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Anyone seen a commenter at the Pest and eFail, The Blaze, Gulag Bound, and Cody Judy's blog, that goes by the name "Rambo Ike" or "ramboike"??

He's taken to infesting my blog.

I'm trying to decide if he's simply willfully ignorant, clue resistant to the point of being clue repellent, or should be living under a bridge somewhere.

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Anyone seen a commenter at the Pest and eFail, The Blaze, Gulag Bound, and Cody Judy's blog, that goes by the name "Rambo Ike" or "ramboike"??

He's taken to infesting my blog.

I'm trying to decide if he's simply willfully ignorant, clue resistant to the point of being clue repellent, or should be living under a bridge somewhere.


I have seen it and I think Foggy might have thrown him under the bridge.

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I have posted a couple of times now that the Obama Ballot Challenge admits that their goal is to damage Obama, win or lose.

It seems somebody is running radio ads now, with talk of tv ads.

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To insure that EVERY relevant State leader is contacted who has authority over which candidates are allowed to appear on their ballot, we’ve added the option to send your personalized “blast faxes” to BOTH the Secretaries of State (who make the final decision) AND the Attorneys General (who investigate & prosecute attempts at voter fraud and Contempt of Court charges)… in EVERY SINGLE STATE!

BUT THAT’S NOT ALL…

WE STARTED WITH RADIO ADS IN NINE STATES — AND WITH YOUR HELP, WE’RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH IN A DOZEN MORE…

AND WE’RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH OUR NATIONAL TELEVISION ADS!

To get the word out to patriots around the country that we CAN get “The Pretender” off of every State ballot, our first NATIONWIDE ADS exposing Barack Obama as NOT eligible to be President have begun running ACROSS AMERICA — starting with 615 radio spots across 11 markets!

If you live in Corpus Christi TX (KKBA-FM), Victorville CA (KATJ-FM), Pittsburgh PA (WMBS-AM), Chicago IL (WIND-AM), Brownsville TX (XMLS-FM and XHNA-FM), Cincinnati OH (WMOJ-FM), Lafeyette LA (KFXZ-FM), Spokane WA (KGZG-FM), Wausau-Stevens Point WI (WMZK-FM), Bakersfield CA (KVMX-FM), or Franklin NH (WFTN-FM)… you’ve probably already been hearing our ads!



The Georgia thing has certainly energized the birfers. They basically say that.

Here's a sample of one of their tv ads. They say it's gonna run on 4 doz tv networks. huh?




much more here:
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That's an astonishingly terrible excuse for an ad.

I'm also taken aback by the logo being used by "RightMarch.com". Intentional or not, it does tend to evoke the image of certain other logos.

Like this one, used by the KKK: Image

Or this one, used by certain white supremacist groups: Image

Or this one, which needs no explanation: Image

I rather doubt that anyone *meant* to convey this message, but if you're a group of white people rallying to remove the first black President from office, you think you'd want to avoid such opportunity for comparison.

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Poster on The Economist (where I'm playing with KBOA) says:

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Mr. Obama's birth more than likely, would have been the very first half black baby born to a white mother at Kapi'Olani hospital, if not the first in the entire state. The event that day, highly unusual as it would have been, drawing people from throughout the building, creating a ruckuses, if for no other justifications than for the sake of medical education, to see this newborn hapa hauli-papolo (half white-black). For most staff members, the first back newborn they have ever witnessed.

In low-density Hawai`ian neighborhoods, like that near Paiko Lagoon, the birth of a child is as much a neighborhood event as it is family. Curiosity held in anticipation by the "local" ladies would have been insatiable. All would have made or gave gifts for the new papolo baby, if for no other reason than to see this new born, regionally unique child. I haven't heard a single story about how someone gave this gift or that gift to the new mom or baby. Who were his local "aunties" that cared for the newborn? The infant Mr. Obama remaining in a social vacuum. Very, VERY ODD.

:::snip:::

A fiancé of mine, father having developed the subdivision in Niu Valley, just down the road, and nieli "nosey" mother and all of her friends would have known in 1961-1962 if a black child lived in the area. A black child not associated with the military. Barack's birth more than likely the first hapa black/white to be born in the state that year off base, if not the first ever recorded.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... erism-2012

OK, that all seems unlikely. [-X

I love this one. Absolutely the stupidest thing ever.

How easy is this to debunk make the birther run away?

