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I did. I guess I'm not as :geezer: as I thought! :lol:

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I thought I was pretty knowledgeable in minutia until I joined this forum. :-k

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It ain't beanbag any more, Mr. Dooley.


You're "almost" old enough to have known/seen/read Dunne's work and known of his reputation.

I would not have thought of him in a million years, but it was fun to see the Mr. Dooley reference.

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Sometimes it is good to still feel like a youngin'. :lol:

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Additional docket entries

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4/24/2012 THE SECRETARY OF STATES ALTERNATIVE ANSWER

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:mememe: TFB Online Law School question by an IANAL:
What is an alternative answer, as compared to what, a first answer?


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I thought I was pretty knowledgeable in minutia until I joined this forum. :-k
I thought I was a lot of things until I joined this forum. :lol: It's been humbling, but I wouldn't trade a minute of it.

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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
It ain't beanbag any more, Mr. Dooley.


Two things are going on here, I think.

1. Democratic attorneys are now very well trained in swatting away these cases.
2. Everyone in Democratic circles knows who Larry Klayman is, hates him, and will jump at the chance to humiliate him in court. There may be a tendency to treat the Orlys and Apuzzos of the world as nuisances, but anyone going against Klayman will go for blood.


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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Orly once again touts her legal acumen... :P

:evil: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=45309 :evil:

More clarification and update on WND, Corsi and others. Clarification on discovery: attorneys can do discovery and serve subpoenas only after a judge denies a motion to dismiss or after defendants file an answer [-(

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got several e-mails, where I was told that ORYR (supposedly Bob Nelson) and Sam Sewell are promoting a video clip with a recorded phone call from Larry Kleyman. In this phone call Kleyman is saying that in a case of Mike Voeltz, for which he now substituted as an attorney, discovery is under way and he can do it immediately. He said something afterwards that he needs to wait for something else, but I could not hear well the recording and I am not sure what was this something else for which he needs to wait for.

He did say that discovery is under way and they can do it immediately. Here is an explanation again. When a party files a case, they need to serve a complaint. Then they need to wait typically 30-60 days depending on jurisdiction and the type of the defendant for the defense to respond. If the defense files an answer, discovery can start. In Obama eligibility cases for the last 4 years the defense typically did not file an answer, but rather a motion to dismiss, saying that the case has no merit. When a party files a motion to dismiss, you cannot do discovery: you cannot depose them, you cannot subpoena a document, you cannot do interrogatories. Motion to dismiss is filed in order to protect the parties from discovery, for the parties not to have to appear in depositions. In over a 100 eligibility cases filed, motions to dismiss were granted and there was never any discovery.

I got a copy of the docket of the case of Mike Voeltz, where Larry Kleyman is an attorney. They filed their first amended complaint. I do not know, whether they served the defense with this complaint. I did not see proof of service yet. After the defense is served, you have to wait for the defense to respond. Most probably they will file a motion to dismiss. As I said, most of those motions were granted and there is a 99% chance that this motion to dismiss will be granted as they were granted in most cases and no discovery will ever be done in that case.So, somebody needs to ask Larry Kleyman, why is he saying that the discovery in that case is under way and he can do it immediately? On what basis? :P

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My case in Mississippi was filed two months ago. Originally the defense filed motions to dismiss. I responded to those motions. Either the defense felt that the motions to dismiss will be denied or most probably they got wind of me getting ready to file an amended complaint with RICO causes of action, and they changed their strategy and filed an answer in order to try to limit the case to the original causes of action and avoid civil RICO. I filed RICO anyways. An actual answer was filed by both the attorney General of Mississippi on behalf of the Secretary of State of Mississippi and on behalf of the Democratic party of Mississippi. This is the difference between my case in MS and Kleyman’s case and a couple of other cases.


Much more at the link. Bascially, Orly's pissed at WND/Corsi, et al. cuz they are promoting everyone's cases except hers and are trying to syphon off 2 million birfer bucks. :lol: She talks about other campaigns to raise money by WND and WTF happened to it? What was done/accomplished. :-bd

And she spent 6k on her "fliers" and getting them out to 40 meeeelyon people and it's all there about Obama's fraudgate-ness.

