Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

User avatar
verbalobe
Posts: 8406
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:27 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby verbalobe » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:53 am

Starting this thread for Wellies-on-the-Ground reports. I hope FBers in the Eastern Seaboard and region have a chance to check in before and after losing power. [/break1]washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang#]Capital Weather Gang:

An [/break1]washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/hurricane-sandy-raging-winds-and-high-water-to-leave-mark-on-mid-atlantic/2012/10/27/ef886c2a-209c-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html]in­cred­ibly large Sandy continues to creep closer to its seemingly inevitable impact, but in the meantime we’ll squeeze in one more relatively calm day. If you have any last-minute storm prep to do, get it done TODAY. A noticeable breeze and possible light showers today should be your warning to get ready to hunker down. Starting tomorrow, Sandy is likely to batter the area with wind and rain for an extended period of time

According to Listeme, some of the rainfall projection maps were showing zones coded for 'worst in 500 years'. :shock: Trees were reported down in South Carolina yesterday and North Carolina is feeling the effects now. Here in Northern Virginia it is darkly overcast and foreboding, still no rain, but occasional puffs of wind rattling through the trees and Halloween decorations.We have spare water, batteries, mobile devices are charged, gutters clean and checked, gas in the car, and everything that might blow around has been brought in or battened down.

User avatar
Sugar Magnolia
Posts: 4487
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:44 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Sugar Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:59 am

Toilet paper and bleach! The toilet paper is self-explanatory, but the bleach is a little more obscure. No idea why, but that's one of the first thing that empties off the shelves when there is a hurricane threat.

Lili Von Shtupp
Posts: 144
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:17 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Lili Von Shtupp » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:26 am

Bleach is for cleaning the bath tub to store drinking water who knew! As survivor of Andrew Wilma Jeanne France's edges of sandy , here are handy hints 1 don't ever go outside in height of storm. Flying things can kill you ! You washing machineIs an excellent ice chest . Load up with ice and store drinks etc when e comes back on run and drain will last 4 days freeze plastic containers of water in freezer turn freezer all the way up. Load up freezer with containers and ice in bags. Stuff it full! You water heater is a source of water if needed have hose and fittings . Good for flushing heads as sedimentIs at bottom. We have an rv portable direct tv dish and has been most convenient. Having a hand crank radio also is a good thing . Don't forget extra food for the kittehs and fido.

User avatar
TollandRCR
Posts: 15691
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:17 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby TollandRCR » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:39 am

North Central Connecticut is forecast to have its highest winds Monday afternoon and evening, with sustained winds at 52mph and gusts at 81mph around 11:00PM Monday. Some trees still have leaves, which might increase the chance of them toppling over. Also, the ground may be very wet from preceding rains, which will begin about 9:00AM Monday. High winds are expected in a 450 nautical mile radius of the eye, which makes this one of the largest storms ever to hit the Northeast. Some forecasters are calling this a "historic" storm.Apart from the immediate damages that the storm will cause, especially along the coast, the greatest concern is power outages. Temps will be in the 40's. CL&P is assuring everyone that it is better prepared than it was for the double whammy of Hurricane Irene and the snowstorm of September-October. This may be true, given that the President of CL&P at that time was fired. However, line workers say that CL&P is still under-staffed. Water, batteries, and blankets all in good store here. Bathtub is full for flushes. Lines at gas stations were moderately long on Friday and Saturday, with many people buying gas for generators. No new orders from the Governor, except that parts of the National Guard have been ordered to the armories. Evacuations are occurring from some coastal areas, with a 10-foot storm surge being predicted to coincide with a full moon high tide. Some of the houses on the coast have not yet finished repairs from Hurricane Irene. There is a reason that Allstate stopped issuing new homeowner's policies in Connecticut.

User avatar
listeme
Posts: 3923
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:09 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby listeme » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:45 am

Bleach can also be added to water to make it safe(r) for drinking if boiling is not possible. I always have bleach in the apocalypse pantry for that purpose (with an eyedropper taped to the bottle).
Say what you mean.

