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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:10 pm 
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How about this, or is this still too subtle for Mario the genius:

"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction, of the English Sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 658 (1898).


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Yabbut, the guy who wrote that was not as eminent as Mario Apuzzo, drink driving lawyer. The dissent was by some pissant Chief Justice of the United States. Mario clearly knows better than all 9 justices of the Wong Kim Ark court, 'cuz Apuzzo is special. 8>

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:18 pm 
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They also conveniently forget to mention that in the Holy Grail of birther cases, Minor v Happersett it is stated...

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The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.


They're certainly not going to claim that is dicta. ;;)

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For some stange reason when I post this on The Putzes site it never comes out of moderation.....strange that..... [-(

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For some stange reason when I post this on The Putzes site it never comes out of moderation.....strange that..... [-(

Clearly you violated Apuzzo's rules:
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It baffles me that Mario bothers to reply to things like Woodman's quotations when they clearly refute Mario's point.

Apuzzo is essentially saying something like:

Court: We are here to determine what Fido is. The lower court says Fido is a dog. It is commonly known that animals that bark, wag their tails, and have floppy ears are dogs. Fido can bark, wags his tail, and has floppy ears. Therefore, the ruling of the lower court is AFFIRMED.

Apuzzo: "THEY NEVER SAID FIDO WAS A DOG SO HE ISN'T."

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Could be a seal or walrus, just saying.


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Bob,

it might also have something to do with the slapping and mockery from when Mario was posting over at CAAFLOG during the Lakin debacle. He took particular offence to my play in one act of "Mario and The Supremes"...... \:D/

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Because Kerchner and Apuzzo are lying sacks of shit, I am more than skeptical.

From ORYR

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Obama Lawyers Want the Video of the NJ Obama Ballot
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I heardthis morning that the Obama lawyers are trying to suppress the videos of the NJ Obama Ballot Access Challenge public hearing. So I called and spoke with Attorney Mario Apuzzo andhe confirmed that Obama’s lawyers have called him and told him they are planning to take legal action to get the videos of the NJ Ballot Access Challenge Public Hearing pulled and suppressed. What is the Obama side ashamed of and doesn’t want the world to see. Could it be that their Obama “emperor has no clothing on”, i.e., has no known conclusively proven true legal identity clothing/papers to show the world which Attorney Mario Apuzzo forced them to admit to and stipulate to in the NJ public hearing? Obama’s side obviously does not want people to see this video. Watch it yourself at the below links and learn why.


more, as they say, at the link

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realist wrote:
Because Kerchner and Apuzzo are lying sacks of shit, I am more than skeptical.

From ORYR

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Obama Lawyers Want the Video of the NJ Obama Ballot
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I heardthis morning that the Obama lawyers are trying to suppress the videos of the NJ Obama Ballot Access Challenge public hearing. So I called and spoke with Attorney Mario Apuzzo andhe confirmed that Obama’s lawyers have called him and told him they are planning to take legal action to get the videos of the NJ Ballot Access Challenge Public Hearing pulled and suppressed. What is the Obama side ashamed of and doesn’t want the world to see. Could it be that their Obama “emperor has no clothing on”, i.e., has no known conclusively proven true legal identity clothing/papers to show the world which Attorney Mario Apuzzo forced them to admit to and stipulate to in the NJ public hearing? Obama’s side obviously does not want people to see this video. Watch it yourself at the below links and learn why.


more, as they say, at the link



Sure they did, "Commander", sure they did. =))

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This story of Obama's lawyer allegedly trying to get the vidoes of the NJ hearing off the internet (good luck with that) is all over the birfersphere. Conservative News and Views, which says it was one of the organizations that taped the proceedings, adds this detail to the story:
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Alexandra M. Hill is not working on the case of Purpura and Moran v. Obama any longer. Angelo Genova has taken that case over and is handling it personally.
Death threats have come to the firm. Apuzzo told CNAV that Ms. Hill was the main target of these threats.


If Ms. Hill has gotten some credible death threats, her firm perhaps wants the videos removed for her safety.

More at the link: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com ... -pressure/


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:08 pm 
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that blogger, Conservative News and Views, is the guy who videoed the hearing.

he is also 'Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA' at SodaHead.

He pasted his blog post there and is yappin' in the comments.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/o ... n-2597535/

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No, I will NOT comply with this arrogant, unfounded, ridiculous, and downright silly demand that someone is making, and not even knowing whom to make it to. I was a citizen journalist, making a perfectly permissible recording of a public hearing under NJAC 1:1 Section D. What's more, the judge gave his permission, and I distinctly heard him give it. For this lawyer to start burning up the phone lines A WEEK AFTER THE FACT is the stupidest thing that any lawyer on the whole Obama eligibility controversy has ever done. (So don't talk to me about Orly Taitz! Whatever you think of her, she never tried to pull a stunt like this.)

But the real stunner is that Alexandra Hill got thrown off the case. This after a bunch of O-bots called that firm to complain about her performance. Play my video and you'll see what I'm talking about, and what caused all the excitement.

