Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4727 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 190  Next   
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: WND
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:31 am
Posts: 2120
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
It may be just me but that looks like a really bad photoshop job. Fark could have done a better job.


Have Polarik check it out.

_________________
"I believe that 90% of the things alleged in the complaint didn't happen. But that's not going to make following this lawsuit any less enjoyable." - Sterngard Friegen


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Wing Nut Daily
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Today in the Wing Nut Daily....

We are defending Tax Protestors. It is noted that no name is credited to the article.


Quote:
FAITH UNDER FIRE
'Government persecuting' jailed creation evangelist
Kent Hovind built celebrated anti-evolution ministry, now serving 10-year prison sentence on tax charges
Posted: May 31, 2009 - 8:35 pm Eastern - © 2009 WorldNetDaily

He was one of America's favorite biblical creation teachers and lecturers – known for debating pro-evolution science professors in the nation's most prestigious secular colleges and universities.

So successful was his ministry, he built a dinosaur theme park in Florida, his videos of his presentations were a delight to thousands, he hosted a radio program and was in demand as a speaker 52 weeks a year.

But now Kent Hovind, known affectionately as "Dr. Dino," resides in a small federal prison cell in South Carolina – serving a 10-year sentence for failing to collect and pay withholding taxes, obstructing tax laws and other related charges. His diminutive wife, Jo, the bookkeeper for the Hovinds' Creation Science Evangelism ministry in Pensacola, was convicted of evading bank-reporting requirements and began serving a one-year sentence in January at a minimum security prison camp in Florida.

Kent Hovind's followers, however, contend he was prosecuted because of his religious convictions – and because he was so effective in exposing what he calls "the big lie of evolution."

This month, Hovind is appealing his case to the U.S. Supreme Court after a final rejection Feb. 25 by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta.[...]


Are you crying yet?

Quote:
[...]Hovind argues he took a vow of poverty as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and, therefore, owns nothing and receives no income. All of his needs are taken care of by the ministry, he explains.

He says he understood that as a registered 508 non-profit organization, he was not required to withhold taxes, leaving IRS obligations with each worker.

In November 2006, however, Hovind was convicted of failing to collect and pay $470,000 in withholding taxes, obstructing tax laws, structuring transactions totaling $430,500 to avoid financial reporting laws, filing a frivolous lawsuit against the IRS, filing an injunction against an IRS agent and threatening investigators and others who cooperated with the investigation.[...]


Quote:
[...]Hovind's son, Eric, asserts his parents and the ministry he now heads are not scofflaws.

"My father says very clearly, if you owe a tax, by law, you should pay it," he told WND. "We are not tax protesters."

But Eric Hovind acknowledges his father has espoused principles and beliefs shared by leading tax resisters.

In 1996, Kent Hovind tried to file for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes. He told a judge at a hearing he did not believe the United States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office "have jurisdiction in this matter."

"I sincerely believe that I am not a person required to file a Federal Income Tax Return," he said. "This belief is a result of extensive research that I have done."

Asked by the judge where he lived, Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."

Kent Hovind has stated he believes the Bible "teaches us to obey the authority over us."

But he contends the "IRS is not the authority over me any more than the government of Japan is."[...]


It's a long article. You can read it if you want. I wouldn't recommend it. I really need to go get a hanky... I'm all weepy.

[linkbtn]WND,http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98757[/linkbtn] <--Easy, Peasy. Thanks, Foggy.

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Wing Nut Daily
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Olbermann names JILL STANEK OF WORLD NET DAILY Worst Person in the World. She posted the names, photos and addresses of remaining two doctors who perform late term abortions when the woman's life is in danger.


_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Wing Nut Daily
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm
Posts: 23571
Great find mimi.

_________________
Let us tenderly and kindly cherish, therefore, the means of knowledge. Let us dare to read, think, speak, and write.
John Adams


ImageImage


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
WND has a story about how CBS told them to Get Lost. :lol:


Quote:
"Here we have one of the largest media companies in the U.S. now not only refusing to allow news coverage of a vitally important national question being asked by millions of Americans, but one that won't even permit the purchase of space to raise the question," said Farah. "What is the value of a First Amendment in a country when this kind of self-censorship is at work – self-censorship specifically geared to stifle inquiry and debate about the most powerful person in the country."

