Which again prompts for the question: Just how did OT manage to pass the CA Bar exam?

Well, I think she cheated, but I probably should point out that the bar exam doesn't actually have all that much of a focus on procedural issues. There are some questions, but a lot of the exam is focused on the type of lawyering that doesn't generally involve litigation, like wills & trusts, real property, contracts, etc. I've known lawyers who are damn near afraid to set foot inside a court house but make a pretty decent living writing wills, leases, etc. So its possible that she just managed to skirt by. I figure the on-line law school course she took is essentially a 4-year long bar review course.

On the other hand, maybe she hired a ringer to complete the law school program as well. Give that its all online, I don't suppose there is any way for the school to know who is actually submitting assignments under a given name or student ID.

Taitz doesn't show any more knowledge of substantive law than she does of procedure. I vote for the ringer theory.

^^^^THIS

Long ago I opined that not only could she not have passed the bar, but that I also didn't believe she took the "classes" at Taft, rather that someone else did both in her name.

To pass classes, even at Taft, you'd think she would have to know how to do basic legal research, and to pass the bar she'd have to know what laws to apply to the questions. She can do neither, much less know anything about very basic procedure.

I still don't believe she took the course or the bar exam.

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=PL6VLVgQEIM%3d&tabid=270&mid=635
July 2011 Bar Exam

Taft Law School
First time takers: 6 Pass: 0 - 0%
Repeat takers: 13 Pass: 1 - 8%

I think that Taft's grading criteria is based on how long it takes the tuition check to clear.

As for the Bar exam, as far as we know, Orly was not so un-hinged at that time.

Orly can't even fill in forms correctly. To think that she sat for a several hours long test, which required her to write thoughtful essay questions that cite appropriate law, stretches credulity to say the least. Even if you are only good at writing tests and not at the real world application, that ability shows in your writing. Orly has demonstrated nothing to show that she is capable of passing any first year university test, much less the California bar exam. Maybe she has severely deteriorated in the past few years, but that's a big stretch.

I think this is true. O'rly may well be someone who has (or had) a good short term memory. I'm no shrink so I can't say, but from all appearances it looks as if she has lost most of her marbles.

Raicha is going to spank you!

Ya like, it would be the first time?

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The California bar exam like all other state bars does not test how to file documents or how to read and apply local court rules. The closest law class that comes to learning court rules is the first year class called Civil Procedure. That course deals with jurisdictional issues such as in rem and In personam jurisdiction. The most famous case is International Shoe which addressed the issue of a court having jurisdiction of an out of state defendant corporation.

In Orly's case, after she "passed" the bar she was "eligible" to practice law without having to learn to understand or read local court rules. It is like giving a loaded gun to a two year old

The licensing requirements for most professions is based on the three "E"s, education, experience and examination. The exam is often touted as an efficient way of eliminating those applicants who are not minimally competent to practice. While we can conjecture all we want about whether Orly passed an exam, the fact remains that the State of California says she did. Orly passing the California Bar is the best example I have that licensing exams are not a proper measure of whether someone is professionally competent. Apparently, the curriculum at Taft Law School is sufficiently rigorous for someone like Orly to pass the bar.

As we liked to say where I grew up, Atticus, "has just enough knowledge to be dangerous."

There's a lot to be said for requiring completion of a law degree at a real brick ABA law school before permitting someone to be licensed as an attorney. If O'rly were somehow admitted to a real law school at this point, she would wash out at the first mid term exam. You know it. I know it. The only problem is she is so clueless, she doesn't know it.

I await O'rly's response to the B&T filing. We already know what it's going to say, don't we?

The California bar exam like all other state bars does not test how to file documents or how to read and apply local court rules. The closest law class that comes to learning court rules is the first year class called Civil Procedure. That course deals with jurisdictional issues such as in rem and In personam jurisdiction. The most famous case is International Shoe which addressed the issue of a court having jurisdiction of an out of state defendant corporation.

In Orly's case, after she "passed" the bar she was "eligible" to practice law without having to learn to understand or read local court rules. It is like giving a loaded gun to a two year old[/quote]

It's a shame that an exam for full licensure would allow such a criminally incompetent professional to slip through the cracks.

This is a problem in medicine too, but less so with the requirement for residency.

Hell, I think after reading The Fogbow that I could take the bar with a better score than Orly's REAL score.

I believe a clinical requirement would fix this problem with attorney licensing. Legal clinics, which assist real clients with real legal problems, benefit both the public and the attorneys who are about to be unleashed on the world.

However, I don't think Orly is an example of this problem. She is someone so stupid and deranged that to this day I continue to disbelieve that she even passed the bar. The California bar is notoriously tough, and just like the bar exams in any other state, requires objective knowledge of at least basic legal principles. Orly doesn't demonstrate that in any of her filings.

