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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:19 pm 
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In the past few years, RWNJ have labelled many traditional American beliefs or established programs as "Socialist". I think that it is time to start keeping a list, so each of us can determine if we are actually Socialists.


If you believe that student loans are generally a good thing for America, you are probably a Socialist!


America has got the equivalent of the stage three cancer of socialism

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Rep. Todd Akin is not one to mince words.

At a policy debate on Saturday, the Missouri Republican slammed federal student loans, saying that the government should quit the student loan market completely.

"America has got the equivalent of the stage three cancer of socialism because the federal government is tampering in all kinds of stuff it has no business tampering in," Akin said, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.

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Akin's opposition to federal student loans is nothing new. He voted against the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act in 2009, warning that it would result in lost jobs and increased government debt. "This bill should serve as a warning to the depth of the Democrat majority’s appetite for the consolidation of federal control and the dismantling of private industry," he said in a press release.

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Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, signaled a rare agreement with President Barack Obama on Monday when he said that he fully supports Obama's effort to extend current interest rates on federal student loans. To the dismay of approximately 8 million students, the rate is set to double to 6.8 percent this summer.

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Mitt Romney is a Socialist?! :shock:


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Obama incredulously repeated Akin's comment at an event in Iowa City.

"I'm always interested in how folks talk about this issue," he said. "You've got one member of Congress who compared student loans -- I'm not kidding here -- to a stage three cancer of socialism."

Obama tried to repeat the phrase but broke up laughing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"I don't know where to start? What do you mean? What are you talking about? Come on!" he implored, eliciting loud applause. "Just when you think you've heard it all in Washington, somebody comes up with a new way to go off the deep end."

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:53 pm 
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Here's a little story I wrote awhile back about how I got sucked into Socialism. I know it's a little long by the rulz, but I've been saving it for a special occasion and would rather share it with the Fogbow than anyone else (not to mention that y'all will get it):

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My spouse and I once owned a small ranch not too far from Austin, Texas, and lived there over twenty years. Life was good out in the country, and we prospered. But ever since we retired, sold the place, and moved to Mexico, I have suffered from horrible nightmares. This burden finally became overwhelming, and I submitted myself to psychiatric care. With professional help and much soul searching, I have confronted my demons, and gradually regained my mental equilibrium.

However, my therapist has concluded that I must pass through one more stage to achieve complete recovery, and that involves publicly exposing the root cause of my problem. It’s now time to pass over that bridge, and I have chosen this venue for the last step.

Here now is the terrifying truth: my life in rural America infected me with Malignant Socialism!

(…well, maybe not by Webster’s definition, but at least in the sense that I became part of several systems of common ownership and shared responsibility, and those play in the same band)

It happened gradually, so much so that I was never conscious of the insidious influence breaking me down, but introspection has revealed that I was surrounded by it from the moment we took up residence on our rustic acreage. I won’t go into all the details of how I was affected, but discussion of a few of the local Fabian institutions which took control of my life will reveal how truly deep-rooted the subversion was.

Before closing the purchase of our land, we became aware that our electricity and water would be supplied by so-called “coops”, non-profit member-owned organizations that controlled a service area established by agreement with the “state”. In order to participate, we had to purchase a share and become a member-owner, so we willingly, but unwittingly, fell into line and signed up. With the electric coop, we just owned the means of distribution (partial socialism). However, with the water coop, we owned the product (water), the means of production (wells and pumps), and the means of distribution (pipes), and that amounts to pure socialism.

Then, shortly after we occupied our new home, I was approached by a neighbor who, after an introduction and some innocent banter, suggested that I might want to familiarize myself with an organization known as the Volunteer Fire Department, a group of local residents who had banded together to serve the area as firemen. They performed demanding, and often perilous duties, frequently leaving their jobs to answer calls, and provided for their own equipment and training through constant fundraising activities, often having to practically beg for contributions. I made the choice not to join, but became a regular and generous donor to the cause. Fortunately, we never had need for this service … but some of my neighbors did. Sneaky, but surely another socialist intrusion into our lives.

Then, as we grew our ranch, we became aware of the benefits provided by the non-profit Farmer’s Coop headquartered in the nearest town. Membership qualified one for significant discounts on necessities, and we regularly purchased diesel fuel, feed, seed, fertilizer, and chemicals at big savings (and free of taxes). This organization also maintained a small fleet of farm equipment available to members at nominal rental fees; therefore, we didn’t have to purchase and maintain expensive implements that we only needed a few days each year. We regularly employed the Coop’s fertilizer spreaders, seed broadcasters, chemical dispensers, and no-till drills to better maintain our land. All we had to provide was a tractor (John Deere 3020D – 70 hp). By this time, we were practically drowning in socialism.

But all the above was just a drop in the bucket compared to what we were soon to experience … OMG! LOCAL TAXES!

