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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:16 pm 
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Thanks to a Fogbow friend... the following:

Stein is not exactly the outstanding Marine he (and his supporters) wish to portray. This is not his first rodeo in military "problems" shall we say.

Stein has a pretty messy record, including counselings … revocation of security clearance .. and more – BEFORE the Facebook "incident/s" …

A few interesting tidbits... some you may have seen

Order Denying Preliminary Injunction

Affidavit of Col. Christopher Dowling (Stein's commanding officer - re: why he recommended separation)

Findings of the Administrative Board (recommendation for separation)

Transcript of administrative hearing on collateral challenge to separation order (283 pages ... it was a 13+ hour hearing).

Other interesting stuff:

Stein's Military Record (interesting)

More Stein Military Record plus other stuff: This is a combination of exhibits containing
(a) more Stein personnel history info, including evaluations, non-recommendations for promotion, counseling records, etc.
(b) multiple affidavits re; issues;
(c) the "initial" email exchange b/w Stein and officers when he was banned from the METOC page for his comment (p53);
(d) excerpts from military manuals on various issues.
(_) There are also two "Stein Military Record" exhibits re: pre-2011 investigations -- but all content is redacted, so no point in adding.)

DOD Directive 1344.10 (Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces)

USMJ Maximum Punishment Chart

Marine Corps Separation and Retirement Manual

For the parties' opposing views:

Stein Memo in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction

Military Opposition to Motion for Preliminary Injunction

And, of course, a great secondary source is the military justice blog CAAFLog.

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What a shithead.

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So he's originally from Arizona...






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His military record is, indeed, interesting.

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I, Gary Alan Stein, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


Too bad he signed that with his eyes closed.

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Also, I notice that the citizenship box doesn't have a check-off for "natural born." Probably a typo.

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Imagine that! A teapartier who is so fiscally irresponsible that he is counseled and loses his security clearance.

Tons of debt, bounced checks, a vehicle repossessed (which he damaged) taken to collections for thousands in unpaid rent and a wife with kid #2 on the way...

Just a fine upstanding teabagger.

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Compared to Lt Howe, he got off very lightly. You know for a marine, he sure is a whiny, sniveling little weenie. Disgusting. Play with teaturds and you just get shit all over ya.


Wow. I looked that up.

Stein did much worse and got off waaaay more lightly.



I had hoped someone familiar with the Vietnam/Johnson era would know this lil bit of trivia.
Lt Howe just held a sign at an anti-war protest and received a full-scale court martial. He was sentenced to two years hard labor plus a dishonorable discharge. This weenie got off with just a loss of benes. I don't understand why Stein didn't receive the same treatment as Lakin unless it was because Lakin actually refused to follow lawful orders.

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Imagine that! A teapartier who is so fiscally irresponsible that he is counseled and loses his security clearance.

Tons of debt, bounced checks, a vehicle repossessed (which he damaged) taken to collections for thousands in unpaid rent and a wife with kid #2 on the way...

Just a fine upstanding teabagger.


And just the guy you want to have handle your next home purchase. Honest and trustworthy, with rock-solid conservative values and beliefs.

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Preserving the American Dream Lic# 01886925 Pacific Lifestyles Realty

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When you partner with me to list and sell your home or real estate, you can be assured of 100% commitment towards a strategic marketing plan designed to sell your home quickly at the best price possible and it all begins right here as I take full advantage of Internet technology and Social Media to expose your home to the widest qualified target audience.



I'm guessing he might not be so thrilled to find out his service record is now also available via that majikal "Internet technology and Social Media."

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Sequoia32 wrote:
Imagine that! A teapartier who is so fiscally irresponsible that he is counseled and loses his security clearance.
Tons of debt, bounced checks, a vehicle repossessed (which he damaged) taken to collections for thousands in unpaid rentand a wife with kid #2 on the way...

Just a fine upstanding teabagger.


And just the guy you want to have handle your next home purchase. Honest and trustworthy, with rock-solid conservative values and beliefs.

Gary Stein Homes wrote:
Preserving the American Dream Lic# 01886925 Pacific Lifestyles Realty

Description

When you partner with me to list and sell your home or real estate, you can be assured of 100% commitment towards a strategic marketing plan designed to sell your home quickly at the best price possible and it all begins right here as I take full advantage of Internet technology and Social Media to expose your home to the widest qualified target audience.



I'm guessing he might not be so thrilled to find out his service record is now also available via that majikal "Internet technology and Social Media."


1)Just the kind of person you can trust handling a multi-million dollar real estate transaction. Better keep an eye on that earnest money check. ;)

2)Typical intelligible canned real estate marketing jargon. 1,000s of real estate agents buy the same canned media packages.

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Thanks to a Fogbow friend... the following:

Stein is not exactly the outstanding Marine he (and his supporters) wish to portray. This is not his first rodeo in military "problems" shall we say.

Stein has a pretty messy record, including counselings … revocation of security clearance .. and more – BEFORE the Facebook "incident/s" …


More Stein Military Record plus other stuff: This is a combination of exhibits containing
(a) more Stein personnel history info, including evaluations, non-recommendations for promotion, counseling records, etc.
(b) multiple affidavits re; issues;
(c) the "initial" email exchange b/w Stein and officers when he was banned from the METOC page for his comment (p53);
(d) excerpts from military manuals on various issues.
(_) There are also two "Stein Military Record" exhibits re: pre-2011 investigations -- but all content is redacted, so no point in adding.)


Indeed. Including this little tidbit:

Captain Thomas K. Liu wrote:
(6) Clearance: None (Prior Top Secret clearance revoked in Jan 2010)

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(8) EAS: 28 Jul 2012

(a) SNM attempted to reenlist but was denied, because he lost his security clearance and was on limited duty for a leg injury



He was already on his way out.

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Somerset wrote:
realist wrote:
Thanks to a Fogbow friend... the following:

Stein is not exactly the outstanding Marine he (and his supporters) wish to portray. This is not his first rodeo in military "problems" shall we say.

Stein has a pretty messy record, including counselings … revocation of security clearance .. and more – BEFORE the Facebook "incident/s" …


More Stein Military Record plus other stuff: This is a combination of exhibits containing
(a) more Stein personnel history info, including evaluations, non-recommendations for promotion, counseling records, etc.
(b) multiple affidavits re; issues;
(c) the "initial" email exchange b/w Stein and officers when he was banned from the METOC page for his comment (p53);
(d) excerpts from military manuals on various issues.
(_) There are also two "Stein Military Record" exhibits re: pre-2011 investigations -- but all content is redacted, so no point in adding.)


Indeed. Including this little tidbit:

Captain Thomas K. Liu wrote:
(6) Clearance: None (Prior Top Secret clearance revoked in Jan 2010)

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(8) EAS:28 Jul 2012

(a) SNM attempted to reenlist but was denied, because he lost his security clearance and was on limited duty for a leg injury



He was already on his way out.



Was this his scheduled re-enlistment date? The date hasn't occurred yet.

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realist wrote:
Stein is not exactly the outstanding Marine he (and his supporters) wish to portray. This is not his first rodeo in military "problems" shall we say.

Stein has a pretty messy record, including counselings … revocation of security clearance .. and more – BEFORE the Facebook "incident/s" …


What a piece of work this Stein character is. I love how he was passed up numerous times for a promotion because he "lacked maturity". When he got busted screwing around during guard duty, his commanding officer made Stein write a THOUSAND PAGE paper for punishment. The Marine Corps apparently does not fuck around. Also hilarious is the fact that Stein had to be counseled several times about his finances (or lack thereof).

When this idiot was running his mouth in the media saying that he wouldn't back down from his comments and basically giving the Marine Corps the middle finger, he was, at the same time, groveling and kissing ass via e-mail to his superior officers.

It saddens me to read that he has children; with another on the way.

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borealis wrote:
Somerset wrote:
Captain Thomas K. Liu wrote:
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(8) EAS:28 Jul 2012

(a) SNM attempted to reenlist but was denied, because he lost his security clearance and was on limited duty for a leg injury



He was already on his way out.



Was this his scheduled re-enlistment date? The date hasn't occurred yet.


I believe so. He'd been saying that his enlistment term was "up in a few months," so July would make sense.

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Yep, his End of Active Service date was coming up, he'd apparently lost his security clearance and looks to have been malingering with a 'Leg Injury' (tripped over a weather chart?) and knew he was not going to be allowed to re-enlist. So, like Moran, why not start a fight with President Obama to make his separation from active duty look 'political'. Good riddance to bad rubbish

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It makes ya wonder why the Marines would put a guy they're not gonna let re-enlist down at the enlistment office?

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Well, that didn't take long.

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This is the first RadioBlog show for Conservative SitRep with Gary Stein. Gary Stein is the founder of Armed Forces Tea Party and a Marine Corps veteran. He also has been in the national media spot light for the Marine Corp's case against him and his comment about President Obama.

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/conservative-sitrep-with-gary-stein/2012/05/02/episode-112

Marine Corps veteran?? What a lying sack of shit this guy is.

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Well, that didn't take long.

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This is the first RadioBlog show for Conservative SitRep with Gary Stein. Gary Stein is the founder of Armed Forces Tea Party and a Marine Corps veteran. He also has been in the national media spot light for the Marine Corp's case against him and his comment about President Obama.

Guest Co-host Jerry Wright

Hope you enjoy the show!


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/conservative-sitrep-with-gary-stein/2012/05/02/episode-112

Marine Corps veteran?? What a lying sack of shit this guy is.


Well, technically, once he separates he will be a veteran, just not one with many of the benefits of being a Veteran.

And to think, if he'd just laid low for a few more months, he would have been free to be as politically active as he wanted. Instead, he screwed himself out of a number of benefits, all for the sake of attempted martyrdom.

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He enlisted in Oct 2002, (showing what are substandard to middling scores on his aptitude tests, BTW......all branches are raising the bar on quality of recruits and who gets asked/ is allowed to reenlist, so Gary Stein got in when the USMC was looking for warm bodies) and according to his file, went to boot camp in July-Oct 2003, yet by Mar 2006, he was still a PFC, being repeatedly "counselled" for his poor conduct, and passed over for promotion to Corporal ........that's very bad.

The Statement of Reasons why his security clearance was revoked (written long before Stein began mouthing off about Obama)
said "sources" (probably the NCOs and CWOs who dealt with Stein on a daily basis) describe him as dishonest, that they doubted his integrity, that he was unreliable and has a tendency to bend the truth........that's incredibly bad.

It is a mystery why he wasn't booted out a long time ago, and why was he allowed to stay in active service past his original term of enlistment ?
This has nothing to do with "Obama", its about the military finally getting rid of a really lousy soldier.

I hope there are calls in to that radio show that is hosting him to discuss his service record and performance, and his character.

Why does birtherism attract only the lowest of people ?

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So, a little slowly for my taste, the military rules test Stein ran with his Facebook page(s) has returned results...Stein 0, Military 1.

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Since the more idiotic conservatives are hailing him as a hero, and he is STILL talking before he actually leaves the marines, can the military change his discharge status?

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He enlisted in Oct 2002, (showing what are substandard to middling scores on his aptitude tests, BTW......all branches are raising the bar on quality of recruits and who gets asked/ is allowed to reenlist, so Gary Stein got in when the USMC was looking for warm bodies) and according to his file, went to boot camp in July-Oct 2003, yet by Mar 2006, he was still a PFC, being repeatedly "counselled" for his poor conduct, and passed over for promotion to Corporal ........that's very bad.

The Statement of Reasons why his security clearance was revoked (written long before Stein began mouthing off about Obama)
said "sources" (probably the NCOs and CWOs who dealt with Stein on a daily basis) describe him as dishonest, that they doubted his integrity, that he was unreliable and has a tendency to bend the truth........that's incredibly bad.

It is a mystery why he wasn't booted out a long time ago, and why was he allowed to stay in active service past his original term of enlistment ?
This has nothing to do with "Obama", its about the military finally getting rid of a really lousy soldier.

I hope there are calls in to that radio show that is hosting him to discuss his service record and performance, and his character.



I hope so too. I keep playing in his Facebook sandboxes, but he's gotten to the point where he's deleting entire threads where his FITREP gets brought up and discussed. Gary is learning that "going viral" isn't always a good thing :twisted:

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Rhetorical question, I know, but fun to answer anyway. The simple answer is that anyone who actually believes President Obama isn't eligible is pretty stupid, and those who know better, but try and forward the Birfer agenda because it's anti-Obama usually end up getting singed (at least) by the fire they're playing with. These folks are smart enough to understand eligibility, but not smart enough to understand the secondary effects of playing with something stupid.

Biferism is, in a nutshell, an intelligence test.

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FIFY. I'm sure it was just an oversight.


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I think they're just wired funny. Not all the believers are stupid. Some of them are smart. Sometimes I think it's the smart ones who really become hooked and subscribe to all the many false claims of birtherism that they can roll off their tongues like Lt. Quarles Harris and the judge in the Lakin case not wanting to "embarrass" the president and a million other false claims. It takes some smarts to keep track of them all. Hell, I can hardly keep track of 'em all. They lost me a Bounel and a Shabazz ago, I do declare. They're smart enough. But they're deluded.

They evaluate evidence in light of the absolute conclusion. If the evidence tends to support the conclusion, it might as well be etched in stone. If it tends to contradict the conclusion, there are anomalies to hunt for and other fun mental exercises. Most folks re-evaluate their conclusions in light of new evidence. They do it the other way around, is all.

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Biferism is, in a nutshell, a lack of intelligence test.

FIFY. I'm sure it was just an oversight.


One can fail an intelligence test, you know ;)

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