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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:55 pm 
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As someone pointed out up thread: Apuzzo's argument seemed to be "Yes, each of my points taken individually is complete bullshit but I have a whole lot of it your honor." =))

See Apuzzo's A Catalog of Evidence - Concerned Americans Have Good Reason to Doubt that Putative President Obama Was Born in Hawaii.

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=)) =)) =))

OMG....when Hill brought up other cases that says that born in US = NBC, The putz said that they didn't spend time reasoning what an NBC is. And the Judge was like (my paraphrasing) "wtf are you talking about? The decisions are declaratory on what an NBC is."

I've seen better arguers on Judge Judy.

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My biggest =)) came with the presentation of the yearbook picture with the name Barry Obama. I was afraid the judge was going to lose it and start rolling on the floor himself. I am sure it took great restraint. Yes, it looked like the president. Yes, we know he used that nickname in high school. Okay, for the sake of argument, we could recognize that picture as being our president.
So what are you trying to prove? Apuzzo was stunned by the question.

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And the official certification is up:

http://www.nj.gov/state/elections/2012- ... idates.pdf

Here's the list of certified candidates as of today:

http://www.nj.gov/state/elections/2012- ... t-0412.pdf

Sorry, Mario - Obama's on there.


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Crap, I'm going to have to watch those videos now. I figured 3 hours would have to be boring. My error was going to look at the Defendant lawyer's expression. I got sucked into the vortex. Thank dog I have popcorn.

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Does the judge take a swipe at the "empty chair defense" near the end of video #3?

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"I will say this, Miss Hill, because I know in other cases, for whatever reasons, the respondent in those cases has chosen not to appear. And I appreciate, regardless of whether you win or lose this, I appreciate the fact that in this case the respondent did decide that it was appropriate to have representation. In some other cases, that has not been the case, and I think that it is helpful and I'm glad that that is the position that the campaign decided to take, and I think it was the appropriate one, uh, that they did participate because I think that's important."


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As for the campaign lawyer, I think she was occasionally looking back and communicating with a colleague as to how the case was going. For the most part she just had to keep the chair warm.

As a first-year associate she almost undoubtedly had a more senior lawyer there supervising her and ready to give assistance if needed.
Or she was looking back at an empty chair for advice and support.


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Agreed. And how cool to represent the President in your first year of practice when so many other first-years are stuck in the library writing research memos.


This assignment to her shows they have confidence in her, and in their defense against these pathetic morans and their ridiculous case. It's rubbing it into Putz's face, the OFA telling the fat loud mouthed birther jerks who think they are bully badasses "I sent my kid sister to fight in my place...because I knew she would kick the butts of all 3 of you fat, stupid, shitheads from beginning to end !"
Smart move. Facts and Law demolish them when the birthers are allowed to "present their case" and have it heard on its merits.

IMO, that's the most effective way. Despite the glaring defects in their incompetent filings that should result in quick dismissal,
when the judge is up to the challenge, defense should not fear letting the birthers "present their case". The judge will rule on their evidence and chop apart all their their kooky nonsense. Even if the birthers have a decent attorney who has control of his mind, (not a scatterbrained whackjob like Apuzzo or Taitz) they have no case. They have no evidence. One judge referred to birthers as "Sisyphus", fighting (in the wrong courts) to undo what is very solid, very well settled law.

Put defense counsel in place, even a brand new attorney. Treat the birthers as a punching bag. Have no mercy. Destroy their evidence and their nonsense arguments. Make it a point to go after the campaign of frivolous suits. Request the court make the plaintiff pay costs and the greatest possible sanctions be imposed. Ask the court to register complaints to the relevant Bar Association (if not a true pro se). Birthers are noxious weeds. Yank them out and thrown they away.

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Does the judge take a swipe at the "empty chair defense" near the end of video #3?

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"I will say this, Miss Hill, because I know in other cases, for whatever reasons, the respondent in those cases has chosen not to appear. And I appreciate, regardless of whether you win or lose this, I appreciate the fact that in this case the respondent did decide that it was appropriate to have representation. In some other cases, that has not been the case, and I think that it is helpful and I'm glad that that is the position that the campaign decided to take, and I think it was the appropriate one, uh, that they did participate because I think that's important."


:-k

Translation: Thank you for not leaving me alone with Apuzzo and his nutjob clients. And for objecting so I could keep as much of this crap out as the law would permit.

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I saw that and came to the same conclusion. I think he felt more comfortable making his ruling with someone from the defense there to object. An empty chair would have won however.

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Reality Check wrote:
Unfortunately for Mario Judge Masin had actually read Wong Kim Ark, had read Ankeny, and had read Judge Malihi's decision. I think he even said he knew Judge Malihi if I heard correctly.


Perhaps from attending the same Shi'a mosque with a congregation of Iranians ...?


I hope you devote some more time on your radio show to this masterpiece, RC !! You've got tons of audio to splice in for
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Crap, I'm going to have to watch those videos now. I figured 3 hours would have to be boring. My error was going to look at the Defendant lawyer's expression. I got sucked into the vortex. Thank dog I have popcorn.

-xx -xx -xx


Yeah, I wasn't gonna, but I'm glad I did.

Mario really showed what an ass and terrible lawyer he is.

An the purple is just nasty.

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Its funny not one case heard on merit.[...]


:-? WTF did Apuzzo just argue?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmfisorUcc

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Just a few observations. I would have thought that an experienced lawyer from NJ would have known the NY law regarding eligibility challenges. Mario had to be told several times that the evidence he presented was not relevant and that were only limited grounds for objecting to candidates. He is as thick as 2 short planks.
It seems to me that the Judge need not have addressed the definition of NBC because it was irrelevant to the case. He was very knowledgeable about the birthers and I think, as others have said, that he wanted an opportunity to put down the birthers. While this is not a full court surely, any future judge can say, as they have said with Ankeny, I agree with the reasoning.
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And another thing, Mario admitted that the internet image of the B/C has no value as evidence, something that we have been saying for a long time.
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Y'know, Putz used to be a minimally intelligent drunk driving defense attorney before he got into the birfer biz and obotz started slapping him and his arguments silly every time he trotted them out in any forum he showed up in (and actually had to take responses). Too stoopid to bow out, he just kept taking it on the kisser and insisted it didn't even hit him. It's been an on-going intellectual concussion that just blew what grey matter he had away.

Poor guy, he's something akin to "punch-drunk". He's "obotz-drunk". We iz some mean obotz! :twisted:

Edit: stoopit stearn :twisted: tiepow :evil:

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I want to know whether Judge Masin has created a user ID on the Fogbow yet. I can tell that he is a reader.

He was so well informed, it's hard to believe that he picked all the knowledge he showed over Easter weekend.

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Here's the list of certified candidates as of today:

http://www.nj.gov/state/elections/2012- ... t-0412.pdf


On a tangentially related topic, I checked the list of Candidates for Texashttp://www.txdemocrats.org/2012/[/link] (full list .csv) to see if Randal Terry or another candidate could mess with my (I'm the Chair) County Convention next Saturday.

Texas actually has three additional candidates who also had to pay a $2500 filing fee and get 1000 signatures statewide.

[link]John Wolfe
(pro Occupy Wall Street), Bob Ely (he'll give everyone a job and raise taxes), and Darcy G. Richardson (anti-war, anti-Wall-Street, pro-Occupy, government isn’t the enemy).

I hadn't heard anything about them, but I don't think they will disrupt my convention.

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Does the judge take a swipe at the "empty chair defense" near the end of video #3?


No. I think the judge realizes that the "empty chair defense" was not a failure of the defense in Georgia, but an act made necessary because of a certain ALJ's incompetence.

The competent judge was actually pleased the defense showed up, even though it did not have to show up to win.

Judges generally prefer that all parties be represented, because things go more smoothly.

Rarely, someone who is not actually a judge may choose to hold a completely improper proceeding. That has only happened once in these cases, though. The Putz was not lucky enough to find himself in such a proceeding.

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Tomtech wrote:
On a tangentially related topic....Texas actually has three additional candidates who also had to pay a $2500 filing fee and get 1000 signatures statewide.

John Wolfe (pro Occupy Wall Street), Bob Ely (he'll give everyone a job and raise taxes), and Darcy G. Richardson (anti-war, anti-Wall-Street, pro-Occupy, government isn’t the enemy).

I hadn't heard anything about them, but I don't think they will disrupt my convention.


I know John. He is a nice guy and competent attorney. Why he is running around the USA running for president, I do not know. He has also run for local offices. He came in 2nd in Louisiana and actually won a parish or two.

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Agreed. And how cool to represent the President in your first year of practice when so many other first-years are stuck in the library writing research memos.


Agreed.

What I thought was cool about the young attorney was a) that the law firm obviously had the confidence in her to allow her to appear at the hearing to represent the president, but I most enjoyed the fact that they sent what the case deserved... a junior associate to face The (great birfer lawyer) Putz. =))

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All these primary challenges "on the merits" have laid quite a foundation for judges to quickly dispatch the inevitable ones that will be filed in the general election.

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Tomtech wrote:
I want to know whether Judge Masin has created a user ID on the Fogbow yet. I can tell that he is a reader.

He was so well informed, it's hard to believe that he picked all the knowledge he showed over Easter weekend.


I actually kind of hope he isn't, because if he is and Orly (or other birther-lawyers) found out, asking for a recusal would be just the beginning. A Fogbow judge would be looked upon as even more vile than a Muslim one.

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Does this count as two wins for the Constitution since Patrick Galasso's objection was included in the dismissal? ;)

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BFB wrote:
Does the judge take a swipe at the "empty chair defense" near the end of video #3?


No. I think the judge realizes that the "empty chair defense" was not a failure of the defense in Georgia, but an act made necessary because of a certain ALJ's incompetence.

The competent judge was actually pleased the defense showed up, even though it did not have to show up to win.

Judges generally prefer that all parties be represented, because things go more smoothly.

Rarely, someone who is not actually a judge may choose to hold a completely improper proceeding. That has only happened once in these cases, though. The Putz was not lucky enough to find himself in such a proceeding.


Having defense counsel present to make the proper objections to Putz's and Purple's "stuff" helped the judge tremendously. It wasn't pre-arranged, she simply did her job - she knew the NJ statutes that were involved, she knew the complaint (better then the plaintiff's attorney, it would appear....), and she had done her research on relevant case law - which is Plentiful. So had the Judge.

IANAL, but this hearing went the way "THE FOUNDERS" (that Putz and his buddies like to talk about) would prefer. John Adams and his peers would be pleased to know that facts and the law were successfully defended against the raving lunacy of unreasonable dipwads...dipwads who don't even bother to read the statutes. Dipwads who's only complaint is they they don''t like that Barack Obama was elected POTUS, fair and square.

Apuzzo is like all birthers, trying to mislead the press by saying this court's decision is a "sham of justice " for allowing the heinous crime of Obama being on the ballot...its a crime because kooks are ACCUSING...so therefore he MUST be removed from office...
by whichever municipal or town or traffic court, or zoning board that they can find to rule in their favor....
Ludicrous. Factually and procedurally it is absolutely Ludicrous.
The US Constitution outlines how to remove a President from office, and nowhere does it mention anything about county and state courts, or even Federal courts. Future birther complaints - anywhere - need to be shut down and the person's filing the complaint get spanked and directed to take it up with the House of Representatives.
But spank them.
Every magistrates and Defense counsel who are burdened by future birther complaints or appeals should have at their disposal a complete package - including the transcripts and ruling from these proceedings - to help them. As Judge Masin said, "We don't need to reinvent the wheel..."

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Unfortunately typical shitty job of reporting and writing in this Patch article about the hearing. It's cross-posted on a number of Patch sites in NJ.

http://redbank.patch.com/articles/judge-rules-against-obama-objectors

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According to Apuzzo, the attorney representing New Jersey residents Nick Purpura and Ted Moran, Deputy Director and Administrative Law Judge Jeff Masin ruled against the ballot challenge following a more than three-hour hearing earlier this week. His decision, delivered to Apuzzo via email, was not based on the issues presented in the challenge, namely that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States and that a birth certificate released by the White House last April is fraudulent, but rather on a technicality, Apuzzo said.


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What struck Apuzzo, he said, was not just the judge's decision, but a concession made by Hill that the court has no documented evidence of Obama's birth. Armed with a number of witnesses, including an expert who was willing to testify that Obama's birth certificate, posted online in April 2011 by the White House, was fraudulent, Apuzzo was instead told to holster his guns.


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Though the judge ruled the Obama isn't required to prove his ballot eligibility, Apuzzo considers the concession a win of sorts, one he hopes will help his case gain traction should it appear before an appellate court. He stressed that he's willing to go as far as he can to prove that Obama does not belong on the state's ballot. Should that mean taking the case to the State Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court, Apuzzo said he's ready.


I don't know who the bigger moron is here, the writer of this or Apuzzo.

Thankfully, the comments are overwhelmingly anti-birther.

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