(And before anybody asks: no, I do NOT condone anyone making death threats against Miss Hill, and I don't care WHO IT IS.)


:-? Yeah. Obots hate it when Obama's attorney wins. =)) Birthers are hilarious.


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Genova called the lawyer who pleaded the case for the two New Jersey men, one R and one D, who objected to BHO's name on the ballot.

I *am* CNAV. I am its founding Editor- and Administrator-in-chief. (Actually, I share those distinctions and duties with another person, whose name I shall withhold here.)

Now as nearly as I can tell from Mario Apuzzo's rather bemused and bewildered report, Angelo Genova really thought that *Apuzzo* had hired *me* to shoot the video. He did no such thing.

What happened was that the judge heard about people wanting to film this. They probably heard it from the guards who inspected our bags and walked us through the magnetometer. I was filming as I entered, right after Apuzzo, Purpura, and Moran.

The judge summoned Apuzzo and Hill (BHO's lawyer) to chambers. There, according to Apuzzo, the judge mentioned filming and wanted to know how many films would be shot. Apuzzo said that there were two that he knew of: Dan Haggerty and me. The judge said, "OK."

So the bailiff came out and admitted everyone who *didn't* have a video camera, so they could take their seats. Then he looked at the two of us, and said, "Your Honor, these are the two videographers." And the Judge said, "OK." I was right there. I heard him.

The guard admitted me to the hearing room, pointed to a corner, and said, "Is this OK?"

I said, "Yes," and set up. Dan Haggerty set up across the room from me.

That's it. The video speaks for itself.



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If Hill received threats, it's probably because of misrepresentation of what occurred in the Purpura case. Stuff like this:

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Obama Attorney Alexandra Hill argues even Mickey Mouse could be on New Jersey Presidential ballot!

Watch this two minute excerpt of the ridiculous and contra common sense argument and contra-U.S. Constitutional eligibility standards argument made by Atty Hill in the 3 hour “Obama Has No Clothing On” (Obama has no true legal identity documents and Atty Hill does not care to and will not show any to the citizens of NJ) hearing conducted by NJ Judge Maskin. What ever happened to Ms. Hill’s sworn solemn oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution? It’s all a game to her. Watch it here:


That was by Charlie Kerchner at his blog.

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So the Conservative News and Views guy thinks that the death threats came from Obama supporters, because his lawyer did such a horrible job in court that he won.

Birferlogic is confusing.


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AnitaMaria wrote:
So the Conservative News and Views guy thinks that the death threats came from Obama supporters, because his lawyer did such a horrible job in court that she won.

Birferlogic is confusing.


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Working on a Special Report: Did Obama's lawyer admit that the birth certificate was a forgery?

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The stupidity and futility of the entire birfer movement is summed up very nicely in the 30 seconds from 43:30-44:00 in the second video where Ms. Hill stipulates that the pdf of the LFBC does not matter to this case. The look on Mario's face is priceless, poor sap. :-*


Can somebody make a clip of that part? I think that's the part that birthers are claiming shows her admitting to forgery. Thanks. :xo

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I have a new blog post on the Daily Pen lies:

The Daily Pen: Yes We Lied and Our Blog is Irrelevant

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I have a new blog post on the Daily Pen lies:

The Daily Pen: Yes We Lied and Our Blog is Irrelevant

Wow...just wow.

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Doubts over the birth certificate are not rooted in questions about whether it is real, but whether it is an accurate representation of the factual circumstances of Obama's birth. Of course it is real. It is not an illusion or a phantom.

Therefore, our story here is that we interpret Ms. Hill's acknowledgement that the court does not have an accurate account of Obama's birth as being a concession that the real image which has been produced for ALL of the world by which to confirm Obama's natal history, including this particular judge, is an indication that she believes it must therefore be a forgery. There is no lie in this. This is our interpretation and we have a right to present that interpretation. Whether or not our readers choose to endow it with credibility is another matter.

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I have a new blog post on the Daily Pen lies.

I think they are praying for the deaths of Obama and the Obots. The more blood the merrier to prove that God did it.
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Great job, RC :-bd

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I have absolute proof that Ms Hill said that it was a forgery. Corsi at WND said that she didn't say it and when have you ever heard him tell the truth
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Controversy over Hill’s arguments at the April 10 hearing began after various Internet posts erroneously reported that Hill stipulated during the hearing that the Obama long-form birth certificate was a forgery.
What precisely Hill had stipulated was that the birth certificate had never been presented by Obama’s presidential campaign to the New Jersey secretary of state or to Judge Masin as evidence Obama was eligible to be president.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-attorney-mickey-mouse-could-be-on-ballot/
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I have absolute proof that Ms Hill said that it was a forgery. Corsi at WND said that she didn't say it and when have you ever heard him tell the truth


Oh noes! :jawdrop:

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On RWNJ radio on Monday, Orly also said that Ms. Hill did not say Obama's BC was a forgery.

Further evidence that Hill did, in fact, say it was a forgery. ;)


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