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Mr. Stein has been in the real estate business for a while, at least since February. Is this permitted?

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In some states, he could lose his license for a less-than-honorable discharge. Oh wait! This is California and we know it doesn't care about the activities of its licensees.

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In some states, he could lose his license for a less-than-honorable discharge.

You sure about that? A LTH discharge is not a dishonorable discharge. It's more of an administrative discharge vs. a court martial; a quick way to remove incompatible persons from the service. A LTH discharge doesn't automatically strip persons of VA benefits, pensions, etc.

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Not moving on...just branching out.

Still there

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gary-Stei ... 7993929079

Also still there

http://www.facebook.com/ArmedForcesTeaParty

Dump his azz, then let him run his mouth all he wants.

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A list of specific benefits attached to each type of discharge.

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Apparently Gary may be a pretender to the Armed Forces Tea Party throne. And the other one is not happy with that or his behavior...

http://redstate.com/thearmedforcesteaparty/

http://www.victorluebker.com/rants-and-raves.html

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SueDB wrote:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080112015320AA2Mwtm

Information on what a general under other than honorable conditions can do to and for you.



A list of specific benefits attached to each type of discharge.

Thank you. However, the OTH discharge seems to fall into an employment limbo. I would say hire at risk. If a soldier cant follow military rules, he probably couldn't follow my business procedures. And I would certainly never hire an OTH as a real estate agent who could put public welfare at risk.

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With me, it is a matter of trust. An OTH discharge indicates that the person is not suitable or able to follow instructions, rules, or has some disciplinary actions such as insubordination etc.

I couldn't reasonably trust him to carry out instructions from me and my engage in "other than honorable" dealings (cutting corners in business, expense account padding etc). It's just me... :-k

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Not moving on...just branching out.

Still there

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gary-Stei ... 7993929079



Yeah, he's still "there" for now, but his reminding his peeps that he's in the real estate biz suggests he's reading the handwriting on the wall and knows it's a very short matter of time before he's a less than honorably discharged Marine.

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Plutodog wrote:
Not moving on...just branching out.

Still there

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gary-Stei ... 7993929079



Yeah, he's still "there" for now, but his reminding his peeps that he's in the real estate biz suggests he's reading the handwriting on the wall and knows it's a very short matter of time before he's a less than honorably discharged Marine.

Yeah, but I bets he hopes to get on the speaking circuit, and act out his patriot hero role for $$$ as well.

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He's not eligible for a government job. Also, he is at risk of having no unemployment to cover him until he can get a job. He also loses his GI bill.
Has possible GI home loan on a case by case basis (TBD by the VA)...

Looses any accrued leave - not a nice way to go. All of that and having to pay back some bonuses ect is not going to be very pretty.

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With me, it is a matter of trust. An OTH discharge indicates that the person is not suitable or able to follow instructions, rules, or has some disciplinary actions such as insubordination etc.

I couldn't reasonably trust him to carry out instructions from me and my engage in "other than honorable" dealings (cutting corners in business, expense account padding etc). It's just me... :-k


May I add:

commingling of funds.

embezzlement.

fraud.

Does anyone know if a military service member was discharged for similar insubordination during Dubya's admin?

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nbc has part of an affadavit:

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Stein – Affidavit Col Dowling

I can attest to the negative impact these events have had, and continue to have, on my Command. Specifically, I am aware of an incident that occurred in the afternoon on 22 March 2012 where a member of my command got into a verbal altercation with Sergeant Stein regarding the comments Sergeant Stein had been making in the press. At the time, Sergeant Stein was executing his duties as the Training Non­ Commissioned Officer (NCO) and was attempting to collect score cards from range personnel for recruit training. The Marine NCO verbally denounced Sergeant Stein’s comments, asked him to leave the range offices, and refused to deal with Sergeant Stein any further.


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Stein's security clearance was taken away and he has no future in the Marine Corps because he can't do his job without that clearance, Torresala said.


excerpt from MSNBC story....

The military can pull your clearance as an administrative action due to National Security concerns (some PFC Unnamed :o :shock: fucked it up for every one).

When the clearance gets pulled you can't work & you must be removed from any contact with secured information. Remember the moron reservist that lost his job as his security clearance is removed (Cook?)

