Bin Laden has been killed

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:24 pm

according to the local news, President Obama was supposed to meet with the SF Giants back in April...

But he was too busy dealing with the capture/killing of Bin Laden. :-bd

rescheduled for tomorrow.

mimi · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:51 am

reuters:

Quote:

Leaked: Bin Laden not buried at sea, body moved on CIA plane to US

The body of Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was not buried at sea, according to leaked emails of intelligence firm Stratfor, as revealed by WikiLeaks.

Stratfor’s vice-president for intelligence, Fred Burton, believes the body was “bound for Dover, [Delaware] on [a] CIA plane” and then “onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda [Maryland],” an email says.

The official version is that the body of Al-Qaeda’s top man, who was killed by a US raid in Pakistan on May 2, 2011, was buried at an undisclosed location at sea in a proper Muslim ceremony.

"If body dumped at sea, which I doubt, the touch is very Adolph Eichman like. The Tribe did the same thing with the Nazi's ashes," Burton commented in another email. Eichman was one of the masterminds of the Holocaust by Nazi Germany. He was captured by Mossad agents in Argentina and, tried in Israel, found guilty and executed in 1962. His body was cremated and his ashes were scattered at sea over the Mediterranean.

more:
http://rt.com/news/osama-body-wikileaks-stratfor-949/

whether true or not, this was so irresponsible of wikileaks. It does nothing but put Americans at risk.

ETA: Drudge is highlighting it. And RWNJ's are for some reason gleeful?

Epectitus · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:55 pm **Posts:** 2388

It's clearly just speculation on Burton's part. The e-mails betray no hint of inside knowledge.

kimba · **Joined:** Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm **Posts:** 6732

The story says:

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Stratfor’s vice-president for intelligence, Fred Burton, believes...

and that he wrote:

Quote:

If....

This appears to be Fred Burton's speculation about what he thinks happened based on his notions about something that happened 50 years ago. So that puts America at risk how? If anything, it probably shows Burton is pissed off Stratfor wasn't in the loop on the Bin Laden mission. I think many military/security companies that sprung out of Cheney's post-9/11 hysteria are feeling threatened because Obama seems to have brought the most sensitive intelligence and operations back in-house to the Defense Dept and NSA.

Curious Blue · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:15 am

That seems like rank speculation, or to put it another way, the email guy talking through his ass. He "believes" -- he "doubts" - he "doesn't see" the FBI/CIA letting go of a "crime scene"......

Since the article doesn't mention the date of those now-disclosed emails, let me venture a guess: I'll bet they occurred in that teensy window of time (what was it, a week?) after the fake dead Bin Laden picture was being circulated and there was a debate over whether the pictures of the dead body should be release. And then various Congress members were shown the pictures... and it all fizzled.

Because there was no need to preserve the body. They took pictures. Probably took pictures of every single step of the body wrapping & sea dumping as well. And I would assume they took tissue samples as well. (Blood, hair, enough for plenty of DNA testing)

What would be the benefit to hanging on to the body beyond that?

Seems like the email guy doesn't know much about modern forensics. Or standard equipment on an aircraft carrier.

SueDB · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:35 am

Curious Blue wrote:

Seems like the email guy doesn't know much about modern forensics. Or standard equipment on an aircraft carrier.

These people are full of shit. With the emphasis on the Official Policy that we respect Muslim Custom to the extent of the situation. There is no reason to disrespect his body as he was already pretty messy post raid. The other thing is why create a shrine? We returned him to where life began hoping that something new and better will come out of it.

Stratfor also said that a full Soviet Division was in Afghanistan during our activity there in 2001 among other wigged out shit.

They need to rename the post from VP of Intelligence to VP of Made Up Shit.

mimi · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:37 am

so it's a stupid headline.

I still think it was irresponsible.

thanks for putting it in context for me though.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:51 am

STRATFOR has been a misleading source of "intelligence" in the past. That just became more apparent.

SueDB · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:53 am

TollandRCR wrote:

STRATFOR has been a misleading source of "intelligence" in the past. That just became more apparent.

Oxymoron time Stratfor and intelligence -

kimba · **Joined:** Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm **Posts:** 6732

mimi wrote:

I still think it was irresponsible.

Irresponsible of Burton to write something like that in email. In this case I think Burton was either trying to show off or dismiss the significance of Obama getting Osama.

I'm OK with Wikileaks releasing this stuff because it shows how cavalier people have been with their communication. The lesson is don't write stuff down other people shouldn't learn.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9708

TollandRCR wrote:

STRATFOR has been a misleading source of "intelligence" in the past. That just became more apparent.

How much do people pay for "intelligence" that apparently involves a bunch of wankers randomly speculating about things they don't know anything about at all? Considering the rogues gallery that constitutes the idiot clients of companies like Stratfor, I'm kind of pissed at Wikileaks for this. After all, those scumbags might fire Stratfor now and hire someone more competent at evil.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:57 am

In addition, Wikileaks is undercutting whatever credibility it had.

TollandRCR · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:33 pm

STRATFOR is now offering free access to its weekly newsletters for a limited time only, of course. It seems that all current subscribers have to reactivate ("reclaim") their accounts, and corporate subscribers have to take secret special steps. This may have to do with the recent hacking (as is claimed), with a recent Website redesign, or with incompetence.

I see no special reason to take advantage of their free offer. In fact, I don't see why Anonymous bothered to hack the site.

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:15 pm

TollandRCR wrote:

In addition, Wikileaks is undercutting whatever credibility it had.

As far as I'm concerned, Wikileaks blew their credibility with the release of the "Collateral Murder" video. I thought they served a very valuable purpose as a way for whistleblowers to leak incriminating material with more safety than might otherwise be the case. When they decided to shift from disclosing information to editorializing, I think they blew it bigtime.

