by a Bad Conduct Discharge; BCD recipients are eligible for VA disability compensation, as the only discharge that forfeits all VA benefits in full is the Dishonorable Discharge.


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Other Than Honorable (OTH)

An OTH is the most severe form of administrative discharge. This type of discharge represents a serious departure from the conduct and performance expected of all military members. OTH discharges are typically given to service members convicted by a civilian court in which a sentence of confinement has been adjudged or in which the conduct leading to the conviction brings discredit upon the service. It can also be given as the result of certain civil hearings, like divorce for adultery. OTH discharges can be accepted in-lieu of court-martial proceedings at the service-member's request. Persons facing OTH are guaranteed, by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the right to have their discharge heard by an administrative discharge board, which is similar to a court-martial but is not a public forum.

Recipients of OTH discharges are barred from reenlisting into any component of the Armed Forces (including the reserves), and are normally barred from joining the Army National Guard or Air National Guard, except under rare circumstances that require exception-to-policy waivers. As of September 2006, all 50 states had policies barring the reenlistment of OTH discharge recipients.


Comparison of OTH with BCD (Navy Times)

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Q: I’m facing an other-than-honorable discharge. Can you explain the difference between that and a bad-conduct discharge?

There are major differences in the process of how each discharge is reached, but in terms of the end result, an other-than-honorable discharge and a bad-conduct discharge are virtually the same. Both have similar and severe repercussions.

The difference is that an OTH discharge is administrative, and a bad-conduct discharge is punitive. Those facing OTH discharges will have their case heard by an administrative separation board, while anyone receiving a bad-conduct discharge will be discharged after conviction by a special or general court-martial.

An OTH discharge goes on a service member’s permanent military service record, while a bad-conduct discharge out of a court-martial amounts, roughly, to a low-level criminal conviction in the civilian world.

Nearly everything else is the same


Basically, he eff'ed up. ](*,) ](*,)

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Stein's back in the news. He wants to bring Tea Party rule to his now home town, Murrieta CA.:

http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/tea- ... ty-council

Judging by the comments, he may have some mountains to climb. :thumbsdown:

For those who haven't already seen it, here's the story of his tribulations as a Marine:

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items ... 0.23.4.pdf

http://ia601204.us.archive.org/20/items ... 0.23.7.pdf

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He lost his latest battle in Federal District Court. CAAFLog has a copy of the ruling: http://www.caaflog.com/wp-content/uploa ... ruling.pdf


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He lost his latest battle in Federal District Court. CAAFLog has a copy of the ruling: http://www.caaflog.com/wp-content/uploa ... ruling.pdf

Thanks for posting this, Maybenaut. Nice to see the system work the way it's supposed to =D>

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He lost his latest battle in Federal District Court. CAAFLog has a copy of the ruling: http://www.caaflog.com/wp-content/uploa ... ruling.pdf


Judge Huff wrote a very thorough opinion on why this is a military matter and the court should not stick its nose into it based on Mindes v. Seaman, 453 F.2d 197 (5th Cir. 1971), and Wenger v. Monroe,282 F.3d 1068 (9th Cir. 2002).

Remember Gary the Kreep was one of Stein's three USJF paid attorneys at the Administrative Separation Board hearing last April. I don't know if the three attorneys who filed the this case for Stein are from the USJF or not.

Judge Huff did give Stein 30 days to file an amended complaint but it appears to me his only recourse is through the Board for Correction of Naval Records or the Naval Discharge Review Board as Judge Huff pointed out in the decision.

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He lost his latest battle in Federal District Court. CAAFLog has a copy of the ruling: http://www.caaflog.com/wp-content/uploa ... ruling.pdf

Thanks for posting this, Maybenaut. Nice to see the system work the way it's supposed to =D>

He strikes me as another guy out for the bucks. His lawyers had to know that he would have to exhaust his administrative remedies as a jurisdictional prerequisite to suing in federal court, and that this would be the result. But the Board for Correction of Naval Records can take a very long time to issue a decision (as I understand it, there's no set time limit, but the Department of the Navy has to report to Congress every year the number of BCNR cases that have languished in the system longer than 10 months -- or at least it was that way last time I looked it up). And the public is fickle. By then, maybe nobody will care. Now he gets to continue to rail on about how he got screwed by the system.


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This suit is another disgraceful and seditious birther fantasy played out at taxpayer expense. It is notable that these turds, purporting to worship the military, attempt to jump the queue and skip appealing administratively. The lawyers and Stein had to know there was zero chance of this bullshit succeeding, but they wasted everyone's time anyway.

And Stein himself is just another angry moron trying to pretend racism is patriotism. Fuck that guy. I only wish they could go back and actually court-martial the son of a bitch and give him a full dishonorable discharge, as he deserved.

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IMHO - he didn't like what the military lawyers told him, so he compounded the issues by hiring scam artist and incompetents to speak for him.
No court is going to change the fact that the Military is a closed society where the justice administered is "military justice" as CONGRESS and the US CONSTITUTION REQUIRE.

Not exhausting his admin remedies seems to be a loser for lots of these folks.

He was a Sergeant - while not a commissioned officer - he WAS an officer of the United States Government - a Non-Commissioned Officer.

Edit: And as a leader of junior soldiers this bad attitude apple can really spoil a large barrel of good troops.

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He lost his latest battle in Federal District Court. CAAFLog has a copy of the ruling: http://www.caaflog.com/wp-content/uploa ... ruling.pdf


Judge Huff wrote a very thorough opinion on why this is a military matter and the court should not stick its nose into it based on Mindes v. Seaman, 453 F.2d 197 (5th Cir. 1971), and Wenger v. Monroe,282 F.3d 1068 (9th Cir. 2002).

Remember Gary the Kreep was one of Stein's three USJF paid attorneys at the Administrative Separation Board hearing last April. I don't know if the three attorneys who filed the this case for Stein are from the USJF or not.

Judge Huff did give Stein 30 days to file an amended complaint but it appears to me his only recourse is through the Board for Correction of Naval Records or the Naval Discharge Review Board as Judge Huff pointed out in the decision.


It appears that Mr. Loy is with the ACLU in San Diego. Mr. Nathaniel Oleson worked with the Kreep at USJF.

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Stein's back in the news. He wants to bring Tea Party rule to his now home town, Murrieta CA.:


Big mouth bad boy may have taken out papers for the city council race in Murrieta CA but he wasn't on the ballot. The other Marine mentioned in the story was and won a seat.

I'm glad the decision came down against him. Bed,made, lie, dude.

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Here are the CAAFLOG articles tagged 'Gary Stein':

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