Should we serve pie or cookies?

COOPER: Well, Ed, let me -- let me argue Donald Trump's point here because he's not here to argue for it himself. Why not, if they want this to go away and they don't like the conversation, why not release the original birth certificate form, the so-called long form, which is actually called a certificate of live birth, rather than the certification of live birth, which they have released?

HENRY: I asked Jay Carney that very question as a follow-up. And he basically said, look, the critics like Donald Trump are just going to move the goalposts. Even if you put out the actual birth certificate, they would raise questions about the signature. They would raise questions about, well, was this doctored? As you heard Donald Trump, every time you presented him with a fact, Anderson, he came up with, well, he was born on a Friday, but it came out on a Sunday, this, that. The goalposts keep moving.

That's the way Jay Carney basically feels. That's what they feel at the White House, that no matter what they do, the conspiracy theorists are going to persist. So they believe the President dealt with this and it's over.

Last year, Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod revealed on “The Tonight Show” that the president "has a weakness for pie."

To this very day, I think it was a big mistake to release the long-form. No pie or cookies for me, por favor.

Guess what tomorrow is?

“As one of two posters here I’m familiar with that are saying Obama (on this issue) has nothing to hide, a simple question;

“Why hasn’t Obama released his Birth Certificate or a certified copy of the same to end the controversy?”

Happy to oblige. I obviously can’t know for certain, but I imagine that it’s a combination of a few different factors.

First, he doesn’t believe that it would, in fact, “end the controversy.” Because, really, it wouldn’t. The entire question of Obama’s birth and eligibility first became an audible issue on June 9, 2008, and they put the COLB online just three days later. And that didn’t end the controversy; it just led to accusations about forgery. When they let FactCheck photograph the document to show the seal and signature, that didn’t end the controversy either; it just led to accusations that FactCheck was complicit or the document is insufficient.

I’ve already seen plenty of people claim that simply releasing a certified copy of a birth certificate wouldn’t be sufficient. Some have already suggested that they would believe such a document to be a forgery too. Plenty of others already have adopted the theory that he’s not eligible because of his father; releasing the birth certificate certainly wouldn’t end that controversy. And when you have people demanding everything from his kindergarten records to his baptism records, releasing a birth certificate alone won’t satiate them. So in that sense, maybe he hasn’t released it because he knows it would be fruitless.

Second, maybe he’s stubborn and doesn’t want to waste any of his own time to try to deal with it. The ‘controversy’ really hasn’t been much of a direct burden on him or his administration. It’s not like it’s an issue they’re having to fight Republicans over in the press or in Congress.

Honestly, despite Hawaii’s privacy rules, I feel that if the President called up Hawaii’s vital records department himself and asked for a photocopy of his long-form, he could get it. But it’s possible that he doesn’t want to, because even making that call is, in its own way, letting the Birthers win. And maybe he doesn’t want to play that kind of PR game.

I actually have a historical analogy for these first two factors. For decades, there have been people claiming that the Apollo missions never landed on the moon, and they always asked why NASA couldn’t simply point a telescope at the moon and take pictures of the landing sites. That, they said, would settle the matter. For years, NASA didn’t care. They figured it wouldn’t settle anything, and they weren’t actually suffering because of the folks who doubted them.

But last year, NASA did point a telescope at the moon and took pictures of the landing sites. And what happened when they released them? The controversy didn’t end. The folks who doubted continued to doubt. They claimed the pictures were forged. They complained the pictures weren’t clear enough. And they continued to argue that we never landed on the moon. I can’t help but think that Obama’s folks saw that reaction, and realized that they’d get exactly the same reaction if they ever released the long-form.

