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Yesterday, at a townhall in Sedalia, Missouri's Fourth District Representative, Republican Vicky Hartzler, joined the Birther Caucus saying she has "a lot of doubts" about the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate.


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"You know I have a lot of doubts about all [Obama's birth certificate]....I don’t understand why he didn’t show that right away." When asked to clarify her doubts during press availability after the event, Hartzler said: “I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate, and I think a lot of Americans do, but they claim it is, so we are just going to go with that.”

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/ ... er-birther

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 09082.html


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Birther Caucus now? They are soooooooooo fucking stupid or crazy.

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Birther Caucus now? They are soooooooooo fucking stupid or crazy.


FiredUp refers to Birther Caucus, as Tim Jones was one of Orly's plaintiffs, and there have been a few other Missouri legislator-birthers.

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Congresswoman Hartzler said enough that birthers know she is aware of one or more of their claims. Hartzler then said enough to let everyone else in the room know she wouldn't be wasting any time on any of them.
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Hartzler declined to say whether she believes Obama is a U.S. citizen, calling the issue “irrelevant” and said people should “focus attention on his specific policies and not his birth certificate.”
“I have plenty of disagreements with his policies,” she said.
http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/articles ... nging.html

Hartzler is just playing birthers for the fools they are. I wouldn't be surprised to read a birther claim look who is on their side now and completely miss the "irrelevant" comment Hartzler made.

I seem to recall a Youtube video with a California congressman tap dancing on the same issue not long ago.

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That was Stearns from Florida


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The congressman I was thinking about was Dan Lungren. The linked video is from a town hall meeting Aug 24, 2011. At that meeting Lungren told the crowd he has "profound" differences with the President that he believes need to be among his priorities.

I was wrong about Lungren pandering to the birther(s) in the audience. Unlike Hartzler, he told the crowd Pres Obama was legitimately elected and didn't even attempt to allow the birthers to believe he would adopt their claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyuWaPV3XT0

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The Hill has an article on it and as usual the Birthers are dispaying their stupidity, big time.

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Dont you notice the number inflation going on. there used to be 5 experts, but now in those they are saying 15 experts have said its a forgey. How long before they get up to 3 million?!?!?!

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Dont you notice the number inflation going on. there used to be 5 experts, but now in those they are saying 15 experts have said its a forgey. How long before they get up to 3 million?!?!?!


I thought it was 20 some time ago.

Of course, in reality it's 0 experts.

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Since the Posse named zero, and showed the credentials and certifications of none, why not claim an insanely high number? Five hundred experts! All of whom are ready to testify in a court of law but none of whom are willing to go on the record with as much as their name before then.

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I thought Zebest was their only or at least only named expert. Didn't she publish her report before the investigation began?

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*Birther trial day" Expert testimony.

"Yessir Mr Apussy, that darn Niiigerian's BC is a froaud,and my Mommy possessed on o my Ducks to tell me, and she told me to TELL THE WORLD in a court of law."

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You'd think that they'd want to have 10 000 experts. I mean after all (among other things), the Great Usurper assassinated Andrew Breitbart, and murdered a key Clinton adviser and threatened Chelsea to ensure the cooperation of Bill and Hillary (and you know how many comptrollers THEY buried alive). According to Dr. K(h)ate and Butterdezillion the NWO is causing tornadoes in Dallas to distract from Sheriff Joe. If I had signed a notarized daffydavit proclaiming that I downloaded the President's LFBC in PDF format and thought that Quartz is some sort of Adobe product, I'd be checking my emissions hose clamps regularly.

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a birther on the comment thread just claimed that there are 110 lawyers working with Arpaio that "have doubts" as well.


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Politico: Rep. Vicky Hartzler moves off birther comments

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Rep. Vicky Hartzler — who said last week that she has “doubts” about President Barack Obama’s birth certificate — was simply confirming “that this issue has been raised by many” of her constituents, according to her press secretary on Monday.

Hartzler’s press secretary Steve Walsh said the congresswoman, who told an audience at a town hall meeting she has “a lot of doubts” about the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate, is focused on job creation and the economy — not on the birth certificate controversy.

“In responding to a constituent’s question regarding the Obama birth certificate, Congresswoman Hartzler confirmed that this issue has been raised by many 4th District citizens with whom she has spoken,” Walsh told POLITICO. “Congresswoman Hartzler is focused on bringing about the conditions which are favorable to the creation of jobs and the improvement of America’s economy.”


Not exactly a strong denunciation, especially in light of the precise comments that she made last week, but the fact that her press secretary tried to create distance again demonstrates just how seriously Birtherism is taken inside of politics.

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This I think is one of those moments where politicians forget that in this 2012 information age everything is going to be remembered.

