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Many neo-confederates and their ilk like to claim that the so-called "reconstruction amendments" (13th, 14th, and 15th) are invalid because they were "forced" upon the southern states before they were readmitted back to the union.

Personally I suspect it's more that they didn't want to treat their former farm equipment as actual people.

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Sometimes I used to think that the segregationists have lost save for a few radical diehards. I am less convinced of that today, seeing that the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment is again being claimed.


A few nuts still claim the Earth is flat, the Moon landings were faked, and pretty much any other nutjob claim you can imagine. That doesn't mean they're winning or ever will.

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Sheriff Richard Mack, having raised just around $100,000 of the $200,000 required to support the participation of almost 10% of America's Constitutional Sheriffs in his Las Vegas reeducation conference, is now offering only to pay the way for those Sheriffs who cannot otherwise afford to attend. The shortfall -- which may be bigger than $100,000 -- is partly due to PayPal refusing to release $40,000 of the donations to Mack's organization.

January 13 Subject: SERIOUS URGENT NOTICE FROM SHERIFF MACK
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I just spoke to Sheriff Mack and was advised that PayPal has frozen that portion of the funds donated through PayPal ($40,000+) for the Constitutional Sheriff's Conference. PayPal has refused to release the funds and have stated that they may refund the donations to the donors. They have cited no violation of law or online regulation. They inquired if CSPOA.org was a 501C(3) and excused their actions on fear that the IRS would fine them. Apparently someone opposing sheriffs learning they are not alone in their desire to live up to their oaths of office is involved.

Loans are also solicited.

This may end up like the great Kontinental Kongress of 2009 in St. Charles, IL. Having raised less than half of the needed donations, the Kongress began to fall apart when the hotel started serving them hotdogs and making noises about their personal responsibility for paying for the cost of their accommodations.

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Tim Turner is getting no love at RAP/NESARA. A True Believer has discovered the Awful Truth: Tim Turner is working with the Department of Homeland Security on a false flag attack that will enable Obama to open wide the gates of the FEMA camps. Turner has sent the names of every Patriot to DHS for this purpose.

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Fast forward a few weeks to the time when I obtained a recorded call of the RuSA “Integration and Immigration” committee where four people discussed how they would prevent ANY persons of ANY faith other than theirs (fanatical Evangelical Christian), from being Americans…. Some trick if you can pull it off. I played the call and shared some related history on a Sunday blog talk radio show. Naturally those speaking on the call in the meeting attempted to back pedal and deny their own words later but words spoken are like spilled milk, once out of the mouth they can’t be retrieved. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show3.aspx?userurl=freedomizerradio&year=2011&month=11&day=27&url=freedom-reigns
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Two or three weeks later another recorded call made its way into my hands. This one was a Republic Round Table Call for December 8th, 2011. On this call Turner rants and raves in his juvenile fashion about how the state of Texas (the whole state and all its elected officials), had rebelled and sent him a letter declaring their unanimous refusal to “obey his laws” and therefore were kicked out of the Republic and it was irrefutable, permanent and not reversible. In truth the “letter” Turner claimed he had, was a complete fabrication. There had been no letter making such claims or statements. Instead there had been demands for truth from the Texas Jural Assembly! Those demands and communications had been published on the Texas web site right out in the open for all to see; http://www.therepublicstateoftexas.org/
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It took less than a day for Turner’s sycophants to infiltrate the conference calls with other states to share the procedures for duplicating what Pennsylvania had done. In fact the first recorded call was used to twist the intent and name me as a leader of a group in opposition to the so called “Republic” in an article on the official “kiss up” newsletter site. Turner then made completely false statements to his followers on another “Round Table” call and claimed the states involved had sent documents to the Hague which had been rejected and returned because “he is recognized” as the real President and his Republic as the true government of this nation. Now I won’t even go into how ridiculous that is because for any clear thinking adult, I don’t need to and because I need no defense.