Third, while there hasn’t been a direct political cost from the ‘controversy,’ I think there’s something to the argument that he *benefits* a little bit from it. The Obama camp could easily have looked at the issue and decided that they had more to gain by not trying to end anything. For one thing, if they’re confident in their position (i.e., Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible), then they know that they will win any ultimate challenge down the line. If they know that they will never lose the controversy, then they also know that every minute of time and every ounce of energy expended by their opponents on the other side is wasted time and energy. Time and energy that, if it wasn’t expended on a fruitless quest that doesn’t actually threaten Obama’s presidency, might instead be spent on issue-based advocacy. Or GOP fundraising.

For another thing, they may also think they stand to gain PR-wise from not stopping the ‘controversy.’ Politics is all about winning the support of moderates, and Obama may have decided that it’s more likely that those moderates will look at the birth controversy as something silly than as something substantive. (Note that I’m not saying they’re *correct* in making such an assessment. I’m just saying that it’s a possible belief they’ve staked out. And, perhaps, have held to out of stubbornness even.)

All that said, I’m not actually opposed to Obama releasing the long-form. I’d be interested if he did. Not because I think it would hold any surprises; I think it’ll reflect all the same information as on the COLB. It’s because I’m not interested in the document itself, but because I’m interested in what the *reaction* would be. It’s my belief that it wouldn’t ‘end’ anything. But the only way to definitively test that hypothesis would be for the document to be released.

To this very day, I think it was a big mistake to release the long-form. No pie or cookies for me, por favor.

My response, posted about 36 hours before the long-form's release, and almost exactly 24 hours before I was zotted:

RC RADIO SPECIAL COMMENT
April 27, 2011
I checked The Fogbow about 9:15 this morning and there it was – news that Hawaii and the President had released a copy of the Birther Holy Grail, the long form birth certificate. I quickly opened the link and found exactly what I expected to see. Barack H. Obama II was born at Kapi’olani Hospital and 7:24 PM on August 4th, 1961. His mother had signed; the doctor had signed but I couldn’t read his handwriting. No surprise there. They all go to school to learn to write illegibly. The certificate number checked as did everything else. We even knew what the form would look like because we had seen them before. We had seen the ones supplied by Mrs. Nordyke. Dr. Conspiracy had even constructed a version of what he thought it would look like and it was damn close.

At first I felt vindicated. But at the same time I felt sad for our country. Sad that those complete racist lying scum bags known as birthers could find a lying racist scum bag leader like Donald Trump who could elevate this fringe movement to the media circus it had become that moved the President to do this. As always, President Obama put his country first. He knew that with this carnival sideshow controlling the news it would take the spotlight off the Republicans attempts to completely decimate the middle class in America at the expense of transferring even more wealth to their true constituency, the top 1% of the wealthy in this country. I watched Trump’s news conference with disgust. He may have well had said “well the nigger showed that nice shiny birth certificate. I made him do it. I can’t say whether it is real or not. Now let’s see the boy’s college records because no black boy could be that smart and get into Harvard. Oh yeah, did I tell you some of my best friends are Negroes?“ I can imagine what most blacks are thinking today. This is just another time when a black is held to a higher standard just to get to the same position. How sad for our country that we have really progressed so little since my childhood when blacks had to pass rigged literacy tests just to vote.

And the birthers reacted predictably. They said it is a forgery, why did it take so long for him to release it? It doesn’t matter since his father was Kenyan. Not one of the familiar characters that we have followed on this show issued an apology. Are we surprised? No because they are lying scum bag racists. We already knew that.

I am prouder than ever of my President today. As a person of black heritage he must be seething inside that he would have to take such an unprecedented and somewhat humiliating step to get this lie out of the media so he can work on the real issues facing America. He loves America however, and that is why he did it. That is something these hate filled, racist, lying scum known as birthers who hate this country will never understand. I am ashamed for the Republicans who molly coddled this bunch of vermin for two years. Congratulations to a very few like Mitt Romney who called them out. To those people like Mark Hatfield, Carl Seel and May Beavers who crafted these racist birther bills you also have my disgust. To the liars like Joe Farah, Jerome Corsi, Phil Berg, Tim Adams, Orly Taitz, Terry Lakin, and Lucas Smith words just fail to express my contempt for you.

