FIFY

When they checked the plane, it had a cargo of drugs.

This is a great example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

KIROTV.com March 5, 2012 Police: Man blames aliens for assassination threats to governor

It sounds like a guy who needs 3 hots and a flop for a while plus the attention.

We have a lawyer's office that handles only SS cases. He is based in Everett. This guy should have contacted him. I won't give his name, but his commercials are on later night TV in the Seattle Area.

The guy is really good at it.

Demanding an end to corporate lobbying and money (in elections?), an end to corporate personhood, and a new constitutional convention, Christopher Lee Carlson of Portland, OR, is alleged to have sent threatening letters to Congressional leadership and to Comedy Central stars. The letters contained a white powder that has not been identified as toxic and a threat to use a biological weapon.

"Christopher Lee Carlson, Oregon man, arrested over suspicious-powder letters sent to Congress"

Oregonian "Threatening letters mailed to Congress, comedians, linked to Portland-area man"

The MSNBC story is loaded with comments about his political affiliation. None of them is based on cited facts.

Woman shot/killed in Texas



More at link above

Is this election year going to be especially violent??? It just seems like the nuts have ripened early this year.

Conceal-carry gun right activist was interviewed here two weeks said: " There have been no mass shootings in states that allow conceal carry weapons."
And the press didn't question her on this lie.
They may not have pressed the question because:
She was with her parents when they were killed in a McDonald's mass shooting several decades ago.
This a secondary news market with subpar reporters.

CNN links to:

Sov Cits? Militia? Or run-of-the-mill loonies? (Yes. I know.)

Hi, I'm a long-time lurker that usually leaves the posting to the more knowledgeable, but I recently read something that I thought was interesting and thought I'd bring it up. Also, please feel free to move if this is in the wrong thread - wasn't quite sure where it best fits.

Anyways, I was reading a relatively new book on the assassination and death of President Garfield ("Destiny of the Republic" by Candice Millard - highly recommended if you're into those types of books) and I was struck by the similarities between Garfield's assassin (Charles Guiteau) and birthers. I have always seen the birthers as simply annoying wingnuts who posed no actual danger. But the similarities with Guiteau, and his eventual escalation to actually pulling a trigger, frightened me.

Like the birthers, Guiteau imagined himself as far greater than he actually was. While in life he failed at many things (including failing at practicing law after a dubious bar exam... sound familiar?) even in the face of all his struggles, he believed that God had a destiny for him. He also believed that others thought he was a great as he saw himself, and therefore couldn't understand why he was continually rejected. In other words, he was so mentally detached from reality that the normal actions of government officials (in his case, not appointing him ambassador to France) enraged him enough to attempt to kill the president.

I think one paragraph from the book shows his remarkable similarity to the birthers:



To me that paragraph could, with a few small changes, describe any number of birthers - those who, when judges completely reject their reasoning, they think are just "signaling" to them or "setting up an appeal"; statements by Hawaiian officials that to any normal person clearly state that Obama was born in Hawaii, but who used some strange word combination (e.g., "Natural Born American Citizen") that birthers jump on as crucial. I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence, or if it shows that birthers suffer from the same type of strong delusion that Guiteau suffered from. Either way, since Guiteau's mental illness led to the death of a president, I thought the similarities would be interesting to bring up.

The one encouraging element in the comparison is that Guiteau's attempt at the president's life was so amateur that any security at all would have prevented the assassination. He was so delusional that he was really only capable of acting on his own and wasn't smart enough to plan something clever. Of course, in the 1800's, when presidents didn't have even a single bodyguard, that was enough. With today's phalanx of secret service surrounding President Obama, I'm confident that someone as delusional as Guiteau would never be able to pull something off.

Still, the substantial similarities between Guiteau's delusions and the birthers' delusions startled me.

Welcome D.J. . Very interesting observations! I hope you share some more insights on the book with us (as well as those on other subjects.)

One of the reasons I love to study history is that man seems to have a need to keep relearning the lessons again and again. I often thought there are some common personality traits (for lack of a better term) that run through people like the birthers. The cause that binds them together may differ over time, but under it all we have a group of people who share things like the feeling of powerlessness, the belief that life is treating them unfairly, an inability to understand the world around them and so on.

I think the only thing that is different between the birthers and like-minded groups from the past is the internet. With the internet, these folks can find a ready-made community that thinks like them and encourages their beliefs. And the anonymous nature allows them to freely express their most hidden beliefs freely and without little blow back one can encounter if one spouts those same beliefs in person to family and friends.

Ditto. With insights like that, how DARE you lurk?

That's part of it, but the Toobz were around since before the Truthers, and their movement never caught on like this one.

Actually, there are quite a number of differences. That PPP poll in the last couple weeks that showed 40% of Republicans are birthers was one measure, and I think it's accurate. A lot of people have learned it's safe to say the president wasn't born here, so they say it. Some actually believe it. Whatever, that poll seems to mean that the movement is HUGE and getting bigger. Sheriff Joe gives cover for a lot of new birthers to emerge.