User avatar
MsDaisy
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:30 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby MsDaisy » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:48 am

We’re ready too. We’re about ½ way between DC & Richmond. The skies are overcast and wind is picking up. We live out in BFE on top of a big hill so no need to worry about flooding, but we haz lots of big windows, and I’ve seen storms in the past hit so hard it looks like a bank of fire hoses out there aimed right at them. So if this storm turns out as nasty as it could, this may be interesting. :dontwanttolook: We also have a well, so if we lose power we lose water. I have a 39 gal trashcan in the bathtub full of water for manual flushing with a bucket, a full 5 gal Coleman water cooler in the kitchen, plenty of milk for tea, toilet paper, sammich stuffs and beer. Plus the porch is full of firewood so if it gets cold, we’ll stay warm. We may not lose power, but we will for sure lose internet. We have satellite internet so we lose that every time it rains, but I have my Droid so if anything hits the fan (or the windows) here I can report.

User avatar
mimi
Posts: 27927
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:01 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby mimi » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:10 am

stay safe.I try to have some cash and a full tank when a bad storm is coming. atm's won't work if power is out. neither do gas pumps.other than that, i just whine a bunch.be safe. check in. :hug:

User avatar
Whatever4
Posts: 8308
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:36 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Whatever4 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:22 am

W2 took an earlier flight to Vegas to avoid the anticipated airport entanglements. (United let him change for free, and he gets his hotel room comped, so an extra day in Vegas is such a hardship for him.) Mom has moved from her trailer to a friend's house. Since she's being evicted when the park closes and she has insurance on the trailer, we're thinking Sandy might not be the worst thing in the world. Ellie and I are going for a walkie to check out the college Halloween party aftermath. Then I'll be off to the store for food. So far, just overcast skies and a student doing the Walk of Shame in a kitty outfit. Weather prognosticators here always use the Pike as the dividing line. North of the Pike, not so bad. South of the Pike, destruction, fear, and panic. We live 20 feet from the Pike. :-k

User avatar
Patagoniagirl
Posts: 2194
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Patagoniagirl » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:36 am

I hope all you FBer's in the path of this storm stay safe, warm, sheltered,fed and watered. We'll be thinking of you. Make sure you have enough meds to get through too.

User avatar
TollandRCR
Posts: 15691
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:17 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby TollandRCR » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:39 am

CNN Oct. 28, 2012

New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority will suspend subway service at 7 p.m. today as Hurricane Sandy nears, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. The last commuter railroad trains will also leave at that time. And bus service will stop at 9 p.m., he said. The storm is expected to cause massive flooding and widespread power outages when it hits the East Coast, in full, late Sunday and into the week. Before that happens, transportation companies and government officials are urging people to plan for the worst.

[link]New York City's subway system is kept (mostly) dry,http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/why-do-the-subways-flood/[/link] by over 4,500 electrical pumps in 280 pump rooms. On a dry day, the MTA pumps 13 million gallons of water from the subways. It's those rivers and the rather large body of water at the tip of Manhattan. The system can handle about 1.5" of rain per hour. Above that, if the DC that powers the trains remains on, the third rail carries electrified water, and any debris catches fire. Maybe the Dutch should have built New Amsterdam up in the Catskills. But that port seemed so important at the time.

User avatar
Suranis
Posts: 9969
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:04 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Suranis » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:46 am

My mother is worried about New York where my brother is. Any indications about how badly New York will be hit? And is there a website where one can track the storm?

User avatar
Sequoia32
Posts: 4363
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:47 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Sequoia32 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:57 am

Good luck to all of you in the path of this storm.
So far every case of Ebola in this country got it by helping people. So relax, Republicans, you're in the clear. - Tina Dupuy

User avatar
Sugar Magnolia
Posts: 4487
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:44 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Sugar Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:58 am

My mother is worried about New York where my brother is. Any indications about how badly New York will be hit? And is there a website where one can track the storm?

[/break1]wunderground.com/]http://www.wunderground.com/They have the tracking maps and satellites and all that good stuff.

User avatar
Piffle
Posts: 6322
Joined: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:39 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Piffle » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 pm

UGH. I'm scheduled to fly from San Francisco to Portland, Maine on a Monday-night/Tuesday-morning red-eye with a connection in Atlanta. Do I even try this or should I weenie out now?

MaineSkeptic
Posts: 5295
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby MaineSkeptic » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:10 pm

We're pretty far north. Right now, it's overcast, but there's not much sign of a storm.What they're predicting for us is:

...High wind watch remains in effect from Monday afternoon through Tyesday morning...Winds ... east 25 to 35 mph with gusts 55 to 60 mph......Coastal flood watch remains in effect from Monday evening through late Monday night...Coastal flooding ... a storm surge of up to 2 feet could lead to some minor flooding along the coast of Hancock and Washington Counties...