Not quite exactly the same situation but the same result - a firing similar to what civilian employers can do. It just takes longer, with a bit of roaring and screaming (if this option is checked), and takes time to get results - the paperwork is enormous and damn near everyone up to the Secrtary of the Navy {and the Secretary of the Marine Corps for you Birthers} has to sign off an approve it all.

Just being able to give this guy a Kiwi Suppository (swift kick in the ass) passed a while a go.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:25 am 
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mimi wrote:
nbc has part of an affidavit:

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Stein – Affidavit Col Dowling

I can attest to the negative impact these events have had, and continue to have, on my Command. Specifically, I am aware of an incident that occurred in the afternoon on 22 March 2012 where a member of my command got into a verbal altercation with Sergeant Stein regarding the comments Sergeant Stein had been making in the press. At the time, Sergeant Stein was executing his duties as the Training Non­ Commissioned Officer (NCO) and was attempting to collect score cards from range personnel for recruit training. The Marine NCO verbally denounced Sergeant Stein’s comments, asked him to leave the range offices, and refused to deal with Sergeant Stein any further.


more:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/ ... l-dowling/


It is worth reading...Col Dowling wrote/had written for him an excellent letter/statement that (to me anyway) gives a very clear assessment of the situation from the command and control standpoint in the service.

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When subordinate Marines refuse to deal with each other it hampers my ability as the Commanding Officer to discharge my responsibilities andcarry outthe recruit training mission that is mandated by my higher headquarters. Additionally, the lack of unity amongst NCOs sets a terrible examplefor junior Marines and has the very real potential to undermine the chain of command.


In the military this is considered a short and "sweet" statement that pretty much wraps up the view of the USMC and is the kiss of death to be said of anyone who chose the military as a career. To me, this is the distillation of piles of paper.

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Marines seek guidance on social media after anti-Obama posts

WASHINGTON – The Marine Corps is recommending an update to the Defense Department directive that landed an anti-Obama Marine in hot water.

Maj. Gen. Vaughn Ary, staff judge advocate to the commandant, is asking the Pentagon to incorporate social-media guidelines into its policy covering political activity in uniform.

Ary's call for review was spelled out in a letter he sent to Rep. Duncan D. Hunter, R-Calif. The congressman's spokesman provided the letter to Marine Corps Times.

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Philip Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate who practices military law as a civilian, said Stein got himself into real trouble by running the Facebook page.

"Armed Forces Tea Party conveys a message that he's holding a political group just like the Tea Party of Virginia or Tea Party of Texas," Cave said.

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Philip Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate who practices military law as a civilian, said Stein got himself into real trouble by running the Facebook page.


That is our Phil!

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Article on CAAFlog concerning an update on the "facebook marine".

The view from CAAFlog....

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The administrative separation board for Marine Sergeant Gary Stein, the host of the Armed Forces Tea Party Facebook page, who lost his collateral challenge to the board proceedings, concluded after a 13-hour hearing on Thursday. The board found the basis was met, and recommended separation with a characterization of other than honorable, according to news reports.


This one will surely generate some "entertaining" comments from some of the experts.

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Is there a blue dumnass medal in the service?

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There is always the Blue Falcon award

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BFB has the graphic of the shoulder patch and possibly a picture of the actual award.

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Plaintiff, Gary A. Stein (“STEIN”), through his undersigned counsel, brings this action against the above named defendants, in their official capacities, for declaratory and injunctive relief, alleging as follows:

NATURE OF THIS ACTION

1. This is an action for declaratory and injunctive relief to enjoin an imminent attempt to discharge a good Marine in retaliation for the proper exercise of his First Amendment rights. Though the First Amendment may operate differently in the military and civilian contexts, the military must still respect a service member’s freedom of speech. Sergeant Gary Stein has served with honor in the Marine Corps, and he has spoken on matters of public concern in his capacity as a private citizen. Taken in their full context, his statements are protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, as interpreted and applied by both civilian and military courts. Nonetheless, Defendants are attempting to railroad him out of the Marine Corps, with an Other Than Honorable discharge, on extremely short notice, depriving Plaintiff of (a) his liberty without due process of law; (b) his right that Defendants comply with their own rules, regulations, and procedures; and (c) his rights of full American citizenship as promised by Department of Defense Directive 1344.10 (“DOD Directive 1344.10”). Defendants have left Plaintiff with no choice but to seek this Court’s intervention to prevent a grave injustice.


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Oh boy. Can the military do a change up and give him an outright dishonorable discharge now that he refuses to SFTU?

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