On the other hand, the Truthers used to get hundreds of people to rent hotel rooms and go to Truther conferences in Noo York City and places like that. They had people who would participate. They'd rent large ballrooms and read scholarly papers to each other. They were organized. The birthers can't seem to assemble 100 of their loathsome selves at one place at one time no matter how they try.

I think Trump is going to keep birfing now. Maybe some other celebs will join in, now that Sheriff Joe has their six. We're due for another real spurt of birtherism in the news, and what's the White House plan this time? They already did "here's the long-form". I doubt they want to lead an official party of forensic document examiners into the vault in Hawaii, which would put a hole in the birther canoe. But didn't they learn their lesson about pandering to the lunatics? Whatever the plan is, they'd better start work on it. This thing is gonna be a hairball within a couple months, maybe less.

New York Times


Quite the exit.

I agree. The birfer Swiftboaters are hard at work,now. They are doing all they can to spread fears and smears and "raise questions" about Obama's legitmacy - and they are doing so with total bullshit. At some point, this Posse puppet show put on by Corsi and Arpaio will have to wrangled. At some point, the binge of birther lawsuits and their "case" must be once and for all shut down, exposed as pure lies. Only open scrutiny of the birther lies and countering them with facts can do that. Ignoring this smelly pustule is not the best play. The birthers won't go away, and they continue to be whipped into a frenzy with crazy talk about Treasonous officials that deserve to be physically harassed and even Hanged, and talk about 2nd Amendment Solutions.

As Santorum Fires Gun, Woman Shouts ‘Pretend It’s Obama’



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... its-obama/


http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/ ... ma-shootin

Video is here:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/woman-s ... ing-range/

A sheriff's office firing range.

Some of the most recent "Patriot" stuff from my inbox:

"Nero is Fiddling While DC is Burning."
"Obama – Who’s Your Daddy?"
"Obama Recites the Islamic Call to Prayer in Perfect Arabic/The Adhan/Video"
"Sheboygan Lutheran High Schoolers Take on the Union Thugs at the Madison Capitol"
"What’s America Coming to?"

We really need to amp up the resistance.

It appears Milwaukee might experience a Jugend Beer Hall Putsch in its near future. BTW some of their great-grandparents likely came over from Germany right after the war. And their grandparents were very proud of their memberships in the HitlerJugend. They still carried tattered sepia-colored photos of themselves saluting in uniforms even though they had lived in the US for decades. I was told by one wistful woman in the Huettenbar on Lincoln Square in Chicago, it was the most beautiful time in her life. Feeling a deep chill, I put down my Haacker Pschorr and left the bar.

The piece of trash who uttered these vile words needs to be identified and disclosed to the American public. Her background should be thoroughly investigated and also disclosed to the public. She deserves to be completely and utterly humiliated on the public stage, resulting in a total and irreparable destruction of her reputation. All of this should be the natural and fair consequence of behaving like the America-hating traitor that she is, in the social media and digital age. If she wanted to sit at home and spew out her disgusting mind vomit in the privacy of her living room, no problem. Instead, she thinks she can show up to a presidential campaign saturated with television cameras and make jokes about assassinating the president of United States? The answer is no.

Most of us have lived through the murder attempts on Reagan and Ford, and the devastating murder of John F. Kennedy that was witnessed on national television. I was born about a decade after the JFK assassination, yet viewing the video from that day often brings me to tears. The effect presidential assassinations have had on our society and throughout our history as a nation is difficult to describe in even a few sentences. That individuals run around carelessly and thoughtlessly spewing out such garbage from their mouths without keeping this history in context is just appalling.

I want her name. And I want her to issue a public apology to the entire nation.

The problem is that the kind of person who says something like this doesn't see it as "assassination".

They see it as punishing someone for getting "uppity" and "above themselves".

Her voice was almost idnetical to that woman who accosted McCain with I believe Obama is an ARAB! Sounds like a very old bat to me.

People have forgotten how much hatred was being spewed about JFK prior to his assassination, e.g. the John Birch ad in the Dallas Morning News the day of the killing. I remember William Manchester's description of this poisonous atmosphere in The Death of a President.

I was a freshman in a Texas college that day and was in my dorm room studying when another student (and an ex-roomate btw) ran into the lobby gleefully screaming, "THEY GOT HIM! THEY SHOT THE SON-OF-A-BITCH!" I and some others came out to find out what was going on and when it was explained, the messenger got dragged outside, but there was an intervention before any real damage was done.

I see the present situation as much worse now than it was leading up to Nov. 23,1963 and I think we can rest assured that the Secret Service has not forgotten the lessons of that day.

Stephen King also researched and wrote about the poisonous atmosphere leading up to the assassination of President Kennedy in his recent novel, 11/22. When a conservative columnist disputed King's description in the New York Times, King wrote a scathing rebuttal, which is frankly what prompted me to actually buy his book and read it.

Too bad.