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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Section A. Sections 115.399 and 115.761, RSMo, are repealed and two new sections enacted in lieu thereof, to be known as sections 115.399 and 115.761, to read as follows:

115.399. 1. Not later than the twelfth Tuesday prior to each presidential election, or notwithstanding any prior laws to the contrary, in the year 1996 and thereafter, within seven working days after choosing its nominees for president and vice president of the United States, whichever is later, the state committee of each established political party shall certify in writing to the secretary of state the names of its nominees for president and vice president of the United States. Such certification shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and of proof of status as a natural born citizen of the United States for each nominee and the origins of such evidence. Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth, and shall be kept and maintained by the secretary of state, and shall be deemed a public record under chapter 610. The burden of proof for such evidence shall lie solely upon each nominee. As used in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended, or having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it existed at the time of the nominee's birth.

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4. Failure to provide the certification required under this section shall render any candidate ineligible to file a declaration of intent to be a write-in candidate for election to the office of president or vice president of the United States.

115.761. 1. The official list of presidential candidates for each established political party shall include the names of all constitutionally qualified candidates for whom, on or after 8:00 a.m. on the fifteenth Tuesday prior to the presidential primary, and on or before 5:00 p.m., on the eleventh Tuesday prior to the presidential primary, a written request to be included on the presidential primary ballot is filed with the secretary of state [along with] . Such written request shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and of proof of status as a natural born citizen of the United States for each candidate and the origins of such evidence. Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available by the controlling legal authority at the time of the candidate's birth, and shall be kept and maintained by the secretary of state, and shall be deemed a public record under chapter 610. The burden of proof for such evidence shall lie solely upon each candidate. As used in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended, or having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it existed at the time of the nominee's birth. . . . .

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Unreal...

Who's goin' to be a doin' all that thar "declarin'"? :P

And lucky for Obama that he got that exception. :lol:

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It's the same State Rep, Rep. Lyle Rowland (R-143rd District), who did last year's birther bill in that state, HB 283.

The main difference between HB 283 and HB 1046 is that 283 demanded proof of identity and proof of US citizenship for each candidate. 1046 plays the "Natural Born Citizen" card instead.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bi ... B0283I.htm
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Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth..


So is the Missouri SOS going to research each candidates' birth-state's history of birth certificates to find out what they looked like at the time of each candidate's birth and eliminate any who provided whatever they had/their birth-state currently issues?

Most likely, even the candidates don't know what "the most complete record" was when they were born since most people didn't get their first BC until they started school, opened a bank account or got their first drivers license.

Also, Missouri currently only issues short forms.

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I'm not sure I understand. If a candidate had lost his birth certificate (it happens :oops: ), and the state no longer issues a birth certificate that is as "complete" (which is almost all states), is said candidate off the ballot?

This bill isn't making sense to me.

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Sounds like another bit of foolishness that will again hold Missouri up to ridicule, especially since their own citizens couldn't satisfy the requirements with what Missouri currently issues. :evil:

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I'm not sure I understand. If a candidate had lost his birth certificate (it happens :oops: ), and the state no longer issues a birth certificate that is as "complete" (which is almost all states), is said candidate off the ballot?

This bill isn't making sense to me.


If it in any way adds to the Article II requirements, which do not include being able to produce some specific document, it will be laughed out of court. What document would Abraham Lincoln, born in a log cabin, have produced?

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His emancipation proclamation?

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Sounds like another bit of foolishness that will again hold Missouri up to ridicule, especially since their own citizens couldn't satisfy the requirements with what Missouri currently issues. :evil:

The Missouri legislature does not have a reputation for recently getting its act together. This bill will probably be watered down and may be quietly abandoned entirely if a certain COLB is entered as evidence in a Georgia election challenge. This whole episode appears to be a teabagger puffing up his own sails.

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Hardly exciting but the bill got read a second time yesterday. IIRC that's just a formality in MO.

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Nutty birfer who "inspired" the bill.


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Here's Lyle presenting his birfer bill. I think these videos are from today. (ETA: Tweet from Progress Missouri sez these were from today. So yeah, happened today.)


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look at it this way. If this passes, you could mount all sorts of challenges and legal suits against the eventual GOP nominee as well.


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I had no idea this was that big of a deal in Missouri. They talked this much?