Just observe: If Obama was not "the very first half black baby born to a white mother at Kapi'Olani hospital, if not the first in the entire state," then surely somebody was. I'm sure they can point us to all the newspaper articles, letters, stories, books, magazine features, etc., that actually attended the inevitable "ruckus" for such an event. No? Then no such ruckus was inevitable. And so ... stfu.


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Just observe: If Obama was not "the very first half black baby born to a white mother at Kapi'Olani hospital, if not the first in the entire state," then surely somebody was. I'm sure they can point us to all the newspaper articles, letters, stories, books, magazine features, etc., that actually attended the inevitable "ruckus" for such an event. No? Then no such ruckus was inevitable. And so ... stfu.


I think it's abject bunk. In fact, everything I have heard about Hawaii was it has been a melting pot since before it was even a state, and mixed-race babies would have not only not been historic events, but the birth of a mixed-race baby in Hawaii would not even have been memorable. I trust reality to bear me out on this one.

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I think it's abject bunk. In fact, everything I have heard about Hawaii was it has been a melting pot since before it was even a state, and mixed-race babies would have not only not been historic events, but the birth of a mixed-race baby in Hawaii would not even have been memorable. I trust reality to bear me out on this one.


Here's the official stats: http://www.census.gov/population/www/do ... /tab26.pdf

In 1960, just 0.8% of Hawaii's population was black. But only 32% was white; a full 65% was, unsurprisingly, Asian or Pacific Islander.

So yeah, given that there were twice as many 'minorities' as whites, there's little reason to think that the press would get excited over a white-black baby. And given that there were five thousand black people on the island, a few of them had probably had babies.

Oh, and as a point of comparison: in 1960, Oregon was just 1% black. Does anyone think the Portland newspaper would think a mulatto baby would be big news?

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That's an astonishingly terrible excuse for an ad.


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I'm also taken aback by the logo being used by "RightMarch.com". Intentional or not, it does tend to evoke the image of certain other logos.


I'm not so sure I agree with this - or at least I don't perceive it the same way. What I see as being similar is that you have black and white graphic elements on a red field. The Right March.com logo features an arrow, while the other three focus mainly on shapes related to crosses. However, it's obviously possible for someone to perceive them as being fairly similar, and that - in and of itself - might be a good enough reason to change it.

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There is a working paper
The Hidden History of the African Diaspora in Hawai’i
Presented at the 13th Annual Symposium on Maritime Archaeology and History of
Hawaii and the Pacific, Hawai’i Maritime Center, Honolulu, Hawai’i
©2001 Fred L. McGhee

McGhee asks that nothing be cited from his paper, so I won't quote and cite any material. It is a legitimate request that, among other things, leaves the author the option of correcting any errors before publication.

A set of videos from the African American Diversity Cultural Center of Hawaii is public:

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Former Clovis, NM, mayor David Lansford is running to regain his seat. But don't tell anybody he's a birfer. Cuz his views on Birtherism aren't relevant to his mayoral campaign.

Lansford: National political views not relevant to mayoral race
Saturday, Feb 25 2012, 9:42 pm

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Lansford said so in an interview Thursday, when asked about his participation with the ATLAH Media Network, including authoring two editorials that argue President Barack Obama isn’t a natural U.S. citizen and his election was part of a CIA conspiracy.

“I wrote all that,” Lansford said. “I absolutely believe everything I said. But I know there are people who will say anybody who believes that is a whack job.”

Lansford also said Thursday that he planned to withdraw from the race if the CNJ published references to his participation with ATLAH because it would put his family and friends in danger. The next day, Lansford said after discussion with his family and others, he had decided to stay in the race.



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“It’s all documented,” Lansford said. “If people will open their eyes and do the homework, they will see I’m not a whack job.”



There's more:
http://www.cnjonline.com/news/lansford- ... yoral.html


ETA. There's a photo of Lansford here:
http://www.cnjonline.com/articles/candi ... 517--.html

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borderraven (Gerry Nance) shows up in the comments, with his usual nonsense. :lol:

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Has anybody read Jay Wexler's book, 'The Odd Clauses: Understanding the Constitution Through Ten of Its Most Curious Provisions'?

http://www.amazon.com/Odd-Clauses-Under ... roduct_top

some lawyers say it's a fun read. :-?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2012/01/28 ... auses.aspx

http://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/02/t ... ncles.html

http://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com ... foxes.html

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Has anybody read Jay Wexler's book, 'The Odd Clauses: Understanding the Constitution Through Ten of Its Most Curious Provisions'?

http://www.amazon.com/Odd-Clauses-Under ... roduct_top

some lawyers say it's a fun read. :-?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2012/01/28 ... auses.aspx

http://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/02/t ... ncles.html

http://gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com ... foxes.html


I've got it but haven't had time to read it through yet. I've dipped into a bit and it certainly looks interesting.

