Rather than continue to clutter up the Arpaio thread, I thought it might be best to spin off Ms. Viviano into her own thread. I'll port over some of my other findings on her, but first, I thought it was worth pointing out that Pat actually found one of her Birther posts to be quote-worthy, over three years ago. Before Pat had even begun using the word "Birther."



She's not only an Orly fan; she was an Orly fan in December 2008. Within, like, three weeks of Orly first getting publicly involved in Birtherism. Just like she was posting on Obamacrimes within a month of Berg's August 2008 lawsuit.

And to throw more cold water on the notion that Ms. Viviano is a Democrat:

The PUMAs are the ones behind this most recent "Obama threatened Chelsea" scam, and it absolutely boggles the mind when you think about it. According to many RWNJs Bill and Hillary murdered literally hundreds of people in their time in the Arkansas Governors Office and Whitehouse, I mean the Clinton death list is a thing to behold, and yet we are being led to believe that a Junior Senator (a black one with a middle name of Hussein) somehow intimidated Bill and Hillary (with a supposed history of intimidating and murdering people) who were suddenly all askeeeeeeeerd of the nasty black guy. I mean come on folks, get your fucking memes straight.
Oh and if anyone thinks that Bill and Hillary had usable info on Obama being "not eligible" for the Presidency and think they would not use it due to "threats" against Chelsea, are, not to put too fine a point on it, brain dead. Hillary wanted the Presidency so bad she could taste it. Even the slightest smidgen of evidence that Obama was not eligible would have been mentioned in every speech from Iowa onwards. Really people the PUMAs are dead, quick poking them with a stick.

Here is the link to WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

Poor Chelsea too. She's the real innocent in this bitch's scheme. Hope she sues her.

Gee never finished, nothing there. Wonder why.


Oh, 'cause there's nothing there...

And despite the suggestion (both on the website, and elsewhere) that the documentary isn't finished, it's nonetheless available on YouTube. Where it was posted in August 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Silenced2008

Thanks Loren....

via Wilmott:

via ORYR:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot ... ducer.html








http://www.globemagazine.com/story/817

Predictably, Orly has just subpoenaed Viviano.

Images of the subpoena available at the House O' Malware. Orly has scheduled it for 20 April at her offices. The subpoena is allegedly for the Mississippi case, but it's a California subpoena - starts out "The People of the State of California, To" and everything.

On the bright side, Orly posted a subpoena for ol' Bettina, the "top" Hollywood producer "bigwig".

She's supposed to appear on 4/20 (Weed Day) at 9 a.m. in Rancho Santa Margarita for her deposition in the Mississippi ballot challenge case.





Orly gonna put her on the witness stand and squeeze bitch dry. That'll teach her to open her fat mouf.

I'll let the crapticing IAALs 'splain you various and sundry errors and miscues ...

Does Orly know that opposing counsel get to attend depositions? Is this her first chance to screech Mr. Tepper?

I would hazard a guess that Mr Begley will insist that any deposition take place in Mississippi.

Ya think? Wouldn't he love to come visit sunny SoCal, 'specially now when Mississippi shows all the signs of having another sweltering stinky hot summer in not too long a time?

'Course, the fact that Orly's been taught forcibly in other cases that she can't just issue a valid subpoena in a case from another state where she isn't even admitted PHV might come back to bite her this time.

Remember all the times she tried to get 'letters rogatory' and a court-issued subpoena in Georgia, trying to subpoena Loretta Fuddy and the vault-copy birth certificate in Hawaii? So she KNOWS she can't just issue a subpoena like this. This is deliberate, intentional, knowing and malicious abuse of process, not that I think that's a bad thing. In OrlyLaw it's perfectly ethical and legal. In Mississippi, might be a different story, especially since she made the subpoena look as though it was issued in the Mississippi case. They might have a less tolerant view of abuse of process than Orly does.

I think she's counting on the judge's illness to keep him from stopping her on this one. That's why the rush, a subpoena dated 4/13 with an appearance date of 4/20. Same with the amended complaint she knows she doesn't have leave to file. She's going to try to get away with anything she possibly can while the judge is indisposed and unable to order her to stop.