[snip]

Farah says CBS obviously has a focus beyond making money by selling signs.

"CBS is a company that is not squeamish about feeding America's children a steady diet of offensive movies, obscene rap music and even TV commercials that push the cultural and moral envelope," said Farah. "But CBS is afraid to put up a sign containing four innocent words of constitutionally protected, non-inflammatory speech. You explain that to me. This is a giant media conglomerate unworthy of operating under the protection of the First Amendment."

Nevertheless, Farah remains undaunted in his quest to post the eligibility issue on billboards across the country and insists CBS billboards are not needed to fulfill the mission. His media buyer, who had no opinion on the campaign when she became involved, says she has had her eyes opened.

"They (CBS) already knew about this campaign when approached," she said. "Being involved in this campaign has not only opened my eyes but has disillusioned my faith in Americans standing up for what's right and equal in the eyes of our forefathers who wrote the Constitution for this very reason. It has made me feel sad."

The local account executive at CBS was shocked by the response from the top levels of the corporation.

"We just received an e-mail from CBS Corporate," he wrote. "They are aware of this campaign and we are not allowed to install it. This came straight from corporate. Sorry!"


It's a long article to say nothing. You can read it here:
[linkbtn]WingNutDaily on Big Bad CBS,http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100022[/linkbtn]

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
:(( :(( :(( Joey cries...


Quote:
What it's like to be me
Posted: June 06, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

Here I am just minding my own business and some Arab who can't spell posts the following on the White House's "Open Government Dialogue Website": "Joseph Farah is a serious U.S. domestic danger."

That's what my life is like.

I'm just here plugging away, trying to make sure the Constitution is enforced because the president won't do it, the Congress won't do it, the Supreme Court won't do it, not even the federal workers at General Motors will do it.

So, in my spare hours when I'm not busy producing the most informative news site on the Internet, I launched a campaign to pressure Barack Obama to release his birth certificate.

Honestly, I thought Bill Clinton was the pro at obfuscation, but Obama and company put him to shame. Clinton couldn't get away with questioning the meaning of the word "is." People didn't buy it. But Obama has demonstrated his ability to confuse 300 million Americans as to what constitutes a "birth certificate."[...]


It goes on, and links hto the ideascale site where the discussion about Joey is located.

(BTW, they really have trashed that site. And, some of the entries were very crude)

Joey Farah's Whine

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:12 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:58 am
Posts: 151
mimi wrote:
:(( :(( :(( Joey cries...


Quote:
What it's like to be me
Posted: June 06, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

Here I am just minding my own business and some Arab who can't spell posts the following on the White House's "Open Government Dialogue Website": "Joseph Farah is a serious U.S. domestic danger."

That's what my life is like.

I'm just here plugging away, trying to make sure the Constitution is enforced because the president won't do it, the Congress won't do it, the Supreme Court won't do it, not even the federal workers at General Motors will do it.

. . .

Nobody loves me, everybody hates me
Think I'll go eat worms
Long ones, short ones, fat ones, thin ones. . .


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
WingNutDaily features this article:

Quote:
Who ya gonna call when disaster strikes?
For those who don't trust feds, now there's a 'privatized FEMA'
Posted: May 26, 2009

Barrett Moore

WASHINGTON – "North Koreans conduct another nuclear test."

"Half of Israelis back immediate strike on Iran."

"Tamiflu might not work against swine flu."

These were some of the headlines yesterday.

And headlines like that have Americans more unnerved than they have been since the 1960s when government was building and equipping community fallout shelters and stocking them to provide for the public in all manner of emergencies.

But funding for national civil defense was gutted in the 1970s as the ethos that "no one can survive a nuclear war" became prevalent.

Today, facing the new threats and the old ones, Americans are on their own – or are they?

Into the fray steps a new company called Sovereign Deed. It has been described as a "privatized FEMA" and "private
civil defense." But the people who started the company like to call it a service providing "life continuity."


[snip]

Sovereign Deed is a big idea – providing advice, training, communication, supplies, equipment and even emergency response to those who are willing to pay for it.

Barrett has assembled a team with many years of emergency medical service and disaster response experience.

We have put together a team that is second to none," he says. "We have more experience than the federal government has in many respects."