It wasn't long ago where a politician really could give a wink wink nod nod to a constituency and act with reasonable belief that others weren't ever going to find out about it. She made those comments and lets be honest, she meant every one of them at the time...then it made news and she had to back off, at least a little.

Of course, if she was honest, she would have answered that her constituents are wrong in this instance. The fact that some of them say he wasn't born in the US doesn't mean she has to pander to them. If a number of them asked her about UFO rumors she wouldn't say "Well I guess I have to believe in UFOs now."

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MotherJones has classified her a 'Slacker Birther'.


America's Most Anti-Gay Congresswoman Also a Birther

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| Mon Apr. 9, 2012 7:46 AM PDT

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A little over a year ago, my colleague Adam Serwer unveiled what he called the "birther lexicon," which split the field of conspiracy theorizing about the president into seven distinct categories, such as "ironic birther" and "post-birther." I think Hartzler actually falls into an eighth, and previously unidentified category: slacker birther. As in, "someone who has serious concerns that the President worked with the state of Hawaii in a vast conspiracy to fabricate his birth certificate to hide the fact that he was not born in the United States, and is thus constitutionally unqualified to be President—but never took 10 seconds to Google the thing for herself (here's a quick link) and doesn't feel like doing anything about it." Say what you will about Joe Arpaio (really, go ahead) but when he thinks he's uncovered a massive conspiracy to defraud the public, he takes action.


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/04/vic ... an-birther


The link to Serwer's Birther Lexicon from last year:
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This I think is one of those moments where politicians forget that in this 2012 information age everything is going to be remembered.

It wasn't long ago where a politician really could give a wink wink nod nod to a constituency and act with reasonable belief that others weren't ever going to find out about it. She made those comments and lets be honest, she meant every one of them at the time...then it made news and she had to back off, at least a little.

Of course, if she was honest, she would have answered that her constituents are wrong in this instance. The fact that some of them say he wasn't born in the US doesn't mean she has to pander to them. If a number of them asked her about UFO rumors she wouldn't say "Well I guess I have to believe in UFOs now."

I respectfully disagree. I believe Congresswoman Hartzler is just stringing the birthers along (and doing a very good job at it). She may be a freshman congress critter but she appears to have studied former Missouri 7th District Congressman (and now Senator) Roy Blunt well.

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Tarrant wrote:
This I think is one of those moments where politicians forget that in this 2012 information age everything is going to be remembered.

It wasn't long ago where a politician really could give a wink wink nod nod to a constituency and act with reasonable belief that others weren't ever going to find out about it. She made those comments and lets be honest, she meant every one of them at the time...then it made news and she had to back off, at least a little.

Of course, if she was honest, she would have answered that her constituents are wrong in this instance. The fact that some of them say he wasn't born in the US doesn't mean she has to pander to them. If a number of them asked her about UFO rumors she wouldn't say "Well I guess I have to believe in UFOs now."

I respectfully disagree. I believe Congresswoman Hartzler is just stringing the birthers along (and doing a very good job at it). She may be a freshman congress critter but she appears to have studied former Congressman (and now Senator) Roy Blunt well.


I don't mean she meant them at the time as necessarily "She believed what she said." I mean that she absolutely meant to speak those birther lines as a deliberate action to let them know she was "One of them". I absolutely agree that most politicians these days that talk about birtherism aren't doing it because they believe it (although there are likely a few), but rather because they think it gives them some sort of political advantage.

I'm surprised birthers fall for it - I mean they went absolutely gaga over Rep. Allan West, who flaunted with birtherism during his campaign, then dropped it with a thud as soon as he got into office.

Much like Sheriff Arpaio, when a politician, sheriff, etc. starts talking birther and says "Someone ought to do something!", but they don't, actually, try and do anything, you know they're just playing the birthers, because unlike the birther massesminimuses, they're in a position where they COULD do something if they wanted to, but don't.

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comedy central:

Meet Vicky Hartzler, the Laziest Birther in Congress

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I don't know, I haven't seen it. I'm just at the same place you are on that. You read this, you read that. But I don't understand why he didn't show that right away. I mean, if someone asked for my birth certificate, I'd get my baby book and hand it out and say 'Here it is,' so I don't know.

I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate, and I think a lot of Americans do, but they claim it is, so we are just going to go with that.


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I, for one, doubt that there really is a person named Vicky Hartzler. You read this, you read that about her comparisons of same-sex marriage to pedophilia. But I don't understand why I haven't seen a Wikipedia entry or a Roll Call profile for her. Granted, I haven't looked for evidence of Hartzler's existence, but if someone asked me if I really existed, I'd go up to them and say 'Here I am,' so I don't know.

I have doubts that there's someone as awful as Vicky Hartzler out there, and I think a lot of Americans do too, but some of these blog posts claim she exists, so I guess we are just going to go with that.


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