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The book did, indeed, look interesting. So I bought it and put it on my Kindle. Browsing around there is one chapter on the NBC clause (chapter 5). Wexler refers to the phrase in the hyphenate which, to purists, will not be satisfactory.

And then Wexler writes this:

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Among the constitutional provisions that create officer qualifications, the one proverbial turd in the punchbowl is the natural-born citizen clause of Article II: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. The clause, described by critics as “highly objectionable,” “inane,” “blatantly discriminatory,” “morally dubious,” and a “lowdown dirty shame,” is the only place in the Constitution—indeed, perhaps, in all of American law—where a distinction is drawn between naturalized citizens and those born in the United States.

As is often the case, the framers didn’t say much about why they put the natural-born citizen clause into the Constitution. The source of the restriction, though, is generally traced back to a letter that John Jay, who would become the nation’s first chief justice, sent to George Washington in 1787. Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen.” It’s been said that Jay was responding to rumors that a foreign prince, such as Baron Von Steuben, the Prussian aristocrat who helped train the Revolutionary army, would be asked to serve as president. As the great nineteenth-century scholar and Supreme Court justice Joseph Story put it, the clause was intended to cut off “all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office.”

The clause is flawed for a whole of bunch of different reasons. For one, it’s hypocritical. Notice how the clause makes an exception for non-natural-born citizens at the time the Constitution was adopted; the United States didn’t have a natural-born citizen president until Martin Van Buren took office in 1836. The clause also doesn’t solve the problem it supposedly identifies. If someone who isn’t a natural-born citizen can’t be president, why can one of these untrustworthy scoundrels serve as secretary of state or chief justice of the Supreme Court or chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or ambassador to the United Nations?


Wexler, Jay (2011-11-01). The Odd Clauses: Understanding the Constitution Through Ten of Its Most Curious Provisions (Kindle Locations 1372-1390). Beacon Press. Kindle Edition.

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Whatever4 wrote:
Poster on The Economist (where I'm playing with KBOA) says:

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Mr. Obama's birth more than likely, would have been the very first half black baby born to a white mother at Kapi'Olani hospital, if not the first in the entire state. The event that day, highly unusual as it would have been, drawing people from throughout the building, creating a ruckuses, if for no other justifications than for the sake of medical education, to see this newborn hapa hauli-papolo (half white-black). For most staff members, the first back newborn they have ever witnessed.

In low-density Hawai`ian neighborhoods, like that near Paiko Lagoon, the birth of a child is as much a neighborhood event as it is family. Curiosity held in anticipation by the "local" ladies would have been insatiable. All would have made or gave gifts for the new papolo baby, if for no other reason than to see this new born, regionally unique child. I haven't heard a single story about how someone gave this gift or that gift to the new mom or baby. Who were his local "aunties" that cared for the newborn? The infant Mr. Obama remaining in a social vacuum. Very, VERY ODD.

:::snip:::

A fiancé of mine, father having developed the subdivision in Niu Valley, just down the road, and nieli "nosey" mother and all of her friends would have known in 1961-1962 if a black child lived in the area. A black child not associated with the military. Barack's birth more than likely the first hapa black/white to be born in the state that year off base, if not the first ever recorded.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... erism-2012

OK, that all seems unlikely. [-X

I love this one. Absolutely the stupidest thing ever.


I don't know how many times I've commented on this here & in answer to Birthers in 2008 but this is just total bullshit. And may I correct the idiot making her/himself out as an expert on Hawaiian history & culture, it's "haole" not hauli, "popolo" not papolo & "niele" not nieli. A dear friend of mine wrote a chapter for this book that blows this Birther theory out of the water:

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They Followed the Trade Winds: African Americans in HawaiiEditor: Jackson, Miles M.;DescriptionReviewsAuthor Bio
"The story of the Black presence in Hawaii has been sorrowfully neglected in the written social history of Hawaii. Yet there has been a presence since the 1790s. Miles M. Jackson and his colleagues have made a giant step in collaborating on They Followed the Trade Winds.... Readers will have an opportunity to read about the Blacks who dreamed of finding a place for themselves in these islands in the middle of the Pacific." --from the Foreword by Kiyoshi Ikeda

Contributors: Albert S. Broussard; Daphne E. Barbee-Wooten; Kimetta R. Hairston; Miles M. Jackson; Marsha Joyner; Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr.; Poka Laenui (Hayden Burgess); Leon Richards; Marc Scrugs; Michael Stephens; Kathryn Wadell Takara; Paul Wermager.

