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Men with any intelligence at all should know that it's not only wrong to wage war on women in just about every way imaginable...it's also stoopid. Women outnumber us and they ain't afraid to fight just as dirty as the guys will.

They may still be pizzed from this crazy Bible admonition, I don't know.

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"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
(Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Nosiree, bub, that was always a very bad idea. I'm with the ladies!

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If women under 50* don't vote their rights in both federal and state elections this year, they'll see what a real war on women looks like. What's happened so far is only a skirmish.


*Women over 50 either remember or are Tea Partiers. Either way, their minds are probably made up.

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In 1979, McDonald’s introduced the Happy Meal.

Sometime after that, it was decided that the Bible teaches that human life begins at conception.

Ask any American evangelical, today, what the Bible says about abortion and they will insist that this is what it says. (Many don’t actually believe this, but they know it is the only answer that won’t get them in trouble.) They’ll be a little fuzzy on where, exactly, the Bible says this, but they’ll insist that it does.

That’s new. If you had asked American evangelicals that same question the year I was born you would not have gotten the same answer.


Very good read. Rest of the article at
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... appy-meal/


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In 1979, McDonald’s introduced the Happy Meal.

Sometime after that, it was decided that the Bible teaches that human life begins at conception.

Ask any American evangelical, today, what the Bible says about abortion and they will insist that this is what it says. (Many don’t actually believe this, but they know it is the only answer that won’t get them in trouble.) They’ll be a little fuzzy on where, exactly, the Bible says this, but they’ll insist that it does.

That’s new. If you had asked American evangelicals that same question the year I was born you would not have gotten the same answer.


Very good read. Rest of the article at
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... appy-meal/

So MC Donalds brainwashed the evangelicals, turning them into anti-abortion proponents, in order to increase the sale of happy meals?

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Pretty sure it was a vegan/PETA conspiracy.


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Pretty sure it was a vegan/PETA conspiracy.

Hey that's fodder for Dr. Kate's silo. :lol:

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Joseph Robidoux III wrote:
Poll results such as these will not go unnoticed by the Rmoney campaign.
Washington Post wrote:
In the 12 states — Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin — included in the Gallup/USA Today survey, Obama leads Romney 51 percent to 42 percent.

While that lead is eye-opening in its own right — most people believe that the race between Obama and Romney will be very close — it’s all the more remarkable given that, just a month ago, Romney held a two-point edge in these same 12 states.

And even a cursory look inside the numbers explains why Obama has reclaimed the lead; it’s women. In mid-February, Obama took less than half of the vote from women under 50 years old. Now he wins more than 60 percent of them. (Obama is ahead of Romney among all women by 18 points.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... _blog.html

This will require some serious Etch-A-Sketchin' after Rmoney secures the nomination.


As many a husband will tell you women have VERY VERY VERY long memories. We will not forget this shit come November.

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As many a husband will tell you women have VERY VERY VERY long memories. We will not forget this shit come November.
From your mouth to doG's ears, Britty!

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Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
As many a husband will tell you women have VERY VERY VERY long memories. We will not forget this shit come November.


(Can I add another "VERY"?)

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Thanks, Sugar, for that link. I'd lost track of Fred Clark after he closed down Slacktivist. I just never searched for him.

Very interesting reading. It sounds like a politically motivated strategy for divisiveness, a clear boundary between two sides sides that had been kind of shimmery before.

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much ado wrote:
Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
As many a husband will tell you women have VERY VERY VERY long memories. We will not forget this shit come November.


(Can I add another "VERY"?)


I would have added more but I thought it would be redundant. :) Ask any male poster on this forum how long women's memories are. (Especially Realist [-X )

Edited to add that Joe Scarborough's wife is pissed off at this shit, and he tells the tale of his wife and her friends around the kitchen table bitching up a storm about what the Repugs are doing and having to retreat to the living room, for fear of his life. He also said that as I said above "women have very long memories, if they think that women are going to forget about this stuff in the general they are sadly mistaken"

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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Very good read. Rest of the article at
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... appy-meal/


Great article (and discussion.) As a Catholic lad I was quite impressed with the Premminger film, The Cardinal. In it there was a plotline that developed between the priest, Stephen Fermoyle, had to deal with his sister Mona's unwed pregnancy and whether to save the baby or Mona.

Catholics, in my experience, frown on abortion unless one of them needs one.