Rep. Stacey Newman tweeted (read bottom's up, it's de twitter machine):


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"we need reasonable vetting for person who has access to nuclear codes." Birther testimony goes on...#moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

No testimony against Birther Bill. #moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

"Our soldiers need to know the eligibility of our Commander in Chief". Birther bill needs to be passed now. #moleg

If many people believe it, it must be true. Our president is illegal. #moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

Nancy Pelosi just mentioned in Birther Bill hearing. The rabbit hole just got deeper. #moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

The President was born in Hawaii of a Kansas born mother. I was born in Kansas. My child won't be able to run for president?? #moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

I have no idea what this witness re Birther bill is talking about or how it relates to HB1046. "natural born" never defined. #moleg
5h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

Many witnesses in favor of birther bill in Elections comm. Think we are going down a rabbit hole. #moleg
7h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman @staceynewman

Ready for packed hearing room at 830am. The most vital bill we're going to hear this year. Yes, the presidential birther bill. #moleg



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Edit: ETA: You can see Rep. Newman questioning Lyle in that video. She starts ata bout the minute mark, or just a bit before.

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They said it doesn't go into effect until 2016.

Are they planning to get it passed and then revise it to affect their target?

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So, the sponsor has no idea about how many birther bills there were last year and how they were disposed of. Perhaps someone could point him and the committee to the scorecard.

He seemed to be basing his argument for the bill on the fact that Missouri is the 'Show Me' State and you can't take the national political party's certification that the candidates are qualified. You have to SHOW the PAPERS the certification is based on.

Yes, that could get sticky for GOP candidates in the future even more so than Democratic candidates.

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Birther bill: man testifies his grandson had to show a birth certificate to play tee-ball, one should have to do so to become president. ^JM
6h Legislature.com Legislature.com @molegislature

House Elections Cmte takes up Missouri "birther bill" -- passionate testimony both for and against. ^JM

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You just knew the Little League thing was gonna make it into testimony. :P

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Former #MOSen candidate Hector Maldonado in Capitol, presumably to support Rowland's Birther bill. #moleg

http://twitter.com/ssnich/statuses/169428933610180608
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Hearing over. Back to the grind serving our Kenyan usurper.
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Witness doesn't know "which side of the fence" Obama is on. #birfers #proudday #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Old news. politicmo.com/2010/11/05/sta… RT @staceynewman: If many people believe it, it must be true. Our president is illegal. #moleg @leaderjones
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Reps @ShaneSchoeller, Mellisa Leach, @StanleyCox, Don Wells cosponsored "identical" birther bill last year #moleg house.mo.gov/billtracking/b…
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Rowland constituent up now to outline "questions" about Barry Soetoro's citizenship. #circusact #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Rowland now talking about other states working on similar birther efforts. Context: http://politicmo.com/2010/11/05/state-r ... z-support/ #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Stanley Cox now talking about how George Romney's natural born citizenship wasn't properly vetted in 1980 #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

rowland says "yes, there's a question in my mind" about citizenship of prez candidates #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

Flashback from @DrOrlyTaitzEsq: "I got a phone call from Lyle Rowland" :twisted: orlytaitzesq.com/?p=20534 #moleg
6h Sean Nicholson Sean Nicholson @ssnich

First up this morning: Lyle Rowland's #birfer bill. Orly Taitz explains: :twisted: orlytaitzesq.com/?p=20534 #moleg

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It's a good thing Ronald Reagan beat out George Romney in 1980! LOL LOL LOL


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They said it doesn't go into effect until 2016.

Are they planning to get it passed and then revise it to affect their target?



Orlylaw: it's retroactive to 2008!


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I'm not sure I understand. If a candidate had lost his birth certificate (it happens :oops: ), and the state no longer issues a birth certificate that is as "complete" (which is almost all states), is said candidate off the ballot?

This bill isn't making sense to me.


That is because Rowland is a complete dolt from my neck of the woods. Luckily, Jay Nixon will veto this crap if it passes the assembly (doubtful).

The Missouri GOP theses days is chock full of scumbags like Rowland.

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Full video of Missouri hearing might become available.

It looks like hearing videos are posted after the hearing.

Missouri House Video page

I bookmarked it and will check it daily. :vacuum:


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“Why do we have to wait four years? Why not start now?” said Hector Maldonado, who run for U.S. Senate in 2010.

Mitch Hubbard, a former candidate for Missouri Secretary of State, said it was very important to resolve the question of a president’s citizenship sooner rather than later.

“Our soldiers need to know there is no question he is the commander of chief,” Hubbard said.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/02/15/ ... ur-papers/

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“Why do we have to wait four years? Why not start now?” said Hector Maldonado, who run for U.S. Senate in 2010.

Mitch Hubbard, a former candidate for Missouri Secretary of State, said it was very important to resolve the question of a president’s citizenship sooner rather than later.

“Our soldiers need to know there is no question he is the commander of chief,” Hubbard said.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/02/15/ ... ur-papers/


They always try and hide their blatant racism behind the soldiers.........

Ten bucks says Mitchey boy's ass has never seen the inside of a uniform..........

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I was right.

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“Our soldiers need to know there is no question he is the commander of chief,” Hubbard said.


Read up on ex-con Terry Lakin's court martial and you'll find out he is the CiC, regardless what those soldiers may or may not "need to know."

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