WindNutDaily

Ed Brayton tells us the guy has been convicted of fraud.

Quote:
[...]On the Sovereign Deed website and in his bio, Moore claimed to have "served as an intelligence officer in the U.S. Army, specializing in issues related to the non-proliferation of biological weapons and related weapons of mass destruction." In fact, Moore spent a year in ROTC at DePauw University, never completed it and was discharged without ever even going through basic training.

When we revealed that fact, we got a rather amusing response. His attorney claimed that the work he did was so top secret that it wouldn't be found in the usual databases and that's why the Pentagon said they couldn't find it. When we sent that statement to a public affairs officer at the Pentagon he laughed and said, "I hear that all the time." Moore immediately threatened to sue us. He never did, of course, because he knew he would lose. In fact, he later admitted that he had exaggerated his virtually non-existent military credentials.

We also reported that he had been convicted of fraud in a business scam in Australia in the early 90s and had been sued for fraud several times by business partners in the United States. Sovereign Deed is a fraud, plain and simple, and so is Moore.


[linkbtn]Dispatches from the Culture Wars,http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/06/worldnutdaily_pimps_sovereign.php#more[/linkbtn]

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Dave Weigel keeping tabs on the birthers...

Quote:
Obama Birther Billboard Spotted

By David Weigel 6/8/09 12:36 PM

WorldNetDaily has been crowing about (and soliciting donations for) “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” anti-Obama billboards for months, but I hadn’t actually seen one. The first one’s finally up in Louisiana, and Robert Morgan reports and talks to Glenn Ward, who sold WND the space:


Dave's Blog

Dave linked to the original article at The Town Talk:

Quote:
BALL -- "Where's the Birth Certificate?" is the cryptic message on an electronic billboard at the corner of Tioga Road and U.S. Highway 165.[...]


Quote:
Although the WorldNetDaily article states that the sign was donated, Ward said that apparently was a mistake by someone in the WND organization, which is headed by editor and CEO Joseph Farah.

"I think that might be a small misstatement," Ward said.

He said, however, "I gave them a little discount, but they paid for it."

The signs were a result of an online message concerning billboards, he said.

"When you're a small businessman like me, you have to hustle. When I saw the message that (Farah) was planning a billboard campaign, that caught my eye," he said.

Farah's e-mail address was on the Web site, he said. "So I just started typing a message, and within minutes I got a message back. It was the guy himself."

Ward, owner of Ward Outdoor Advertising, said he had made an offer to put up Farah's message "and I got a message back
asking me, 'How much?'"


Quote:
Asked his own opinions on the sign, Ward said, "I guess it's a nice message. I pretty much agree with them."

"Obama could stop all of this by just showing his birth certificate. Why doesn't he?" he said.

From a business standpoint, Ward said it is a positive transaction, having gotten him mention in London, England, news media and elsewhere.

Pointing out he is in the advertising business, he said having people mention you does not hurt.


The Town Talk

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:38 pm
Posts: 1714
Location: about 26,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy,
Occupation: Chemtrail Scheduling Supervisor, Southwest Division
Anyone remember the old WND article about WND's investigation into Obama's BC found it to be authentic? It has apparently been removed from WNDs site. :-#

_________________
“I wish I would have a real tragic love affair and get so bummed out that I'd just quit my job and become a bum for a few years, because I was thinking about doing that anyway.”
Jack Handey


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:38 pm
Posts: 1714
Location: about 26,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy,
Occupation: Chemtrail Scheduling Supervisor, Southwest Division
Dallasite wrote:
Anyone remember the old WND article about WND's investigation into Obama's BC found it to be authentic? It has apparently been removed from WNDs site. :-#


:oops: Never mind! I quess my computer's running really slow and it took forever to load! :oops:

_________________
“I wish I would have a real tragic love affair and get so bummed out that I'd just quit my job and become a bum for a few years, because I was thinking about doing that anyway.”
Jack Handey


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Now, they want his KINDERGARTEN RECORDS. :shock:

Quote:
Obama: Where have all his records gone?
Footprints of president's own history either vanish or remain covered up
Posted: June 09, 2009 8:34 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Image
Obama's alleged kindergarten class (photo: Maui News)


While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present his elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other documents remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye.