20 illus.

Social Process in Hawaii, No. 43
Distributed for the Department of Sociology, University of Hawai‘i“We have been waiting many years for a substantial volume on African Americans in Hawai‘i and are finally rewarded with a fine anthology skillfully edited by Miles Jackson. Here, it is possible to feel the longstanding ties between African Americans and critical issues facing these Islands. It will no longer be possible for scholars, researchers, students, and the general public to claim ignorance based on lack of interesting and informed resources.” —Franklin S. Odo, director, Asian Pacific American Program, Smithsonian Institution
Editor: Jackson, Miles M.;Miles M. Jackson is professor and dean emeritus at the University of Hawaii.

http://www.uhpress.hawaii.edu/p-3805-9780824829650.aspx

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A new post by nolu.

Barack Obama — Guilty of Being President While Black

http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/re ... tNum=27680

or at scribd:
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I don't know if you had a chance to read nolu's latest. I posted link in my post just above. You might wanna take a couple of minutes to do that. :-bd Gerry Nance (ravenborder/silverbull8) says he read it. He commented:

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There's nothing like playing the race card when you are losing the debate and have no better defense, eh? It has been my discovery that he or she who plays the race card is usually the racist loser.


Gerry must not have read it. Nolu really destroys The Putz.

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It is worth the read. I read it rather fast to get the gist and will reread it shortly after the fast read gets digested by my brain before coffee.

Strange. It seems many of these citizenship cases came from California where American Citizens were refused entrance to the US.

California is the Prop 8 state, so it would follow that the state will lose.

If you ever want to know why Cal is having Issues - Proposition 13 taking money away from counties and the state. The money has been committed for years on bonds etc. Someone is having to pay the money, but from a different source - Income Tax????

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It is worth the read. I read it rather fast to get the gist and will reread it shortly after the fast read gets digested by my brain before coffee.

Strange. It seems many of these citizenship cases came from California where American Citizens were refused entrance to the US.

California is the Prop 8 state, so it would follow that the state will lose.

If you ever want to know why Cal is having Issues - Proposition 13 taking money away from counties and the state. The money has been committed for years on bonds etc. Someone is having to pay the money, but from a different source - Income Tax????


The Chinese citizenship cases came from California because that is where almost all of the Chinese and other Asians lived and worked and were denied citizenship even if they were born here.

The news today is that Prop 8 would fail if voted on again as there has been a dramatic shift in public opinion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1NDIRP.DTL

As for Prop 13, we have been down that road many times and that is not the big problem with the California budget. It has more to do with unfunded mandates and the same economic disturbances that plague every other state and the federal budget. Governor Brown is hacking away at the problems and as the economy improves, so does the revenue in fees and taxes. If redistricting results in the legislature have 2/3's majority for Dems, expect some major changes and an end to the deadlock and reduced obstruction by Republicans. THAT has been the biggest problem just as it has been in Congress.

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Social Process in Hawaii, No. 43
Distributed for the Department of Sociology, University of Hawai‘i...

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Sociologists have this extremely annoying habit of telling the truth.

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 Post subject: Birther Potpourri
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:23 pm 
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It's not Birther-specific, but I have a new blog post up:

Jack Cashill Brags About Fake Award From Fake Law School

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 Post subject: Birther Potpourri
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:55 pm 
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Those sites are so over-the-top that I am wondering if Olsen is another Jesus General. His image of the birth certificate is not going to prove anything for the Birfers, but it could be a tremendous poke at Birfers. The movie about Cashill's book, featuring a man at "the peak of his declining years" eating off a hospital tray, may be aimed at Cashill as a taunt, not as praise. Cashill is, of course, stupid enough to think it is all real.

I don't know fer sure, but I suspect fowl play. Sometimes satire can be so intense that it is offensive in itself, which is true of much of Olsen's material. It may be a successor to Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, which still raises hackles.

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