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After reviewing Corsi's and Kerchner's CVs, I predict Obama's attorney will destroy them in voir dire.* As could an empty table.


* A prerequisite to allowing someone testify as an expert.


Not necessarily. Opposing counsel has the right to question and challenge the expertise of an expert, but it's not a prerequisite to allowing an expert witness to testify.

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California no longer requires a proponent of an expert to ask the judge if the expert has been qualified. Rather, the proposing attorney asks foundational questions first. Upon asking the expert the first question requiring his expertise the other side can object and is allowed to voir dire. Don't know how it's done elsewhere.

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California no longer requires a proponent of an expert to ask the judge if the expert has been qualified. Rather, the proposing attorney asks foundational questions first. Upon asking the expert the first question requiring his expertise the other side can object and is allowed to voir dire. Don't know how it's done elsewhere.


I just know how it's done in Cousin Vinny.

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I replied to your comment here on the Georgia challenge thread:

viewtopic.php?f=88&t=6845&p=350540#p350540

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Clearly there's some sort of rift in the space-time continuum. Kerchner seems to have issued a press release for immediate release but from the snippet at the P&E it looks as if it was intended to be after the hearing:

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Update on Pennsylvania Ballot Challenge

OBJECTORS SEEKING JUDGMENT TO KEEP OBAMA OFF BALLOT FOR ALLEGED INELIGIBILITY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 01 MAR 2012 Contact: CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret.), Lehigh Valley PA, http://www.kerchner.com/contact.htm, cdrkerchner.wordpress.comPA ATTORNEY KAREN L. KIEFER TODAY CHALLENGED IN COURTA ‘NOMINATION PETITION OBJECTION’ IN THE COMMONWEALTH COURT OF PA IN HARRISBURG PA ON BEHALF OF ‘OBJECTORS’ CHARLES [...]


http://www.thepostemail.com/2012/03/01/update-on-pennsylvania-ballot-challenge/

Wonder what the rest of it says? Can't find it on the web yet.

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It's here:

http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... ay-10-a-m/

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PA ATTORNEY KAREN L. KIEFER TODAY CHALLENGED IN COURT A
‘NOMINATION PETITION OBJECTION’ IN THE COMMONWEALTH COURT
OF PA IN HARRISBURG PA ON BEHALF OF ‘OBJECTORS’ CHARLES
KERCHNER AND DALE LAUDENSLAGER CHALLENGING THE BALLOT
ACCESS PETITION FOR CANDIDATE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

Objectors Charles Kerchner and Dale Laudenslager, concerned citizens of
Pennsylvania, residents of and duly registered members of the electorate, along with
their Attorney Karen L. Kiefer, brought a challenge at 10:00AM today, Thursday,
March 1st, in the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania in Harrisburg PA, seeking
a judgment to have Candidate Barack Hussein Obama’s nomination petition or
papers set aside due to his failure to meet the ‘natural born citizen’ constitutional
eligibility requirements of the office he seeks.

Charles Kerchner, the lead plaintiff/objector and a retired Navy Commander,
explained that after several years of research, it has been determined that
Candidate Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President and Commander-in-
Chief of the military because “he is not a natural-born citizen according to the U.S.
Constitution.” “We are a nation of immigrants but Candidate Obama’s father was
not one of them.” He said. “Until Candidate Obama came along, no President since
the founding generation has had a foreign-born father who never immigrated to the
USA.” Obama’s father was never a U.S. Citizen nor even wanted to be one and
returned to his native country of Kenya after a few years sojourning in the USA on
a student visa while attending college. Candidate Obama was born a British
Subject/Citizen via his foreign-national, non-U.S. Citizen father and a basic U.S.
Citizen via his mother and thus was born with dual-citizenship and not sole
allegiance at birth to the USA. A dual-citizen at birth is not a ‘natural born citizen
of the United States’ to constitutional standards.

A ‘natural born citizen’ is someone born in the country from parents that are both
U.S. Citizens (born or naturalized). The founders reasoned that unity of citizenship
and sole allegiance at birth to one nation and only one nation was a prerequisite to
the office of President and Commander-in-Chief. This requirement was entered
into the U.S. Constitution for national security reasons as a “strong check against
foreign influence” and allegiance claims via birth status on the person who would be
the Commander of our armies and the President, according to John Jay’s letter to
George Washington, the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention in
Philadelphia PA in 1787. George Washington later became the first President
under the new Constitution. John Jay later became the first Chief Justice of the
U.S. Supreme Court under the new Constitution.

A ‘natural born citizen’ is a 2nd generation American via both parents, i.e., both
parents must be U.S. Citizens (born or naturalized in the parents’ case) when their
child is born in the USA. The office of President and Vice President are the only
elected offices in the USA which require under our Constitution that the person
must be a ‘natural born citizen’ to be eligible for those offices. A first generation
U.S. Citizen can hold any other elected office. But the person who would be
President and Commander of our armies, per the U.S. Constitution, must be a
natural born citizen, i.e., a 2nd generation U.S. Citizen via both parents when born
in the USA.