Numerous documents which have yet to be surrendered include the following.

Obama kindergarten records

The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.

According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country.

So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.[...]


[linkbtn]WingNutDaily,http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613[/linkbtn]

=))

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:36 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:27 am
Posts: 1670
Location: Southern Gondwana
It must be easy writing for these clowns. Just think up a new headline and cut & paste from all the preceding bullshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Dave Weigel:

Quote:
Why Do Billboard Companies Hate the Truth?

By David Weigel 6/10/09 8:50 AM

WorldNetDaily does some in-house “reporting” on its campaign to buy billboard space demanding that President Obama hand over his birth certificate. The site’s hitting some snags:

Quote:
Lamar [Outdoor] joins CBS, the No. 1 outdoor advertising company, in prohibiting its salesmen nationwide from accepting leases of billboards for a campaign that asks the simple question, “Where’s the birth certificate?” “We’re just not going to accept that copy,” Lamar spokesman Hal Kirshaw told WND. “We think it’s a settled matter. We think it’s misleading to indicate there’s any question about the president’s birth certificate. We looked at it and we made the call.”


WorldNetDaily, amusingly, accuses Kirshaw of lacking evidence for his theory.


[linkbtn]Dave's Place,http://washingtonindependent.com/46288/why-do-billboard-companies-hate-the-truth[/linkbtn]

=))

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:45 pm
Posts: 377
Wonder how long it will take WND to rant about this:

Quote:
You may have already seen this photo of Obama with his feet up in the Oval Office. Now Huffington Post lets us know that this is considered by some parties to be an offense against our allies in Israel: "A number of Israeli newscasters last night called the posture insulting," says HuffPo, "since in many Arab countries, it is considered an insult to show someone the sole of your shoe." Israeli paper Haaretz took it to the bridge: "As an enthusiast of Muslim culture, Obama surely knows there is no greater insult in the Middle East than pointing the soles of one's shoes at another person. Indeed, photos of other presidential phone calls depict Obama leaning on his desk, with his feet on the floor."


Read the rest of the article


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:05 pm
Posts: 1870
Location: A 'burb, Texas
Occupation: Keyboard Monkey
meson wrote:
Wonder how long it will take WND to rant about this:

Quote:
You may have already seen this photo of Obama with his feet up in the Oval Office. Now Huffington Post lets us know that this is considered by some parties to be an offense against our allies in Israel: "A number of Israeli newscasters last night called the posture insulting," says HuffPo, "since in many Arab countries, it is considered an insult to show someone the sole of your shoe." Israeli paper Haaretz took it to the bridge: "As an enthusiast of Muslim culture, Obama surely knows there is no greater insult in the Middle East than pointing the soles of one's shoes at another person. Indeed, photos of other presidential phone calls depict Obama leaning on his desk, with his feet on the floor."


Read the rest of the article


O. M. G.

Do these people have anything better to do?

_________________
"I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers."
~ Khalil Gibran


Image Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:47 pm
Posts: 3773
Location: USA
Occupation: Cat petter, RN with license voluntarily inactive, just like Michelle Obama's law license.
zeelin wrote:
mimi wrote:
:(( :(( :(( Joey cries...


Quote:
What it's like to be me
Posted: June 06, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

Here I am just minding my own business and some Arab who can't spell posts the following on the White House's "Open Government Dialogue Website": "Joseph Farah is a serious U.S. domestic danger."

That's what my life is like.

I'm just here plugging away, trying to make sure the Constitution is enforced because the president won't do it, the Congress won't do it, the Supreme Court won't do it, not even the federal workers at General Motors will do it.

. . .

Nobody loves me, everybody hates me
Think I'll go eat worms
Long ones, short ones, fat ones, thin ones. . .


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hilarious first post, zeelin.

Welcome to PJ!

_________________
esseff44 wrote: She reminded listeners that it does not matter how many cases she loses because she only has to win one!

A Legal Lohengrin wrote: That's the reasoning of a terrorist. A terrorist has to succeed only once, too.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:59 pm
Posts: 8012
Location: HQ Email/Website Hacking Dept, located in the basement of a Liberal-Socialist-Swine Ivory Tower
Occupation: College Instructor; Psychologist
Quote:
As an enthusiast of Muslim culture, Obama surely knows there is no greater insult in the Middle East than pointing the soles of one's shoes at another person.


