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Do you know what happens if a troll posts a post, and EVERYBODY COMPLETELY IGNORES IT?


The entire internet implodes from the shock, and the world as we know it ends.

Seriously, I think that's one of those "if a tree falls in the woods" type deals - interesting hypothetical to contemplate, hard to answer in the real world. :)

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Do you know what happens if a troll posts a post, and EVERYBODY COMPLETELY IGNORES IT?


The entire internet implodes from the shock, and the world as we know it ends.

Seriously, I think that's one of those "if a tree falls in the woods" type deals - interesting hypothetical to contemplate, hard to answer in the real world. :)


I think it was not immediately apparent that he was trolling. People were patiently explaining why the panel treated the written and oral submissions as not being admissible. He was having none of it and then people started to put him on ignore.

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Pambly has posted an eyewitness account of the hearing. Usual birfer blather: Obama thugs, biased, corrupt, the end of the United States of America is nigh...except for this:
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There were all of the local tv channel’s cameras around the perimeter taping the proceedings and there were media people on each side of the election panel…but during our brief 10 minutes-that is all the time the Chairman said we would get to present our case- all of the tv cameras disappeared and most of the media left!! Nah, there is no conspiracy here. No media to even interview us after the verdict in the halls outside of the Indiana House Chamber of the Indiana Statehouse.

:(( Birfers can't get no love! :((


I know it will be impossible for Pambly--or Oily--to believe, but the challenges to President Obama before the Indiana Election Commission today was not the BIG story for the media. Two of the candidates (Wallace for the republican nomination for governor; Santorum for the republican nomination for president) challenged were the focus of the media (and, not surprisingly, the people of Indiana). The outcome of these challenges (Wallace-out and Santorum-in) is what the post-hearing media reports (and there have been many) are about. The media left because they had the stories they needed and came to get...the stories that their readers actually cared about. As with anywhere else, I'm sure there are birthers in Indiana, but it's my impression that when folks in Indiana in the factories and on the farms are gathered around the water cooler or the water pump, it's not birferism they're gabbing about, and comparatively nobody gives a flying shit about Orly Taitz.

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I'm getting to the point where I don't care at all that she might be mentally ill. The fact is that she is a malicious liar, and her lies are harmful to things that matter. ...
She's a liar. That's her most important attribute.

Agreed. About the only thing that seems clear about Orly Taitz's mental condition is that she has a personality disorder known as narcissism. Some see evidence of paranoia. I don't think that anyone has suggested that there is a medical treatment for Taitz's disorder. What seems to be required is, briefly, that the person has to grow up. Sometimes a psychiatrist or psychologist can help in this; sometimes a stay at a treatment center can help. I imagine that a friend, pastor, or rabbi could also help.

I see no chance of Taitz permitting that. She has probably been lying for a long time. The best thing is to be done with her, to take away her platforms, to deny her the ability to smear the President in public forums. Declaring her a vexatious litigant would go some distance towards achieving that.

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Do you know what happens if a troll posts a post, and EVERYBODY COMPLETELY IGNORES IT?



Leave me out of EVERYBODY. Although I can understand the frustration that some have felt about Balak's questions, I see nothing that definitively identifies him as a birther. What I see is a member of our forum who doesn't understand why the commissioners were so dismissive of Orly's evidence. The short answer is, all four commissioners are attorneys and they understand what constitutes evidence and immediately recognized that Orly had none. They are familiar with the body of law that defines relevance, authentication, and hearsay.

No one took the time to provide the long answer to Balak, to explain to a layman precisely why Orly's evidence is immaterial and inauthentic and hearsay -- until Woodworker's very patient and very thorough post. It is exactly the response I was planning to write. I hope that Woodworker's explanation satisfies Balak's concerns.

I will add only that due process was afforded to the challengers today. Due process requires that the government must provide an opportunity to be heard, but what constitutes a "hearing" varies according to the venue. Due process is a flexible concept. There is a continuum, and what is required for due process in a criminal adjudication (where a full evidentiary hearing is required before a defendant can be deprived of his liberty or life) is not necessarily the same as for an administrative adjudication (where summary action based on review of written submissions may be sufficient). Due process requires an objective consideration of the facts, but it does not require the adjudicator to accept the facts as true nor does it guarantee that the person making the appeal will get the outcome that he/she wants.