We are directly on the coast in Hancock County, and many of our trees still have leaves. We are especially concerned about the very large oak tree that has been increasingly overhanging our house for years.And, of course, any evacuation would have to take our little puppy into account,

User avatar
mimi
Posts: 27927
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:01 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby mimi » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

the twitter hashtags are #sandy and/or #frankenstorm. suranis, you can always ask somebody in NY on the twitter machine. Just use a hashtag or two. #sandy[/break1]com/search?q=%23sandy&src=hash]https://twitter.com/search?q=%23sandy&src=hash#frankenstorm[/break1]com/search?q=%23frankenstorm&src=typd]https://twitter.com/search?q=%23frankenstorm&src=typdAnd @TheFrankenstorm was born on twitter. I think he's gearing up to tweet it. (note 'The' in his name. Without it you get some guy in Montreal who thinks twitter is 'froot'. :-? [/break1]com/TheFrankenstorm]https://twitter.com/TheFrankenstorm

User avatar
esseff44
Posts: 9247
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:40 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby esseff44 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

UGH. I'm scheduled to fly from San Francisco to Portland, Maine on a Monday-night/Tuesday-morning red-eye with a connection in Atlanta. Do I even try this or should I weenie out now?

I would not want to get stuck in Atlanta for an indefinite period when we are having the best weather of the year right now in NorCal. Nothing weenie about good common sense.

User avatar
mimi
Posts: 27927
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:01 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby mimi » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

UGH. I'm scheduled to fly from San Francisco to Portland, Maine on a Monday-night/Tuesday-morning red-eye with a connection in Atlanta. Do I even try this or should I weenie out now?

San Francisco is so lovely. :D --> <!-- s:D --><img src= " title="Very Happy" />:D --> Go see Beach Blanket Babylon and hang around for a few.

neonzx
Posts: 4413
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby neonzx » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

I was just speaking with a friend who is in Newark on business. He's trying to figure out what is happening there given NYC is essentially shutting down tonight/tomorrow. I'm not seeing any news about Newark but given NYC's response, Newark will likely follow similarly? :-k

User avatar
TollandRCR
Posts: 15691
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:17 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby TollandRCR » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:23 pm

My mother is worried about New York where my brother is. Any indications about how badly New York will be hit? And is there a website where one can track the storm?

[link]This is the official Website,http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5-daynl[/link] of the National Hurricane Center.





The rains will begin to hit NYC this evening; there is a flood watch. There will be a storm surge, which will be a problem for Long Island and the opposite coast of Connecticut. Fire Island must be evacuated by 2:00PM today. Sustained winds above 40mph will start around 9:00AM Monday, with gusts rising to 89mph around 3:00PM Monday. Temps will be in the 50's F. Heavy rain Monday evening with declining winds. The high wind warning ends at 6:00PM on Tuesday.





I think these winds are high enough to cause an order to evacuate skyscrapers. Amtrak is canceling NYC-Washington train service, and airlines have begun moving planes to the interior. There are 66,549,869 people in the zone of winds in the 40-60mph range or higher, and billions of dollars worth of property (some of which has not been fully rebuilt since Hurricane Irene of August, 2011).





Washington Post October 28, 2012 [link]Hurricane Sandy may be unprecedented in East Coast storm history,http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/hurricane-sandy-may-be-unprecedented-in-east-coast-storm-history/2012/10/26/4f6660e6-1f6e-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html[/link]


Model simulations have consistently simulated minimum pressures below 950 mb, which would be the lowest on record in many areas.





“MODELS SHOW PRESSURE WELL BEYOND WHAT HAS EVER BEEN OBSERVED NEAR THE NJ/NY COAST (EVEN EXCEEDING THE 1938 LONG ISLAND EXPRESS [HURRICANE])*”, writes NOAA’s Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (HPC).





Connecticut meteorologist Ryan Hanrahan noted there has only been one tropical storm with the pressure below 960 mb in the last 60 years in the Northeast.