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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Very good read. Rest of the article at
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... appy-meal/


Great article (and discussion.) As a Catholic lad I was quite impressed with the Premminger film, The Cardinal. In it there was a plotline that developed between the priest, Stephen Fermoyle, had to deal with his sister Mona's unwed pregnancy and whether to save the baby or Mona.

Catholics, in my experience, frown on abortion unless one of them needs one.


I think the Catholic Church has done a 180 to pre- Vatican II mores. I knew priests who would say in catechism classes 20 years ago, that abortion could occur under limited circumstances: rape, incest, life of the mother and it would not be a sin. Comments like those really angered the women sponsors. No! Abortion is always a SIN!

Another time the same priests said using the contraceptive methods like the pill was not sinful either. The sin was in never wanting any children to enrich your life. Again the neo-con women started screeching at the priests.

Then you had Cardinal Bernadin who argued in order to be truly pro-life you must also fight against the death penalty, going to war, nuclear arms, gun ownership, and allowing someone to die because they couldn't afford medical care or food. You must be consistent and willing to help parents raise their children, ethically call for disarmament, etc. Criticism from the Opus Dei et al. Sounded too socialistic. Crickets from parishioners.

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It's covered here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoulment

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On 27 November 2010, Pope Benedict XVI spoke that
“from the moment of its conception life must be guarded with the greatest care.”[14] [...] With regard to the embryo in the mother's womb, science itself highlights its autonomy, its capacity for interaction with the mother, the coordination of biological processes, the continuity of development, the growing complexity of the organism.
It is not an accumulation of biological material but rather of a new living being, dynamic and marvelously ordered, a new individual of the human species. This is what Jesus was in Mary’s womb; this is what we all were in our mother’s womb. We may say with Tertullian, an ancient Christian writer: “the one who will be a man is one already” (Apologeticum IX, 8), there is no reason not to consider him a person from conception.[15]
In relation to elective abortion, Pope John Paul II wrote about ensoulment in his 1995 encyclical letter Evangelium Vitae that:
Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors. Even scientific and philosophical discussions about the precise moment of the infusion of the spiritual soul have never given rise to any hesitation about the moral condemnation of abortion.[16]
While the Church has always condemned abortion, changing beliefs about the moment the embryo gains a human soul have led their stated reasons for such condemnation, and the classification in canon law of the sin of abortion, to change over time.[17][18]


The original Papal Bull was issued by Pope Sixtus V (1588) "Effraenatam"

And with that, 40 years of recovery from the Catholic Church is shot down the drain.


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sugaree tweeted out this story:


Arizona bill would declare pregnancy 2 weeks before conception

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A measure passed Arizona’s Senate claims that it would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, but experts say that the bill is far more restrictive, effectively banning abortions after 18 weeks and declaring that a woman could be pregnant 2 weeks before she even had sex.

Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization.

Specifically, the bill would “[p]rohibit abortions at or after twenty weeks of gestation, except in cases of a medical emergency, based on the documented risks to women’s health and the strong medical evidence that unborn children feel pain during an abortion at that gestational age,” where gestational age is defined as “age of the unborn child as calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman.”


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“Think about the implications down the road,” she wrote. “If a woman is ‘pregnant’ two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman—including those currently menstruating!—should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don’t know the future. We don’t know that any non-pregnant woman couldn’t be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now.”


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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/04/a ... onception/

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This Missouri Bill gives preference for government contracts to those who donate to Anti-choice groups.

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/ ... egislation

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Danielle Deaver Denied Abortion Even as Uterus Crushed Fetus

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Just one month earlier, Nebraska had enacted the nation's first fetal pain legislation, banning abortions after 20 weeks gestation. So the Deavers had to wait more than a week to deliver baby Elizabeth, who died after just 15 minutes.

"They could do nothing to make it better but tell us to wait, which made it worse," Danielle Deaver said. "Every time I felt movement, I was terrified she was hurting and trying to push the uterus away from her."


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/20-week-ab ... d=13116214

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Every piece of shit Republican motherfucker walking the face of the Earth who has voted for any of these absurd anti-abortion laws should be tied to a burning timber and forced to read this article.

[link]http://www.guernicamag.com/features/ptacin_3_1_12[/link]

The Rs in MS are crowing today for, once again, moving the goalposts on personal choice. They have effectively closed the only abortion provider in the state.