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Agreed. About the only thing that seems clear about Orly Taitz's mental condition is that she has a personality disorder known as narcissism. Some see evidence of paranoia. I don't think that anyone has suggested that there is a medical treatment for Taitz's disorder. What seems to be required is, briefly, that the person has to grow up. Sometimes a psychiatrist or psychologist can help in this; sometimes a stay at a treatment center can help. I imagine that a friend, pastor, or rabbi could also help.

O'rly has always struck me as the spoiled little child. Tantrums and all. Are we allowed to bet in here? I'd like to wager that O'rly was raised as the spoiled little special one.


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FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY:

http://bleachandlight.blogspot.com/2012 ... diana.html

I have not done anything like an edit yet, much less a listen-along. Probably tomorrow I'll fill in the question marks. Quote anything you like.

Does a DailyKos diary qualify?

I noticed there wasn't a dairy there so I posted one taking wide liberty with your "(q)uote anything you like" authority.

Orly Taitz smacked down in Indiana


Definitely. \:D/

But I'm not Anita Maria. Just fix that? ;;) ;;)


Thanks for taking the time to listen and listen well pass the point that Orly was Fennnnnished and writing it all down. You deserve a medal (as well as ear drops to soothe the pain from exposure to the high pitch screeching of Orly). :hug: :-* =D> :-bd

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I'm sorry, but if you yell at someone, "Do that again and your butt is gone!" you're in a streetfight, not an administrative law hearing. If that's professional conduct, I'm a birther too.


To be fair to the guy, he and the commission had been accused of whatsahooey already, they'd had to remove a guy for shouting at them (while Orly egged him on basically), and now she was back to accusing them. I might have said harsher words than "butt" at that point.

I get your point, but I have NOTHING but sympathy for the guy. I'm glad he lost his temper a little. (I'd feel differently if he'd been a judge, I guess.)

I went back and looked at her letters to various Indiana folk prior to the hearing; she was a pill from the very first one, including accusing the state of defrauding folks because SHE gave them the wrong forms to send for challenging. She is ramping up the threaty accusation stuff, and I thought she was already at her peak.

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What Hektor said, twice, with a cherry on top, with sprinkles.


I agree with pretty Hektor and cute Litlebritdifrnt2. I'll raise the cherry and sprinkles and add some whipped cream and nuts. 8> 8> 8> :-

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I really couldnt care less about Balaks questions. Its over and done, and yes I ignored him. *flex* Start a threat on judicial behaviour if you guys want to keep talking about it.

The point is that was one of the most delicious smackdowns of Orly Taitz I've ever seen. I honestly think if people had done that to her from the beginning she would have given up birtherism long ago. Before she was famous and getting respect and listened to by Judjes! She was like Matlock! Now she is a tired woman, desperatly trying to stay famous and no-one is paying her any respect!

Really I'm not finding it in my heart to have much sympathy anynore. But one thing is certain. She looked like utter and total shit today. Eveb her hair was drooped and unkempt, and we know that Orly always wanted to look her best before.

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If it were a judge in a court of law, O'rly would have been in contempt of court the second time she made her accusations. I thought the commissioner was within his rights when he scolded her, butt and all.


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"Failed To Appear In An Adminstrative Court Again Today. Instead Of Issuing A Default Ruling Against Obama For His Failure To Appear, The Motion For A Default Ruling Was Flatly Denied. In Addition To Their Letting Obama Off Scott Free, The Ballot Challenge Was Unanimously Denied. This Is Totally UNACCEPTABLE! We Need To Revolt Against This Media Black Out! We Must Help The Tape Of This Hearing To Go Viral!" ORYR comment.


They just don't get it. This was not an ALJ court. These are possibly the dumbest people on the face of the earth.

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I have skipped ahead and others may have already covered this, in which event, mia culpa, mia culpa, mia maxima culpa (and I invite Stern, BB, Foggy, Loh and the rest of the gang to read, review, comment, eviscerate, etc.).

To everyone (and anyone) who read this all the way through, mas tequila.


Excellent work!!!! Thank you for taking the time to put together such a comprehensive post. I have one suggestion. I think that you and Whatever4 and whoever else needs to be involved and include this in the special reports section. I think it would be a great addition to all the great and extremely valuable work that Whatever4 and others have done.