To play Devil's advocate a bit, I note that Orly has on a number of occasions correctly pointed out deficiencies in the filings of her opponents, although her knowledge of these deficiencies has usually originated from rulings against herself.

And if not from rulings against her, there are other explanations, not the least of which is time spent reading TFB, Doc's and a couple of other sites that do not routinely suppress comments posted by non-morons.

One of the things I really like about UH's law school is that the graduation requirements include a minimum of 2 credits of clinical work and 60 hours of pro bono service.



Agreed. I'm a skeptic. I love to play devil's advocate. I've been dealing with conspiracy theorists of one kind or another for a very long time, and I'm very aware of the danger of falling into that mindset. I was very dismissive of raicha's ideas about someone else taking the bar for Orly for a very long time, but I'm a believer now.

She can't fill out forms correctly on the first attempt. (Or, frequently, on the second, third, or fourth.)
She cannot read, understand, and apply a statute.
She does not appear to know how to research anything.
She does not appear to know when or how to cite cases.
She is so fundamentally ignorant of the basics of the legal system that she tried to argue that an administrative tribunal in Georgia is a court of competent jurisdiction for the purposes of Hawai'i state law.
She has argued that allegedly being married to someone who allegedly once represented the President's half-sister in a divorce proceeding represented a conflict of interest for an attorney in a case where neither the President nor the half-sister are parties.
She does not understand the fundamental purpose or limitations of the judiciary in the American legal system.

Looking at her real estate case would suggest that this isn't one of those cases where someone is apparently competent and sane except where one issue is concerned - her utter incompetence was noted there, too.

I can't see how she could pass the CA First Year exam, the MPRE, or the Bar. As far as I can tell, there are only two possible explanations - either she didn't and someone else did for her, or she has suffered a spectacularly catastrophic cognitive collapse of some kind in the years between taking the bar and entering the birther universe.

I have no doubt she passed the California Bar, based on what I know about her and other lawyers who go to what we used to call "Fly by Night" Law School when I was in college. California is full of them, unfortunately.

Taft may be the first online law school I've heard of, but I know from lawyer friends that there are dozens of these schools all over California. Five years ago, I actually had a run in with another Taft Skool graduate who passed the bar and was equally incompetent. A work friend, much younger and incredibly naive, asked if I knew how to get her money back from a supposed real estate lawyer she'd found on the internet and given $5K, and then what he presented her with was so idiotic that it helped her not a whit. I researched how to draft and file a complaint with the Bar against the guy, which she did with my help, and the result was got her $5K back, although it took a bit. That's where I first heard of Taft and the guy was a complete boob. We actually showed what he had prepared to the real lawyer she got, and his comment was that he couldn't believe the first lawyer had really gone to law school. As I recall, he was so incredulous as to suggest that someone else must have taken the Bar for him! TRUE STORY, although I think that might have been a rhetorical response from any competent lawyer.

These schools teach the test, not law. I know that when I took dumbell physics at UCLA, I got an A -- and didn't understand anything from Day 1, starting with the definition of a vector which, apparently, I wouldn't know for sure, is fundamental to the study of physics; I was too lost to be sure. I got a tutor who had me just study old tests that Prof. Kaplan had given over a zillion years. I got an A. If someone had asked me anything other than exactly, word for word, what was on one of the old tests, I would have been dumbfounded -- but I woulda tried to answer!

From what I heard, that is how some of these law schools operate and while they don't get a lot of people to pass, some do.

Orly has proven herself hideously incompetent at everything she touches. Yet projection is one of her strongest skills.

Let's just hypothesize for a minute and assume Taitz is the illegal alien she's been railing about Obama being for the past 4 years. It would be a fair assumption; just about everything else she complains about is a textbook projection of her own transgressions and crimes. And we know she refuses to show anyone a copy of her passport or alleged "naturalization papers." She's from all over the fucking place, and she's never told the truth as far as any reasonable person can tell.

Why not run for US Senate? Who's checking papers?

If she had a shot in hell of winning the Senate seat, someone would get down & dirty and investigate the true citizenship of the fraud called Orly Taitz.

But we know that's not going to happen.

Re: Orly's educational/intellectual shortcomings: As part of his Ed.D plan, my father was required to serve a one year internship to get the degree. Wouldn't it be wise to attach such a requirement to law degrees? I would think most law firms would be happy to get some anxious-to-please gofers for a low rental price. (...and that is NOT meant to insult the attorneys or law students here! ) Plus it would be a great way to aid in preventing potential lawyers from doing what we think Orly did ... cheat their way to a license.

BTW, those internships were few and far between at the time. Dad completed all the classroom work and waited three years without anything becoming available, then moved on to something else.

Talk amongst yourselves.

I agree, OD. They are nothing more than expensive exam prep services. Obviously for Orly, her money was well spent!

Thankee, Miz Raicha! We be good from now on.

So when she gets disbarred and sues Taft, who handles the case?