Pennsylvania was the keystone state in the birth of our Republic and the drafting of
the U.S. Constitution and other founding documents. Let not Pennsylvania be any
part of the death of our U.S. Constitution and Republic.

Obama slipped through the vetting system cracks as to his constitutional eligibility
in the 2008 primaries. But he will not be permitted to get by without being properly
vetted in the 2012 primaries as to his exact citizenship status and true legal identity.

# # # #

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Dumbasses can't even embargo a press release correctly.

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I see they're starting to fully adopt the phrasing "Second Generation Citizen". It's far catchier than "Two citizen parents". It's the kind of phrasing that I could see some people latching onto.

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New docket entries in Kerchner:

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March 1, 2012 Application for Reconsideration
Kiefer, Karen L. Kerchner, Charles F., Jr. Petitioner
Kiefer, Karen L. Laudenslager, Dale A. Petitioner
Document Name: The Court Should Reconsider its Decision to Deny Objector's Motion for the Pro Hac Vice
Comment: Admission of Mario Apuzzo

March 1, 2012 Answer to Application to Dismiss
Kiefer, Karen L. Kerchner, Charles F., Jr. Petitioner
Kiefer, Karen L. Laudenslager, Dale A. Petitioner
Document Name: Objectors Opposition to Candidates Motion to Dismiss


http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CommonwealthCourtReport.aspx?docketNumber=85%20MD%202012

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mimi wrote:
I saw pixel patriot upload all that Ken Allen stuff to his scribd. I guess they're all relying on whatever they think it shows.


No mystery there. Allen will say the same thing that he said in Georgia, namely that his FOIA documents prove that 1) Barack Obama's father was Barack Obama, and 2) the elder Obama was born in Kenya, and was a British Subject in a student visa in the US.


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DrConspiracy wrote:
mimi wrote:
I saw pixel patriot upload all that Ken Allen stuff to his scribd. I guess they're all relying on whatever they think it shows.


No mystery there. Allen will say the same thing that he said in Georgia, namely that his FOIA documents prove that 1) Barack Obama's father was Barack Obama, and 2) the elder Obama was born in Kenya, and was a British Subject in a student visa in the US.


Assuming they get to testify. There is a Motion to Dismiss outstanding. I'm sure the defense asked that be ruled on prior to proceeding. Whether the Court did/will or not, I don't know, but it's certainly possible. We'd have probably heard by now if that were the case, however.

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I see they're starting to fully adopt the phrasing "Second Generation Citizen". It's far catchier than "Two citizen parents". It's the kind of phrasing that I could see some people latching onto.


I think that's a liability more than an asset. I mean, if a Natural Born Citizen were the same as a "Second Generation Citizen," how come that catchy phrase never caught on before?

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Doc C has a post up...

DISMISSED.


http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/ ... dismissed/
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Kerchner challenge dismissed
By Dr. Conspiracy on March 1, 2012 in Ballot Challenges

Without reaching the merits of Mario Apuzzo’s 199-page brief on the philosophy of natural-bornness, a Pennsylvania judge has dismissed the ballot challenge lodged by Charles Kerchner and fellow Pennsylvanian Dale Laudenslager.

Judge Keith B. Quigley agreed with Obama’s attorney John Lavelle that the court did not have jurisdiction to hear the claim.

More at Capitol Ideas.


Capitol Ideas linky... http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas/20 ... lenge.html

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Can they now go to Appellate Court? That seems to be where the Common Court judge said the case belonged, according to that article.

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Sounds as if the judge ruled on the Motion to Dismiss and so none of the great expert testimony was given. :lol:

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I am so glad Apuzzo spent all that time on his 200 pagesheet roll of Charmin. We will have plenty to use after we are finished with Leo's 200 sheet roll. :lol:

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Can they now go to Appellate Court? That seems to be where the Common Court judge said the case belonged, according to that article.



Watching Birfers, I figure anything at all deserves an appeal after the reconsideration is turned down (Oh, that's Orlylaw)...

What none of them seem to understand is that they are trying to introduce evidence that only belongs in a criminal court. Has anyone actually filed charges that have not been turned back by the system.

Yay Barack T (for Teflon®) Obama, President of these here United States.

Edit: I guess I am trying to say they are trying to pursue criminal action via the civil route.

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The problem is .... there is NO evidence of any criminal conduct. Criminal court is a bitch without evidence.

Like (I believe it was the Indiana Panel) said - This is not our problem - you are free to take this to the proper forum, the House of Representatives.

Like that's gonna happen......especially after this election.

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I suppose whatshisface from Pittsburgh went at the same time.

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I suppose whatshisface from Pittsburgh went at the same time.


I would opine that would make sense as the cases are basically the same whines.

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Isn't this one where the President's lawyer requested costs and fees? :D

Hope he grants them!

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Bringing criminal charges in an administrative hearing or civil court is not a problem for them. They do not expect to win. They expect only to have yet another opportunity to smear President Obama. This is all a propaganda campaign, not a legal cause.

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