:-bd :-bd :-bd =D> =D> =D> :mememe: (the last smiley is just because I love it and I feel so good after seeing such a magnificent Orly slapdown.)

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Who is out there in Singapore? Give a shout-out!!


That would be me.

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No one took the time to provide the long answer to Balak, to explain to a layman precisely why Orly's evidence is immaterial and inauthentic and hearsay -- until Woodworker's very patient and very thorough post. It is exactly the response I was planning to write. I hope that Woodworker's explanation satisfies Balak's concerns.


Frankly, I found Balak's posts today so utterly incomprehensible that I couldn't even imagine a non-malicious explanation.

However, if due process in administrative hearings is actually that difficult to understand, I recommend Judge Friendly's article on the subject. Henry Friendly, Some Kind of Hearing, 123 U. Pa. L. Rev. 1267 (1975). An administrative hearing is NOT a trial, isn't intended to be one, never was one.

However, even such a hearing has minimal evidentiary rules, and I fail to understand how anyone can fail to understand that a pile of literal garbage does not qualify as evidence even by the relaxed rules of an administrative hearing.

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He asked the challengers if they were aware of the case and they all said "NO," that they were not aware of the case. How could someone who claims to be a lawyer and profess to be the foremost challenger on the legal front to Obama say that she was not aware of Ankeny. Do we not have postings where she comments on it? Perjury, clear and simple.


I haven't listened to the .mp3 because my audio on my computer sucks eggs worse than a court reporter, but given that Malihi made direct reference to Ankeny in his recommendation, there's evidence that at least ONE lawyer/challenger is aware of it, and if she tries to claim otherwise, I'm pretty sure that she made reference to Malihi's reliance on Ankeny in at least one of the documents she's filed since then.

(If this has already been pointed out, please excuse me - I'm several pages behind and wanted to post this before I forgot about it....)

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Catching up, reading and listening to the hearing... had to jump in on this comment of Loh's:

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I wore a Brooks Brothers suit with a salmon shirt and tie densely populated with small salmon asterisks on a dark purple background.


THAT'S the kind of detail we the Fashion Watchers are looking for! Go, Loh!! =D> =D> =D> :-bd

Really. Not a snarky thing at all.

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And all in only a few hours. That has to be the fastest anyone was shunned by so many so quickly.


I think MichaelN was shunned faster. Foggy had a long post on "ignoring" Birthers and general idiots. Perhaps "Balak" read it and was inspired.

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Catching up, reading and listening to the hearing... had to jump in on this comment of Loh's:

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I wore a Brooks Brothers suit with a salmon shirt and tie densely populated with small salmon asterisks on a dark purple background.


THAT'S the kind of detail we the Fashion Watchers are looking for! Go, Loh!! =D> =D> =D> :-bd

Really. Not a snarky thing at all.


He noted that Orly wore her lawyer suit, but neglected to look at her shoes. Come on guys, that is just as important.

Orly once again looked like she needed to root touch up on the hair.


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He noted that Orly wore her lawyer suit, but neglected to look at her shoes. Come on guys, that is just as important.

Orly once again looked like she needed to root touch up on the hair.


I was not about to comment on anyone else's shoes, when I decided to forego my pretty but uncomfortable Cole Haan shoes in favor of Calvin Klein near-sneaker hybrids that are kind of loafer-like.

I hope whatever shoes Orly wore were really uncomfortable. I didn't notice, though. My shoes were very comfy. Sorry.

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Just reloaded the video, hopefully boosted the audio and changed the caption

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What I liked is that at just about every birther hearing there has been a Fogbow observer. This must really piss off Orly and the rest of them.
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Burning mad at ORYR


I notice several of them say she didn't get a chance to authenticate the evidence. They (and Orly) seem to be under the impression that "authenticate" means "to state that one's belief is that they are pretty damn sure it's authentic."

I know y'all know this, but it grates on me.

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To everyone (and anyone) who read this all the way through, mas tequila.


That was excellent and informative. Thanks for doing that. :-bd

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In my one year of birthwatching, I've concluded that our courts are an awe-inspiring institution, where good people work honestly to make just decisions that reflect the laws and the Constitution. It's left me more than impressed.

I have a new empathy for the good judges, boards, councils, civil servants and everyone else who has to put with cranks like Orly Taitz peddling irrelevance and hate - and bad writing - on a daily basis.


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