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And birthers descend in 3-2-1...


Bret explains "natural born citizen" requirements for president and vice president

Posted by Katy Ricalde | May 01, 2012

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The law lists several categories of people who are considered American citizens at birth. There are the people born inside the United States; no question there. There are the people who are born outside the United States to parents who are both citizens, provided one of them has lived in the U.S. for any period of time. There are the people who are born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen and the other who is a U.S. national (that is, from an outlying possession of the U.S.), provided the citizen parent has lived in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to the birth of the child. And then there are the people who are born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen and the other who is an alien, provided the citizen parent lived in the United States or its possessions for at least five years, two of them after the age of 14.

They're all natural born U.S. citizens. That also includes people who are born in Puerto Rico and people who were born in states before they became states. Born in Hawaii in 1950, a decade before statehood? You're a natural born U.S. citizen.

That is how legal experts interpret the "natural born" requirement.. and how you get that status is actually pretty open. Until the Supreme Court weighs in on this issue (and there are no plans that we know of that that will happen)... -- to your emails... Senator Marco Rubio and Governor Bobby Jindal are both eligible to run and become Vice President or President.



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I believe that comments are disabled on the t article.


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Ah, yes. What goes around comes around.


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ORYR posted that Brett Baier story. Then...

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Email Bret's lackey at katyricalde@yahoo.com and tell them to educate themselves! http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html

A Harvard educated attorney and 30-year constitutional scholar explains below what a natural born Citizen is.

Herbert W. Titus is of counsel to the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C. Prior to his association with this firm, Mr. Titus taught constitutional law, common law, and other subjects for nearly 30 years at five different American Bar Association approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993, he served as the founding Dean of the College of Law and Government in Regent University, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Prior to his academic career, he served as a Trial Attorney and a Special Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. and Kansas City, Missouri. Today he is engaged in a general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy, litigation, and appeals.

Mr. Titus holds the J.D. degree (cum laude) from Harvard and the B.S. degree in Political Science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa. He is an active member of the bar of Virginia and an inactive member of the bar of Oregon. He is admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the United States Court of Claims, and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, Ninth, Tenth, District of Columbia and Federal Circuits. His constitutional practice has taken him into federal district courts in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia and the state courts of Idaho, Texas and North Dakota.



mebbe those birthers should search 'Titus' here.
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I believe that comments are disabled on the t article.


which is probably more infuriating (to birfers) than the article itself, but not a problem:

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I bet Bret wishes he didn’t post this come tomorrow. His email box will definitely be full.

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This is the line in the story that will piss off the birthers the most:

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The brouhaha over President Obama's birth certificate -- has revealed a widespread ignorance of some of the basics of American citizenship.


"Who's he callin' Ignorant?"


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Apuzzo: Fox News Is Spreading False Information on the Meaning of a “Natural Born Citizen".

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Yowzahh ! That's the biggest megaphone in ConservoWorld, reaching the most RWers, right down to Granny in the old folks homes and to almost all of their conspiracy kooks - and FOX has sent their pundits to smack down the birthers most prized claims !
That is scarey to them.
Its like being booted and banned from the Mouseketeers, being excommunicated by the Pope ! Or worse - Its like hearing on the Grand Old Opry broadcast that your songs ain't country, they are lousy fakes - and that they will not get any attention from C&W producers, labels, honky-tonks, radio stations, or record shops.
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Its like being booted and banned from the Mouseketeers, being excommunicated by the Pope ! Or worse - Its like hearing on the Grand Old Opry broadcast that your songs ain't country, they are lousy fakes - and that they will not get any attention from C&W producers, labels, honky-tonks, radio stations, or record shops.

Not to birthers, e.g., ORYR comments:
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Anyone who subscribes to cable and supports the liars and propagandists deserves what they get....Lies and propaganda.

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Anyone with a computer and about an hour to kill can figure out the truth (Law of Nations definition)I did this three years ago when I first heard of the so called "birth er" issue. why is it so difficult for these Bozo's to grasp? (rhetorical)

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Follow the money. Fox News is partly owned by the same Saudi Prince who helped to finance Obama's Harvard Law Degree.

The people at Fox News know which side of the bread the butter is on and so they "tweak the facts" (i.e.knowingly lie) whenever it's suits their purposes.

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Baier is a sniveling little Progressive propagandist. Faux News is really no better, carving out a niche for itself as slightly to the right of MSNBC. TV is a wasteland.

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now you know why FauxNews means 'we deceive, you decide'

Bill not only drank the fool-aide, he's peddling the cart

Bret Baier has his head up his kester

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Citizen Wells says "Have Obama thugs threatened Fox?"

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and they're off. . . .

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Yowzahh ! That's the biggest megaphone in ConservoWorld, reaching the most RWers, right down to Granny in the old folks homes and to almost all of their conspiracy kooks - and FOX has sent their pundits to smack down the birthers most prized claims !


What makes it even better is that Baier is the one guy at Fox who gave Birtherism even the slightest hint of support. See here and here, where he reported Birther stories as straight news, without any real disclaimers apart from putting them in the 'Grapevine' segment.

So for him, of all people, to be the one to so definitively say that they're wrong just makes this all the more priceless. And, of course, their immediate rejection of Baier.

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Citizen Wells says "Have Obama thugs threatened Fox?"


Naturally. Bret Baier affirms that Republican Marco Rubio and Republican Bobby Jindal are eligible to be President, without ever mentioning Obama's name...therefore this is Obama's doing!

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Chilidog wrote:



FYI, Mario is posting there if anyone is interested.


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Gad I hope Rmoney chooses Rubio.

I wanna see birther heads explode. :D

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Every comment at GOPUSA is Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett Minor v. Happersett

Poor lil parrots.

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Mario is in damage control mode. http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/05/fox-n ... ation.html

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Reality Check wrote:


He should never have entered into the NJ Court only to have his pet theories outright rejected... Poor Mario... :-({|=

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Reality Check wrote:


And with the usual bullshit, such as...

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While the Constitution itself does not define a "natural born Citizen," historical evidence and case law from the U.S. Supreme Court and other courts do so. That evidence shows that a "natural born Citizen" is a child born in the United States to parents who at the time of their birth were both either "natural born Citizens" or "citizens of the United States." :^o See my blog at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ for a discussion of this historical evidence and case law.

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What Minor said about a “natural born Citizen” was confirmed in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (acknowledging and confirming Minor’s American common law definition of a “natural-born citizen” but adding based on the English common law that since “‘[t]he child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle [birth in the country]’” (bracketed information supplied), a child born in the United States to domiciled alien parents was a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States”). This American common law definition of a “natural born Citizen” has never been changed, not even by the Fourteenth Amendment (only uses the clause "citizen of the United States" and does not mention "natural born Citizen") or Wong Kim Ark, and therefore still prevails today. Both those U.S. Supreme Court cases define a "natural born Citizen" as a child born in a country to parents who are citizens of that country. Hence, it is Mr. Baier who needs a U.S. Supreme Court decision to change the current status of the law, not us who know what the law is.


Yet several recent decisions all say otherwise.


Marion, you're such a lying POS.

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FYI, Mario is posting there if anyone is interested.


The stupid is really strong over there.

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Somerset wrote:

The stupid is really strong over there.



Yeah, but I'll give them credit, only Mario has tried to insult me so far (by calling me an obot ).


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Mario can say that the Supreme Court has DEFINITIVELY APPROVED HIS THEORY ON NBC all he wants, but his amicus brief has been submitted more than once, and each time rejected, not to mention his New Jersey fiasco, where the court not only rejected his "theory" out of hand, but warned him during his argument that he was an officer of the court and should be careful about what he claims is and isn't true.

Not that it matters to him, he'll continue to claim that the courts are wrong and the various state and federal Courts of Appeal and state and federal Supreme Court(s) are simply unwilling to adhere to what he says is a blindingly obvious precedent while they continue to apply, to a man, a different one he rejects...

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Sorry for the double post but I've actually now read the GOPUSA site.

It just stuns me how many of them are hook, line, and sinker for the Minor v. Happersett "defines" NBC and dismiss the part where the Court specifically declines to address children of non-citizens by saying "Of course they decline, because they aren't NBC." A normal person might say "If they weren't NBC, they could just say, they aren't NBC, instead of saying 'Nyah nyah we won't tell you!'" but then these are birthers.

More amazing is how many of them are openly praising Apuzzo and challenging people that deny what he says, referencing things like "At least Apuzzo went to court in New Jersey and proved his case!" and things like that...completely ignoring the fact that HE LOST. Playing the lottery and winning the lottery are different things, birthers. Arguing in court and winning your case are different things. The court in NJ specifically rejected every single two-citizen parent point brought up by Apuzzo, and said quite directly that his interpretation of Minor was wrong.

I realize Apuzzo simply counters by saying that modern courts are either afraid, corrupt, or simply haven't done the research he has. That's great and all, but he forgets the old adage that even when the court is wrong, the court is right. The courts say that Wong Kim Ark is the defining precedent here, and it is highly unlikely that they are going to change their minds anytime soon without a new ruling from the Supreme Court. Mario can argue that Minor holds, but the court (and the Court) says that it does not, and even if he thinks they are wrong, it doesn't change the fact that President Obama remains in office.

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A perfect demonstration of "birther logic". (yeah, I know, but just sayin') :lol:

Comment at ORYR...

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Wong Kim Ark:

“…and his child… ‘If born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen…”

Justice Gray does a very revealing compare and contrast here:

- he compares two children

- on the one hand, he mentions the US born child of a resident alien

- on the other hand, he mentions the “natural-born” child of a citizen

Justice Gray clearly states that only one is natural-born: the child of the citizen.


Wow!! Just wow.

It's no wonder why they believe liars like Apuzzo.

How the hell to they breathe on their on?

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And yet another...

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WONG KIM ARK SAYS THAT A NONCITIZEN'S CHILD BORN ON US SOIL IS AS MUCH A CITIZEN AS THE NATURAL BORN CHILD OF A CITIZEN BORN ON US SOIL.

GOT IT DUMBOTS???
WKA holds that an alien parent makes the child NOT a natural born citizen. =))

"Every citizen or subject of another country if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen…’

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