What I will say is this. There is no group. There are no leaders. There is no organization and there have been no documents sent across the pond from any state except Pennsylvania. These idiots will not be privy to when they are and will have no control or influence as to the result. It’s simple folks, all it takes is for the people to unite in the right way and I will share no more details on that at this time. The time for details will come shortly and Turner can spin all the lies he likes, nothing will change it.

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H/T to St. Terry Wulfe @ Facebook/Orly's World.

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Very Important - American Revolution: County Sheriffs vs. the Federal Government

We the People created something to protect us against a Federal government gone wild.
That something is called a County Sheriff. A County Sheriff can tell Federal agents to get out of town before sun down. A Sheriff can tell armed Federal agents to leave their guns at the saloon. A Sheriff can arrest Federal agents and the only thing that agent can do is shut up or draw his pistol.
That is just the way it is.
Federal employees are just beginning to learn that little inconvenient truth of American life.


I'll xpost this in the Steady Drip thread, too. Also.


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H/T to St. Terry Wulfe @ Facebook/Orly's World.

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Very Important - American Revolution: County Sheriffs vs. the Federal Government

We the People created something to protect us against a Federal government gone wild.
That something is called a County Sheriff. A County Sheriff can tell Federal agents to get out of town before sun down. A Sheriff can tell armed Federal agents to leave their guns at the saloon. A Sheriff can arrest Federal agents and the only thing that agent can do is shut up or draw his pistol.
That is just the way it is.
Federal employees are just beginning to learn that little inconvenient truth of American life.


I'll xpost this in the Steady Drip thread, too. Also.


We'll see how that works out in Arizona, sometime in February.

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I'm pretty sure this is Lawrence Sellin pukin' over at the Ledger-Enquirer.

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It's about time we have dozens of law suits going on this. Yea we will lose almost all BUT it only takes one to bring this POS to justice we will not give up until Justice is done
http://our-motivation.co.cc/Ut... It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams

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You never explained how your little three percenter "revolution" is going to work. You and your couple of hundred thousand oathbreakers gonna fight the US armed forces? Or just take 'em over from the inside? Then what? Slavery? Indoctrination? Death Camps for anyone who does not go along? How's it work, traitor? All you idiot 'sovereign citizens' talk about is killing people, taking away people's rights, snuffing the media & removing religious freedom and the wholesale replacement of the US Constitution. Nothing American about any of that.

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who's side do you think the US armed forces are going to take the traitor in the white house ?? Dream On!!! He is the most hated commander and chief in history

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PS: You're too late. They've already taken his side.

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Do you look as stupid as you sound?

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Just trying to make some sense out of your lunatic GI Joe Takes the White House fantasy. We saw Darren Huff, Walt Fitzpatrick and Carl Swensson and their little playdate when they conspired to go to Madisonville, Tennessee and take over the courthouse. Swensson cut a deal. Huff's in federal prison awaiting sentencing. Admiral Fitzpatrick Crunch is rotting away in a jail cell as we speak, about to be prosecuted for his latest 'sovereign' activities. How about those other old boys and their ricin plot? Yeah, that went well. So's the Pentagon takeover gonna go down like the Madisonville caper? Or you gonna pull a few more 'soldiers' from your giant pool?

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LOL we will let your kind starve and kiII each other first we can afford to wait

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Here's a thought: When you and your feeble-minded 'sovereign citizen' buddies lock up your garage and head up to D.C. for your wheelchair coup d'etat, can you take Orly Taitz with you? Then we'll see some real justice served.

tcbinc
You will see us after we let the Mex. Gangs and BIack Gangs destroy each other by then New York , LA and other cesspools will be very busy trying to survive LOL.


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You're a vile creature, Lawrence Sellin.

tcbinc
and you are slime


http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/01/ ... qus_thread#storylink=cpy

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You handled that very well, JT. These people make me ill.

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You da' man, jt ... one dozen roses!

And then ... 30 years in the military and he still thinks he had a "commander and chief". =))

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who's side do you think the US armed forces are going to take the traitor in the white house ?? Dream On!!! He is the most hated commander and chief in history


Funny how active duty troops donated 3:1 to Obama over McCain during the 2008 general election......

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who's side do you think the US armed forces are going to take the traitor in the white house ?? Dream On!!! He is the most hated commander and chief in history


Funny how active duty troops donated 3:1 to Obama over McCain during the 2008 general election......


But that was then... :lol:

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An interesting little "live" tidbit on CNN this morning that I take as Newt dog-whistling to Sov Cits. In his best pontificating style, he opined our system was founded on the belief that God made each of us sovereign.

He then explained that his supporters must be with him, not merely for him. Can't just hope ol' Newt'll put everthin' right, oh no!

"Citizens" must all join together to be part of a "wave" that flows over all levels of government from federal, through state, and down to county commissioner, restoring power to "We the People" (in other words, trampling on anything or anyone who dares to disagree).

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Even prison walls can't stop Sovereign Slippery:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... hp?ref=fpb

The point is quickly made in the comments that if the IRS hadn't been gutted, the phony philing would have set off some alarm bells and triggered an audit.

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Does anybody know whether the Great Gathering of 200 County Sheriffs is taking place at the Tuscany Hotel and Casino? Today was to be the Public Day, for which tickets were only $10 in advance.

PayPal having cut them off seems to have been disruptive.

I don't find an "Events" listing for the Tuscany, but it is probable that an event of this Constitutional Magnitude would not be publicly disclosed.

This article from Daily Paul is dated 1/31/2012 but is written as a plea for funding, so I think the title is misleading: 125+ Sheriffs Meet in Nevada - Sheriff Mack is Keynote Speaker and Organizer

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Hahaha! Sharia Mack fought with PayPal to convince them he wasn't a non-profit but, whoops, that's what he put down on his application when he first signed up!

Of course, says he, they should have known from looking at my website that I'm not!

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The Facebook page for the County Sheriff Project meeting in Las Vegas Jan. 29-31, 2012 says that the meeting has occurred:
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Hey everyone! Apologies for going silent for last few days. It's been flat out here in Vegas since the first of us arrived last Friday. The meeting has been a HUGE success. We had over 100 county sheriffs and peace officers and even some county commissioners here for Monday's meeting. Topics covered included The Bill of Rights, 10th Amendment, State Sovereignty, NDAA, Agenda 21, IRS, BLM, FDA & ...Raw Milk, US Forest Service, Forclosures, Nullification and more. Here is the link to Jan 30th Agenda/Schedule that includes key quotes from Madison and Jefferson on Interposition and Federalism... plus a list of all the sponsors. http://www.thirdrailblog.com/CSPOA.Agen ... 0.2012.pdf

There's so much more to share, and so many people to thank, but we wanted to get a quick update out there. The sheriffs were extremely engaging and we are so fortunate to have such brave men and women (yes there were women sheriffs here!) to assemble, share, network, learn and unite to peacefully protect their people from state and federal tyranny.

More info soon, here on tonight's public event which starts at 6pm at the Tuscany Hotel in Las Vegas (if you are near Vegas help us spread the word!) See More
http://www.thirdrailblog.com/CSPOA.Agen ... 0.2012.pdf

Perhaps because they have all been going flat out, the Web site for the County Sheriff Project is returning an "internal server error."

Perhaps because this was a closed meeting until the last day, news about this meeting does not appear on the Internet (although pleas for donations are still there). I trust that Federal agencies had personnel in attendance.

If this meeting actually happened, the Sheriffs who attended bear watching. There should also be an accounting of their prior authorization to spend their time in this manner and to accept outside money for their expenses.

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There's a column from the LV Review Journal, but nothing there we didn't already know.

http://goo.gl/vsZh2


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Schaeffer Cox-Linked 'Sovereign Citizen' Gets 3.5 Years For $2.5 Million Tax Fraud
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A sovereign citizen in Washington state, who calls himself the treasurer of the "Assemblies on the Counties at Large," was sentenced to 3.5 years in prison for defrauding the IRS out of more than $2.5 million. Timothy Garrison, who has a previous felony fraud conviction, was sentenced Wednesday for filing fraudulent tax returns. In November, Garrison pleaded guilty to two counts of "assisting with the filing of false tax returns," which the U.S. Attorney's office said he did for one couple in order to...

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Agenda 21 is now the target of adverse governmental decisions, primarily at the level of local government. Right Wing politicians and citizens oppose it, principally because it does not accord with the premise "Every man has the right to do whatever he wishes to the land that he owns for as long as he owns it." Also, the very concept of sustainable development is anathema: "why should I worry about the future; let it take care of itself." (My paraphrase of the fundamental tenets of the anti-Agenda 21 movement.)

This is from "Democrats Against U. N. Agenda 21":
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Report from Gaston County [North Carolina] Commissioners meeting tonight: Not sure what I was expecting...maybe balloons and champagne flutes for all, choirs and bands, the heavens full of shooting stars. Well, you all know me, I like visual impact and lots of celebrations for good events. Even so, our great commissioners passed, unanimously, the anti-Agenda 21 resolution for Gaston County as part of their consent agenda this evening. There were no dramatics. No arguments against it. The deed is done. The Gaston County Resolution against Agenda 21 is heading to the NC State House for recording.

The Chairman of the Commission told me afterwards that he has heard from several other county commissions in the state who are interested in looking into doing this same thing for their counties. So all in all, a very good, albeit quiet, passing of one very important statement. I want to remind my friends on this issue that this is just one step. The hard work of weeding Sustainable Development and Smart Growth, AKA Agenda 21 out of our lives is just beginning. Don't give up! Cheers to all of you!

San Carlos, CA:

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Sheriff Mack has announced a run for Congress in Texas District 21: http://sheriffmackforcongress.com/

In sifting through the site, I found ...

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Martin Timothy on Sheriff Mack among ‘Top 10′ challenger candidates


This is Timothy's offer to "endorse" Mack:

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Martin Timothy on February 2, 2012 at 11:33 am said:

Sheriff Mack would gain my vote if he were to base his political platform on the Riad Hamad case, whose bound tortured body was recovered from Lady Bird lake in Austin, 18 April 2008, coincidentally located, like the intended venue at the Johnson Homestead, on the Colorado River.

The APD says Mr Hamad committed suicide, that he bound himself to make it look like murder, neglecting that he had written to newspapers in Austin, critical of US / Israeli policy in the Middle East, making him a possible target for Mossad sponsored retribution.

Alex Jones conducted a studio interview with reputed Mossad strong man Victor Thorn, in Austin the same day .. Conservative Texans insist, that Jones and Thorn provide detailed timelines, for all their movements in the hours leading up to the discovery of Mr Hamad’s body!


Timothy is Australian and a racist. He maintains this blog: http://www.dockersunion.net/
Gotta read it to get the full effect, but among other gems he offers the following:

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Click the link, it shows Martin Luther and Coretta King, in a snipers nest Dallas Texas 22 November 1963, at the killing of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Mrs Kennedy had invited them both into her home, just weeks before, which proves the folly of treating blacks like human beings - they act like animals, and that by God is how I treat them read on..


My point in all this: Why would Mack link his campaign website to an endorsement from a racist Australian as if that were a good thing? Sometimes the stoopid just burns all over ... #-o ](*,)

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Hahaha! Sharia Mack fought with PayPal to convince them he wasn't a non-profit but, whoops, that's what he put down on his application when he first signed up!

Of course, says he, they should have known from looking at my website that I'm not!


I've done some checking (not sure if in all the right places) and have found no evidence that The Shurf'
ever registered a non-profit. Could this mean that he (GASP!) never officially set one up and then (at least for a while) gathered money through PayPal under false pretenses?

Lawyerly opinements, please ...

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