Send money to Orly... NOT TO WND!! :P

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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Wow. I've been practicing for a long time and I didn't know the things that Taitz is posting. I'm glad I'm keeping up. I wonder if reading her blog will count for continuing legal education credits.

As for the $6K, it was not spent on "flyers" but that brilliant candidate statement that was apparently written by Taitz and some grant-writing loser award winning political scientist.

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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Wow. I've been practicing for a long time and I didn't know the things that Taitz is posting. I'm glad I'm keeping up. I wonder if reading her blog will count for continuing legal education credits.

Only if you join the Plumbers Union Local 78 and convince them it had something to do with waste water treatment.

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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Wow. I've been practicing for a long time and I didn't know the things that Taitz is posting.



Me neither. Twenty-six years in practice. Live and learn.

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 Post subject: Florida Ballot Challenge
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wow. I've been practicing for a long time and I didn't know the things that Taitz is posting.



Me neither. Twenty-six years in practice. Live and learn.


There was a time when I thought that "live and learn" was a universal truth. Then I met Orly.

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There was a time when I thought that "live and learn" was a universal truth. Then I met Orly.

The real universal truth is, "then you die and forget it all."

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And sometimes you forget it all before you die :-?

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The real universal truth is, "then you die and forget it all."

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Forget what?

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I don't remember what.

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Forget what?

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I don't remember what.

I can't remember reading anything on my favorite blog since Easter. :twisted:

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Is that like a noreaster?

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I musta meant Labor Day #-o

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I can't remember reading anything on my favorite blog since Easter. :twisted:

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Piffle wrote:
Adelante wrote:
I don't remember what.

I can't remember reading anything on my favorite blog since Easter. :twisted:


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Another attorney. :D

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4/24/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF RICHARD B. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
4/25/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF STEPHEN F. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.,AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES


http://www.podhurst.com/rosenthal.php
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He is also well versed in election law, having served as lead counsel in Florida to a 2008 presidential campaign and having advised a gubernatorial campaign and numerous candidates for public office on Florida election law issues.


Brothers? Father/Son? Tag-team? 8-)

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Another attorney. :D

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4/24/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF RICHARD B. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
4/25/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF STEPHEN F. ROSENTHAL, ESQ.,AS ATTORNEY FOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES


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He is also well versed in election law, having served as lead counsel in Florida to a 2008 presidential campaign and having advised a gubernatorial campaign and numerous candidates for public office on Florida election law issues.


Brothers? Father/Son? Tag-team? 8-)


Don't know if they are related (Rosenthal is not an uncommon surname in Florida). Possibly brothers, if they are related. Stephen F., as you noted, is associated with Podhurst Orseck, and was admitted to the Florida Bar in 1997 (AB from Harvard; JD from Harvard Law). Richard B. is a sole practitioner (Law Offices of...) and was admitted to the Florida Bar in 1999 (BA from Univ. of Michigan; JD from Univ. of Florida). This is not the first time they've teamed up for Obama, though. They were both (together) attorneys of record representing Obama for America/Barack Obama here in Florida during the 2008 campaign/election in at least one case of which I'm aware, and perhaps others.

Edit: To add education credentials for the respective Rosenthals

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With a H/T to Doc C. :-bd

FL - 2012-04-12 - COLLETTE - Motion to Dismiss

It seems Mr. Super-Duper Paralegal and his DIY Ballot Challenge Kit have a few problems. Pretty complicated things like, oh, jurisdiction, venue, proper service. :lol:

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With a H/T to Doc C. :-bd

FL - 2012-04-12 - COLLETTE - Motion to Dismiss

It seems Mr. Super-Duper Paralegal and his DIY Ballot Challenge Kit have a few problems. Pretty complicated things like, oh, jurisdiction, venue, proper service. :lol:

8> I believe BB pointed out that the DIY Ballot Challenge Kit does not include instructions nor fill-in-the-blank forms to deal wtih a MTD. Now what? :P

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