It is the upper-air steering pattern that gives this storm its potential ferocity and its unpredictability as a hybrid storm -- a winter storm and an extratropical hurricane. At least one computer model still shows that trough of cold air steering Sandy away from North America. [edit]That model (BAMM**) shows Sandy making landfall in Nova Scotia.[/edit]





* The Long Island Express hurricane of 1938 caused one of the greatest natural disasters of American history. It was a Cat 5 but hit New England as a Cat 3. The storm killed 688 people and injured thousands. 75,000 buildings were damaged or destroyed, and 2,600 boats were destroyed. Hartford flooded from the Connecticut River, 19.4' above flood stage. Parts of New London and Mystic were on fire from downed power lines. It is still the worst natural disaster for New York City, Connecticut, and Rhode Island.





[imgwidth=240]http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/historical/sep1938.jpg[/imgwidth] [imgwidth=240]http://m5.paperblog.com/i/5/59369/the-great-hurricane-of-1938-batting-down-the--L-XZEyeV.jpeg[/imgwidth] [imgwidth=240]http://www.celebrateboston.com/photo/disasters/hurricane-of-1938-wrecked-boats.jpg[/imgwidth]





[edit]**

[link]The BAMM model,http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/models.asp[/link] (Beta and advection model, medium layer) is included on Wundermap. The BAMM is a simple trajectory model that is very fast to run, and did the best of any individual model at 3-5 day track forecasts in 2005. Since this model is always available, we have included it along with the "big four". In general, one should not trust the BAMM model for the 1-2 day time period when output from "the big four" are available. "The big four" are generally not available for tropical disturbances, and for these situations we post plots of a number of other non-global models such as the LBAR, A98E, etc. All of these models are described in detail on NHC's web site.

[link]BAM - The Beta and Advection Model,http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/nwpmodel/html/nhcmodel.htm[/link]


The Beta and Advection Model is a baroclinic-dynamical track prediction model. It produces a forecast track by following a trajectory in the vertically averaged horizontal wind starting at the current storm location out to 120 hours. The trajectory is corrected to account for the variation of the Coriolis force with latitude, the so-called Beta effect. (Beta is the Greek letter frequently used in meteorological equations to represent the change in the Coriolis parameter with latitude.)





The figure shows how the conservation of absolute vorticity results in the formation of anticyclonic relative vorticity in the northeast quadrant of the storm, and the formation of cyclonic relative vorticity in the southwest quadrant of the storm: Diagram of absolute vorticity advection and relative vorticity formation in the vicinity of a tropical cyclone.. The result adds a component of motion to the northwest to the storm's trajectory.





Three versions of the BAM model are run with shallow (850-700 mb), medium (850-400 mb), and deep (850-200 mb) layers. All three versions of the model are run operationally four times per day.





Reference: Marks, D. G., 1992: The beta and advection model for hurricane track forecasting. NOAA Tech. Memo. NWS NMC- 70, 89 pp.

[/edit]

User avatar
Sugar Magnolia
Posts: 4487
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:44 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Sugar Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:26 pm

UGH. I'm scheduled to fly from San Francisco to Portland, Maine on a Monday-night/Tuesday-morning red-eye with a connection in Atlanta. Do I even try this or should I weenie out now?

My vote is "weenie" but I've been through Camille and Katrina so I tend to weenie out when the big ones come around. YMMV.

User avatar
MsDaisy
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:30 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby MsDaisy » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:34 pm

UGH. I'm scheduled to fly from San Francisco to Portland, Maine on a Monday-night/Tuesday-morning red-eye with a connection in Atlanta. Do I even try this or should I weenie out now?

I doubt you have to weenie out, probability is that a lot of air traffic will be grounded and totally screw up a lot of travel plans.

User avatar
Whatever4
Posts: 8308
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:36 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Whatever4 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:39 pm

If you HAVE to go there, you could see if you can get rerouted to Boston and take Amtrak or Concord Coach to Portland. Airlines are making free changes. Or rebook for Wednesday or later. Rain has started in... Belize.

User avatar
Suranis
Posts: 9969
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:04 am

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby Suranis » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:58 pm

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/epsilon_and_zeta.png

User avatar
verbalobe
Posts: 8406
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:27 pm

Hurricane Sandy, Oct 2012 - and AFTERMATH

Postby verbalobe » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:58 pm

Still no rain in NOVA. Breeze picking up a bit.Pot of chili on the stove, gluten-free apple crisp in the oven, and email sent to work warning them I may not have power for periods Mon-Tue.Now to do some critiques!


Return to “American Culture & Current Events”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests