Trayvon Martin's MURDER in Sanford, FL

obot 1024 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:25 pm **Posts:** 661

What do the lawyers here think about the 2nd degree murder charge?

Does that mean they have evidence his self defense claims were baseless?

Tink · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:54 pm

I really like Ms. Corey. Incredibly professional, well spoken, she was the right choice for the job.

I wonder what information they had, to have come up with Murder2? I was really expecting just manslaughter.

TexasFilly · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:52 pm **Posts:** 10775

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Florida Second Degree Murder Laws

Overview of Florida Second Degree Murder Laws

In Florida, state laws establish several types of homicide, the unlawful killing of a human being. The state prosecutes homicides as murders and manslaughters -- it may be helpful to know the multiple types of murders established by state law and understand the differences among them. In particular, second degree murder lacks the premeditation often required for the prosecution of a first degree murder.

To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill.

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Penalties and Sentences

A second degree murder prosecuted as a first degree felony may result in a sentence of imprisonment for a term lasting up to thirty years. Florida laws also permit the state to request a term of life imprisonment. If the defendant has a prior record of felony convictions or has committed other homicides, the state may request an increased sentence of imprisonment for life.
Florida Second Degree Murder Statute

Florida Statutes Sections 782.02-782.36

http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/secon ... r/florida/

I will be interested to read Paul Lentz' take on this.

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:02 pm

About Zimmerman's "attorneys." Isn't there some kind of retainer agreement necessary before someone can claim to represent somebody publicly? Or is that somewhat loosey-goosey?

Litlebritdifrnt2 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:04 pm

I also thought Ms. Corey was perfectly poised and articulate. She refused to discuss the details of the case as is proper, despite the reporters yelling at her like a pack of rabid dogs. I was particularly impressed by how she emphasized that as prosecutors their job is on behalf of "the victim" in this case obviously Trayvon. She kept saying how they were advocates for the "victim and the victim's family". She obviously believes that she has got a rock solid Murder 2 case against Zimmerman, which of course means that she thinks his "self defense" argument is bullshit.

I was however disappointed that she stuck up for Sanford PD, saying that (I paraphrase) they were halfway through their investigation when she was called in. Bullshit, they didn't do any investigation, they let the guy go. If there is a dead guy with a bullet in him you arrest the guy that pulled the trigger (if only for something as simple as discharging a firearm in a residential area, a crime here in NC) and then investigate, if your investigation turns up nothing you let the guy go. If your investigation turns up a murder charge you charge him.

Corey didn't just indict Zimmerman today, she indicted the Sanford PD. They should also be prosecuted.

TexasFilly · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:52 pm **Posts:** 10775

Hey, O'rly's old lawyer from the Rivernider case, Bradford Cohen, was just on CNN.

MsDaisy · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Zimmerman’s first court appearance

So what’s up with all the eye rolling? Are we not a happy camper?

jtmunkus · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:53 pm

Zimmerman will have a tough choice between the white supremacist and the Latino gangs when he gets to prison.

So many choices, so little [so much?] time...

:-({|=

Somerset · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:20 pm

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/12 ... r-charges/

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The news of George Zimmerman’s arrest and charges of Second Degree murder for the shooting of Trayvon Martin brought much-needed closure to Trayvon’s family, protestors, and to the calm and rational citizens following this tragedy closely. But not to the rabid racists at Fox Nation.

Now, the racial overtones of the Trayvon Martin case has unleashed a whole new level of racism not seen since lynchings in the South. And if there’s anything worse that putrid racism, it’s grammatically incorrect putrid racism.

Fox News readers, very analogous to its viewers, immediately strike me as the type of people who think President Obama is an evil black socialist who’s going to show up at their house, kick over their Mountain Dew Code Red, expropriate their Nutter Butters, and pilfer their guns and bibles and convert them into hard dollars to redistribute to Marxist throughout the land. The only difference, of course, is that while Fox News viewers can simply shout fragmented slurs of incoherence and shoot at the television screen, Fox News readers can actually write (or their version of writing since learnin’ be for socialists and terrorists) what their thinking for all eyes to see.

Fox News’ readers have unleashed a fury of racism with regard to the Trayvon Martin case in the past, so these most recent racist rantings hardly flabbergast. However, they must have channeled their anger from that one time when their African-American Wal-Mart underling addressed them by their first name or something.

More crunchy goodness at the link

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:20 pm

I wonder how close this affidavit (from the CNN report) is to the report that police officers submitted when asking for the arrest of George Zimmerman, only to be denied by the State's Attorney? This could become a Federal case against that attorney.

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Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

verbalobe · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:30 pm

Somerset wrote:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/12/fox-news-commenters-unleash-unholy-racist-hell-following-zimmermans-murder-charges/

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...And if there’s anything worse that putrid racism, it’s grammatically incorrect putrid racism.

...convert them into hard dollars to redistribute to Marxists throughout the land.

...Fox News readers can actually write ... what their they're thinking for all eyes to see.

Not sure who this blogger is, but it might behoove them to enlist a grammarian friend as editor, when excoriating other people's incorrect grammar. Just sayin'.

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However, they must have channeled their anger from that one time when their African-American Wal-Mart underling addressed them by their first name or something.

That's a slur against Wal-Mart assistant managers everywhere. :twisted:

borealis · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:34 pm

TollandRCR wrote:

I wonder how close this affidavit (from the CNN report) is to the report that police officers submitted when asking for the arrest of George Zimmerman, only to be denied by the State's Attorney? This could become a Federal case against that attorney.

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Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

I have this idea that George called his dad for help. And Dad called the DA and asked a favor. DA gets in the car, drives 2 hours and shuts down the investigation. Tollie, you're on target.

John Thomas8 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:39 pm

But the nutjobs say that Martin earned it 'cause he had pot residue in a baggy one time and a screw driver one time and wore a hoodie on a cold night.

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4221

John Thomas8 wrote:

But the nutjobs say that Martin earned it 'cause he had pot residue in a baggy one time and a screw driver one time and wore a hoodie on a cold rainy night.

FIFY

John Thomas8 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:45 pm

I was just repeating what I saw. There's a small band of morons posting here that have lost their everlovin' minds. (now that I think of it, you probably can't check that thread without registering, sorry.)

Sugar Magnolia · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:58 pm

John Thomas8 wrote:

But the nutjobs say that Martin earned it 'cause he had pot residue in a baggy one time and a screw driver one time and wore a hoodie on a cold night.

It's all about the hoodie, dontchaknow?

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:03 pm

Today was a chilly, rainy, and windy day on campus. I cannot estimate how many hardened criminals I saw on the campus, each one wearing a hoodie, often pulled up.

Of course, some of them were bought at the Rally held on campus a couple of weeks ago.

Sugar Magnolia · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:08 pm

TollandRCR wrote:

Today was a chilly, rainy, and windy day on campus. I cannot estimate how many hardened criminals I saw on the campus, each one wearing a hoodie, often pulled up.

Of course, some of them were bought at the Rally held on campus a couple of weeks ago.

Did you shoot any of them?

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:11 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:

Did you shoot any of them?

No, it did not occur to me. Besides, most of them were ineligible for shooting because they were white.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:14 pm

Cabela's ("the destination sporting goods store") is creating even more confusion for the White Supremacist vigilante: it is holding a sale on hoodies in all sizes. They are seriously threatening.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9708

MsDaisy wrote:

So what’s up with all the eye rolling? Are we not a happy camper?

Not to defend a guy of whom I am not exactly a fan, but I don't see anything particularly abnormal in this video. Being arraigned for a very serious crime is a stressful experience and most people will just be trying not to shit themselves.

Hearing for the first time that you are being charged with a felony, generally after being arrested, is going to cause an emotional response. I know this from both sides of the courtroom.

This looks like a pretty routine hearing, and in fact more than most people get, actually setting a hearing for an arraignment, rather than the actual arraignment, which would usually be something like occurred in this video.

Again, I am no fan of this guy, and have already decided I think he's guilty, but he is probably totally terrified at this point. He has suddenly been taken from the life he has known until now and been thrown into a completely different existence. He is going to have to figure out how to survive behind bars while being prosecuted for a horrible crime that could keep him there for life. I doubt he is thinking much, at this point, how he looks on TV.

MsDaisy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:39 am

I agree with you Loh, I should have used :roll:

with my comment. Zimmerman is terrified about what is going to happen to him, as well he should be, but I doubt that he is anywhere near as terrified as Trayvon was the night he stalked him down and murdered him, at least not yet anyway. I’m sure that he will come to understand it though while he wonders every minute of every day what or who is lurking around every corner waiting for him. If he is convicted, and I’m pretty sure he will be, he’ll very likely have to be kept in confinement of some sort for his own protection. He’ll live out the rest of his life in a cage within a cage inside a living hell.

Just deserts I calls it!

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4221

Zimmerman's attorney is saying he expects a bail hearing next week, probably on the 20th.

borealis · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:37 am

neonzx wrote:

Zimmerman's attorney is saying he expects a bail hearing next week, probably on the 20th.

They commented yesterday O'MAra had not put in a request for bail prior to his court hearing yesterday.

Emma · **Joined:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:25 am **Posts:** 2921

neonzx wrote:

Zimmerman's attorney is saying he expects a bail hearing next week, probably on the 20th.

I'm somewhat confused ... it's been reported by several sources that second-degree murder is a "non bondable offense" but I can't find reference to it here:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/ind ... pter%20903

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/ind ... 82.04.html

Am I looking in the wrong sections?

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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