Not that I think that's a bad thing. In OrlyLaw ...

Maybe she'll just show up long enough to claim her witness fees. Surely Orly has enough spare pennies lying around for that. If not, it will give her another excuse to beg for money.

I can't see why anyone on the other side would lift a finger to help this lying birfer POS, who is desperately attempting to distract from her utter failure of a career (really look up her illustrious career on IMDB and its ratings on RottenTomatoes) by making up lies about the President.

Let her figure out her own way out of the pit of Orly her big, stupid, lying mouth has dug for her. Nothing she can possibly say is admissible in Mississippi.

OK, now you lost me. How would it help Viviano if opposing counsel attended the deposition?

Suppose Viviano shows up ready to testify and Orly has a court reporter. Wouldn't opposing counsel want to be there?

It would help if they shut down the entire farce, since she likely does not want to appear.

They may also have different ideas of utility, but I am also unaware it could be much use to show up to observe. Why help the other side by giving them an opportunity to cure objections to what is likely inadmissible hearsay when Orly will bungle basic, foundational matters if not interrupted?

I suppose the other side may have a different calculus as to the utility of participating. After all, there's a reasonable shot Orly ends up paying for both sides' costs and fees.

Hmmm -- hasn't Orly at other times correctly obtained a subpoena signed by the clerk of court

and the IANAL question of the day:
How many days in advance does a Real Lawyer submit a subpoena to the intended witness? I expect there are some rules at federal and state level to follow too. Also. Except in OrlyLaw. Where one requests presence before the inkjet paint had even time to dry off.

Ahh. But they can't do that, AFAIK. Only the judge can shut it down. I don't think opposing counsel can contact Ms. Viviano and advise her not to appear. And I doubt they can convince Orly to cancel the deposition pending the recovery of the judge's health. I think that's her whole point -- she's going to try to get away with anything she can while the judge is ill. I don't think she was going to give notice to opposing counsel, either. They're not on the invitation list, which is why I think they should crash the party.

OK. I think it could be a good opportunity for some psyops and to help Orly with her stress level, but of course only if Orly manages to serve Viviano and Viviano then shows up instead of hiring an attorney to fight the subpoena. I kinda doubt the deposition is going to take place at all, with or without opposing counsel. But if she manages to get her first deposition in her career, it would be fun to be in the room making pointed observations as well as objections (and I doubt any objections like hearsay could be cured without deposing the Big Dog himself).

It's an interesting question, but only if there's going to really be a depo, which seems unlikely. How's Orly going to serve Viviano? By email?

Yeah - that PHV sounds interesting. On page 2 she claims not only to be a plaintiff but also an attorney for "pro se". I guess her success in crossquestioning herself in the wetness stand at the GA hearing made quite some impression

Would a real court reporter be asking for the whereabouts of opposing counsel before starting taking script and if going forward note the absence of said person?

If she's actually willing to show up, it doesn't matter. Actually, if she isn't willing to show up, it also doesn't matter.

I wonder if Orly understands that generally, one takes the deposition of the other side's witnesses. If so, she has no clue why. I also wonder if she thinks she can use this dumb deposition without the witness being present in Mississippi available for cross examination.

I doubt she has any idea of what an own goal this whole idea is.

Nope, not their job.

And yes, the absence of any opposing party/s would be listed on the Appearances portion of the deposition, basically a follows (depending on the format for the jurisdiction) but basically:

For the Defendant X:
NO APPEARANCE

et cetera

Attorneys often take the depositions of their favorable witnesses if they live out of state (or they are someone who might not be able to attend the trial, i.e., a physician). The depositions are usually notice as being for the preservation of evidence at trial. The opposing attorney will cross-examine the witness during the deposition as if the witness was live at trial. The deposition can be used at trial, subject to all the usual objections, as if the witness was physically present.

That Orly is taking the deposition of an out of state (out of Mississippi) witness is not unusual. She just cannot figure out the procedure that is necessary to take such a deposition.