Seems there were certain institutions where we lived, made up of elected officials, that were authorized to collect taxes from all property owners under the guise of spending those monies to bless the entire community with infrastructure, public health and safety, tuition-free schools … and more. These establishments were our county commissioners court, city governments, and school boards. Now most Texans I know absolutely hate taxes and would much prefer to spend that cash on a couple of new guns, but we paid our assessment, and I must admit I was mollified (and drawn farther out on the slippery slope) as I saw roads paved, bridges built, laws enforced, restaurants inspected, and our local high school football team win two state championships. Eventually, I just took the taxes AND the improvements for granted.

Thus was I turned into the left-winger I never expected to be, but I have fought back and now have won! This confession sets me free! No more guilty nightmares!

Oh, excuse me … my wife is calling … what’s that, dear? … our Social Security checks
are in the bank? … Awright! … let’s go to WallyWorld! :D


BTW, if I had ever suggested to my neighbors that these affiliations were socialistic, they probably would have brought out the pitchforks.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:54 pm 
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Can a Blue Blood be a socialist? :-k

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:25 am 
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Hey, I'm Canadian. That automatically makes me a socialist* unless I denounce the country that I was born in and love.

And yes Stern, you can be a socialist* blue blood. Because the goal of the socialists* isn't to create a more fair society but instead create a feudal one where they steal everyone's money through government grants.

*Whatever socialism is because it seems to mean simply that a socialist is a person who supports a program that a conservative wishes to eliminate.

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A story well-told, Shagnastie :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:58 am 
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Absolutely, Stern. We call them champagne socialists over here.

Obviously I am a socialist, as is everybody in the UK. Even our Conservative party is on the left of your Democratic party!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:18 am 
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Well, James Cameron is trying to wreck the NHS though... when he is not runniag away frem questions about his ties to Rupert Mordoch ;;)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:12 am 
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That's the problem with having the director of Titanic as the Prime Minister ;)

I agree that CallMeDave has some very bad ideas for the NHS, and I had hoped that the LibDems as part of the coalition would have been more effective at reigning in most of the Tory excesses.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:30 am 
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Gaaah. #-o

Anyway, Anyther sign of socialism is fischal irresponsibility and the inability to pay off your lawful debts.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/sta ... 14415.html

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The Minnesota Republican Party is facing eviction for nonpayment of more than $111,000 in rent at its longtime headquarters near the Capitol.

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"We're not going to be evicted," Shortridge said, although the eviction matter is due to be heard in Ramsey County District court next Tuesday. He added that the party is "continuing to negotiate on the back payments as well as on a lease that better fits both our space needs and our budget."

The possible eviction is the latest blow for a state Republican Party that is swamped with debt and financial problems. The party, $2 million in arrears on bills and debt related to the 2010 gubernatorial recount, is being investigated by the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board for inaccurate campaign reporting.

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Hub Properties Trust, the Maryland-based owner of the building, said in a court filing that the GOP has not made a full $6,881 rent payment since last April. The party made a few partial payments on the 7,340-square-foot office and call center and then stopped paying rent completely in August.

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LM K wrote:
In the past few years, RWNJ have labelled many traditional American beliefs or established programs as "Socialist". I think that it is time to start keeping a list, so each of us can determine if we are actually Socialists.


If you believe that student loans are generally a good thing for America, you are probably a Socialist!
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Obama incredulously repeated Akin's comment at an event in Iowa City.

"I'm always interested in how folks talk about this issue," he said. "You've got one member of Congress who compared student loans -- I'm not kidding here -- to a stage three cancer of socialism."

Obama tried to repeat the phrase but broke up laughing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"I don't know where to start? What do you mean? What are you talking about? Come on!" he implored, eliciting loud applause. "Just when you think you've heard it all in Washington, somebody comes up with a new way to go off the deep end."

OMFSM -- :o -- Obama has not yet met Orly and Sterngards signature :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:39 am 
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Even 3.4% seems high to me right now. Aren't the funds for student loans coming right from the Treasury now? Didn't they eliminate the middle man, the banks? I don't think a key to our children's future should be a profit center. I must be a socialist.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:50 am 
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Even 3.4% seems high to me right now. Aren't the funds for student loans coming right from the Treasury now? Didn't they eliminate the middle man, the banks? I don't think a key to our children's future should be a profit center. I must be a socialist.


Kimba, I saw someone talking about this on Twitter yesterday. The student loan program actually makes money for the government (as opposed to the banks now they got rid of the middle man). Yet the Repugs want to "pay for" this out of health care funds. Just like the auto and bank bailouts eventually made money for the government, the student loan program not only pays for itself, it makes the government money.

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Good, quick explanation on Crooks & Liars

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/hea ... re-high-st

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If you expect see-through water to flow from your faucet, you must be a Socialist.

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