I hope that when history is written it will be noted that April 27, 2011 is the date that marked the end of the sad chapter in American history known as the Birther movement. We shall see won’t we? We shall see. I am planning a show next week just in case.

What was the reason for your being zotted?

On the other hand, whereas the birthers previously could only speculate, now they fantasize that they have evidence.

Sanity.

To this very day, I think it was a big mistake to release the long-form. No pie or cookies for me, por favor.

The total failure our national leadership in all our governmental institutions, and the failure of the major media, to investigate the “Usurper & Fraud in Chief” Obama, is undermining the morale and good order of our military. How can men and women in our military be expected to continue to follow orders from an unconstitutionally elected and installed phony, grifter, and criminal identity fraud impostor like Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro/Soebarkah, or whatever and whoever he really is? The prime directive of all who serve in the military is their solemn oath which clearly says it is their duty to support and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Obama is a domestic enemy of our Constitution. He is an illegal President and Commander in Chief. He is not constitutionally eligible per Article II Section 1 Clause 5 to be in the office he sits in. Our civilian leadership has left the country and our Constitution be completely and totally trampled on. Obama is UNFIT for COMMAND! When are more in our Commissioned Officer’s ranks going to stand up and start asking questions to their senior leaders in their branch of the military and to the members of Congress about the usurper and criminal fraud in the Oval Office and what is Congress going to do about it, and when. If you see a crime in process do you allow it to continue and take no action and look the other way and say to yourself, it’s not my problem, let him finish out his term and get away with … or worse yet, let him defraud the American electorate and Constitution once again in November 2012 and possibly win re-election via election fraud once again? If that is allowed to happen our country, our U.S. Constitution, our national security, and are very liberty will be in great danger of complete and total destruction by Obama if he is fraudulently allowed to serve another four year term. What about the oath administered to all members of our military, especially the one given to Commissioned Officers? A Commissioned Officer’s sole oath is to support and defend the Constitution, not to support and defend a fraudulent President. Why is that their prime directive? Because the founders and framers knew that some day a charlatan could convince by deceit, deception, and fraud the masses to put in place by populist election a treasonous person into the Oval Office and command of our military. And they created that oath to enable the Commissioned Officer’s rank to be the last line of defense for our U.S. Constitution. What are the Joint Chiefs of Staff doing on this matter? Do they consider their solemn oath to the Constitution to mean anything to themselves? Was the oath just so many words to them? A ritual with no solemn meaning to them? The UCMJ does not erase and countermand one’s solemn oath and prime directive to support and defend the U.S. Constitution. It is that U.S. Constitution against which the lawfulness of all laws and orders shall be judged!

Based on Obama’s forged and backdated Selective Service (Draft) Registration Card, which was feloniously and retroactively entered into the SSS system some time in 2007/2008 by an Obama operative working in the Chicago regional office of the SSS, Obama is a draft dodger and has committed a major federal felony in that matter alone! Remember the U.S. Passport records break in and sanitizing Obama’s passport records during the 2007/2008 election cycle and the subsequent unsolved shooting death of a person involved with the investigation of that event. Well, obviously someone also surreptitiously broke into the SSS records and database system too about then. When will the Joint Chiefs of Staff contact the U.S. Congress, privately or otherwise, and insist that a full fledged congressional investigation into the unknown true legal identity of Obama and into his forged identity documents being placed onto government servers and in government databases be launched. A congressional investigation must be done … and done now! CDR Kerchner (Ret)

Obama is a draft dodger and has committed a major federal felony in that matter alone

When will the Joint Chiefs of Staff contact the U.S. Congress, privately or otherwise, and insist that a full fledged congressional investigation into the unknown true legal identity of Obama and into his forged identity documents being placed onto government servers and in government databases be launched.

The more I think about it, the more I think his timing, once again, was pitch perfect.

I think this guy might be though...