BillTheCat · **Joined:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1452

Quote:

Judge Denies Request For Release Of Bin Laden Death Pictures

A federal judge has denied a request by the conservative government watchdog Judicial Watch for the government to release photographs or video of Osama bin Laden taken during or after the Special Forces raid that resulted in the death of the al Qaeda leader last year.

“A picture may be worth a thousand words. And perhaps moving pictures bear an even higher value. Yet, in this case, verbal descriptions of the death and burial of Osama bin Laden will have to suffice, for this court will not order the release of anything more,” U.S. District Judge James Boasberg wrote in an opinion filed today in a D.C. federal court, denying Judicial Watch’s request.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/judge_denies_request_for_release_of_bin_laden_deat.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Judicial Watch haz a sad.

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:21 pm

It's the birther's damned fault. If they had gotten their frog marching routine down pat in 2 years or less they wouldn't have faced this judge.

Senate Judiciary Committee wrote:

11. James E. Boasberg, D District of Columbia
March 14, 2011 (vote: 96-0)
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/nominat ... ngress.cfm

Sequoia32 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:25 pm

Yeah, pics or it didn't happen.

Never mind that bin Laden's family, al-Qaida and Pakistan are not denying it did.

Edit: Oh, and B-L himself hasn't surfaced saying "here I am!"

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5348

Here I am!

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 9:46 am

Conspiracy as proposed by Iran:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238593.html

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‘US fabricated raid on bin Laden compound in Pakistan’

Video in article

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:24PM GMT

Washington has fabricated the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan to relieve political pressure on US President Barack Obama, Press TV reports.

James Fetzer, American Philosopher and former Marine Corps officer, says Washington fabricated the bin Laden raid to divert public attention from “Obama not having closed Guantanamo, having stationed troops in Pakistan and having his birth certificate being subjected to minute scrutiny.”

“All of that was taken off the front page by the staged fabricated attack on the compound where no one had ever seen Osama bin Laden. Indeed, how can you kill a man who died in 2001 - another time?“ Fetzer said in an interview with Press TV.

Fetzer added that the idea that bin Laden was buried at sea in accordance with Muslim tradition was “preposterous.”

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 pm

Treasure hunter Bill Warren says he knows where Bin Laden's body is and needs ony $300,000 to test its authenticity.

NY Daily News wrote:

A year after Osama Bin Laden was killed, a California treasure hunter claims to know where the body was dumped in the ocean.
<snipped>
Warren wants to locate the body and run DNA tests because he "doesn't trust the government" or President Obama that the remains are actually that of Bin Laden, he told El Mundo.
<snipped>
Warren is in Azerbaijan on what he says is a contract with the government to explore the Caspian Sea for shipwrecks, trying to find $300,000 to finance his mission.
Without that it seems unlikely he’ll gain the momentum to execute the search, since the fund-raising effort on his website BinLadenSeaHunt.com has proved unsuccessful. To date, he has reportedly only received one donation for $15.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1071949

Adelante · **Posted:** Thu May 03, 2012 9:24 pm

This is an excellent program. If you didn't watch it on TV, the whole thing is here on video.

Brian Williams, "Rock Center."

President Obama: Bin Laden raid is 'most important single day of my presidency'

Plutodog · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:41 am

Well, I guess the book is out to somebody.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... 37947.html

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"We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP," writes Owen. "I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room."

Team members took their time entering the room, where they saw the women wailing over Bin Laden, who wore a white sleeveless T-shirt, loose tan pants and a tan tunic, according to the book.

Despite numerous reports that bin Laden had a weapon and resisted when Navy SEALs entered the room, he was unarmed, writes Owen. He had been fatally wounded before they had entered the room.

"Blood and brains spilled out of the side of his skull” and he was still twitching and convulsing, Owen writes. While bin Laden was in his death throes, Owen writes that he and another SEAL "trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless."

Also, they weren't Obama fans and felt that he would/did take some of their credit.

Plutodog · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:39 am

'No Easy Day': Osama Bin Laden Book Author Defends Decision To Write

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The author of a new book on the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden included a defense of his decision to publish his insider account in the final pages of the text, saying that the White House's willingness to publicize details of the operation opened the door to other versions of the story.

"Since May 1, 2011, everyone from President Obama to [the special operations commander] Admiral [William] McRaven has given interviews about the operation," writes the author, who was one of the Navy SEALs who took part in the raid, and published the book under the pseudonym Mark Owen. "If my commander in chief is willing to talk, then I feel comfortable doing the same."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 ... r=Politics

esseff44 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:38 am

Scott Pelley is on the CBS Morning Show with a preview of his 60 Minutes interview with 'Mark Owen' in disguise.

He's insists the book is not 'political.'

Emma · **Joined:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:25 am **Posts:** 2919

FoxNews revealed his identity:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08 ... l-trouble/

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The tell-all book also has apparently upset a large population of former and current SEAL members who worry about releasing information that could compromise future missions. One Navy SEAL told Fox News, "How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won't?" Other SEALs are expressing anger, with some going so far as to call him a "traitor."

And Col. Tim Nye, a Special Operations Command spokesman, said the author "put himself in danger" by writing the book.

“This individual came forward. He started the process. He had to have known where this would lead,” Nye said. "He’s the one who started this so he bears the ultimate responsibility for this.”

My brother is in special ops; he's told me that even after he leaves the military for good he can never talk about his missions. He had *disappeared* during the time frame of the raid on Osama's compound and *reappeared* once it was over, so we suspect his group provided support for the SEALs. But I wouldn't dare ask him about that, I'm not going to put him in that position.

IMO this was an attempt to take a political hit at President Obama, and he was willing to put his own hide (and that of his fellow SEALs and others) on the line to do so.

(edited for clarity and spelling)

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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