I am just out of words to express the rage and sadness and confusion I feel over these laws passing, and the inability of women to do anything to stop them.


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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
...[link]http://www.guernicamag.com/features/ptacin_3_1_12[/link]

...I am just out of words to express the rage and sadness and confusion I feel over these laws passing, and the inability of women to do anything to stop them.

Thank you for sharing that amazing story and for your post, SugarM. I share your feelings but I have some small measure of hope too, at least in the longer term. Women's votes elected these cretins all around the country, especially in 2010. Women's votes can turn them out. Women are not unable...let's just hope they're not unwilling.

Talk to your daughters, talk to your sisters, your aunts, your cousins, your mothers, your friends, your acquaintances, your neighbors. Talk to every female you know. Tell them, in all the gory detail, what's at stake. Then tell them what they can do about it. Tell them what they must do about it.

And hope they listen.

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The Rs in MS are crowing today for, once again, moving the goalposts on personal choice. They have effectively closed the only abortion provider in the state.

I am just out of words to express the rage and sadness and confusion I feel over these laws passing, and the inability of women to do anything to stop them.



Oh yeah, I see that. And they're not satisfied. There were three bills. Two did not survive.

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Supporters are trying to revive the dead bills by inserting the issues into other bills that are still alive, but it’s unclear whether they will succeed.

Bryan said he pocket-vetoed the bills because he believes they’d be challenged in court.

House Bill 1196 would have prohibited abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detectable, unless the woman’s health was at risk.

House Bill 790 would have regulated the use of the abortion-inducing drug RU-486 by requiring the prescribing physician to be in the room when the woman took it.


http://msbusiness.com/2012/04/two-abort ... -survives/

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WTF? I am amazed at these Adventures In Misogyny. Why do...

Edit: Edited to snip an extensive rant that really wasn't productive. All better now.

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Governor Brewski has signed the omnibus abortion bill.

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Governor Brewski has signed the omnibus abortion bill.

:yikes:


People that do not understand basic biology should be shot for writing such epically stupid legislation.

Egads, this is not 1912, or 1952, we KNOW better.

We (as a country) don't vote better.


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Yeesh, I had to click on this thread, didn't I...

*decides that discretion is the better part of valour*

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Ok, I can't help myself. I'll allow myself one non controversial comment exposing a pretty stupid lie.

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A measure passed Arizona’s Senate claims that it would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, but experts say that the bill is far more restrictive, effectively banning abortions after 18 weeks and declaring that a woman could be pregnant 2 weeks before she even had sex.

Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization.

Specifically, the bill would “[p]rohibit abortions at or after twenty weeks of gestation, except in cases of a medical emergency, based on the documented risks to women’s health and the strong medical evidence that unborn children feel pain during an abortion at that gestational age,” where gestational age is defined as “age of the unborn child as calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman.”


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“Think about the implications down the road,” she wrote. “If a woman is ‘pregnant’ two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman—including those currently menstruating!—should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don’t know the future. We don’t know that any non-pregnant woman couldn’t be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now.”


Oh for goodness sake. PREGNANCY HAS ALWAYS BEEN COUNTED FROM THE DATE OF THE LAST MENSTRUAL CYCLE. Its how doctors measure pregnancy! I grew up with a mother who was a nurse and I read her medical books and it stated that 35 freaking years ago!! If Abortion is going to happen at 20 weeks thats what 20 weeks means! Is this woman fucking stupid??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy

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Pregnancy is the fertilization and development of one or more offspring, known as an embryo or fetus, in a woman's uterus. In a pregnancy, there can be multiple gestations, as in the case of twins or triplets. Childbirth usually occurs about 38 weeks after conception; in women who have a menstrual cycle length of four weeks, this is approximately 40 weeks from the start of the last normal menstrual period (LNMP). Human pregnancy is the most studied of all mammalian pregnancies.

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So 9 months pregnant is 9 months, 40 weeks, from your last menstrual cycle. This article is a goddam con and that bill is just stating normal medical practice.

This is a sodding non issue meant to inflame the stupid and ignorant. This woman is accusing the entire medical profession for the last 2 hundred years as declaring women perpetually pregnant! No, it doesn't mean that the abortion bill is pushing the cutoff date back to 18 weeks. Her "experts" saying otherwise are Snap, Crackle and Pop.

I can't believe you all fell for that rubbish.

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