OMG. Seriously. SERIOUSLY!!??? :!: :!: :!:

How does one insult another person by showing the soles of one's shoes in a photo? IT IS A GODDAMN PHOTO! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Somehow, I suspect that Muslims consider insults towards their faith or Prophet to be much more offensive than seeing the soles of someone's shoes.

This is one of those "Most Pathetic Criticisms of a President Ever."

_________________
"I have a Ph.D in horribleness."Dr. Horrible of the Evil League of Evil
"The birthers are particularly good at puting two and two together and coming up with aardvark."Pat Gund


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:12 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:45 pm
Posts: 377
Hannity is talking about this story right now:

listen


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Did you know that children of minors are not citizens? It must be so. Joey Farah says so.

Quote:
But I do know who Barack Obama claims his parents were. According to him, neither one of them was an American citizen able to confer natural born citizenship on a child. One, Barack Obama Sr., was a foreign national from Kenya, and the other, Stanley Ann Dunham, was too young to have qualified under the law for bestowing that privilege on her son, even if the father had been a citizen and even in the unlikely event Obama was actually born in Hawaii!


WingNutDaily

BTW, I think Hawaii should address this:

Quote:
Now, I don't know who Barack Obama's parents are, because I have never seen his birth certificate. All I've seen is a facsimile of a "certification of live birth" on the Internet. That document, even if genuine, proves nothing about Obama's birth in Hawaii or who his parents were. Hawaii had a very slipshod practice in 1961 of issuing these documents to babies born outside the country and listing parents who may not have been the parents at all.

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:41 pm
Posts: 6416
Location: Edmonds, WA
mimi wrote:
Did you know that children of minors are not citizens? It must be so. Joey Farah says so.

Quote:
But I do know who Barack Obama claims his parents were. According to him, neither one of them was an American citizen able to confer natural born citizenship on a child. One, Barack Obama Sr., was a foreign national from Kenya, and the other, Stanley Ann Dunham, was too young to have qualified under the law for bestowing that privilege on her son, even if the father had been a citizen and even in the unlikely event Obama was actually born in Hawaii!


The wingnuts have been making that claim for a while about Stanley Ann Dunham. And, under the laws at that time, she would have been unable to pass on her US citizenship if Obama had been born outside the country. Since he was born in the United States, it doesn't matter WHO his parents were.

I suspect this is the main reason why the wingnuts are so hyped about trying to prove a Kenyan birth.

_________________
Bad Fiction - The Intersection of Bad Movies and Worse Politics


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
PatGund wrote:
mimi wrote:
Did you know that children of minors are not citizens? It must be so. Joey Farah says so.

Quote:
But I do know who Barack Obama claims his parents were. According to him, neither one of them was an American citizen able to confer natural born citizenship on a child. One, Barack Obama Sr., was a foreign national from Kenya, and the other, Stanley Ann Dunham, was too young to have qualified under the law for bestowing that privilege on her son, even if the father had been a citizen and even in the unlikely event Obama was actually born in Hawaii!


The wingnuts have been making that claim for a while about Stanley Ann Dunham. And, under the laws at that time, she would have been unable to pass on her US citizenship if Obama had been born outside the country. Since he was born in the United States, it doesn't matter WHO his parents were.

I suspect this is the main reason why the wingnuts are so hyped about trying to prove a Kenyan birth.


Pat, read the whole sentence. I read it as it doesn't matter where he was born, or even if his father was a citizen. The fact that Stanley Ann was under 18 means Barack H. Obama is not a "natural born citizen".

Quote:
Stanley Ann Dunham, was too young to have qualified under the law for bestowing that privilege on her son, even if the father had been a citizen and even in the unlikely event Obama was actually born in Hawaii!


Of course, Joey isn't even sure Stanley Ann is his mother.

Quote:
Without a real birth certificate, no one really knows who his parents were. So it is ridiculous even to speculate about whether citizenship could be conferred upon him by his mother, when we don't know for sure who his mother is.

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:53 pm
Posts: 12886
Location: location, location
Occupation: Ruler of the Intarwebz
mimi wrote:
Pat, read the whole sentence. I read it as it doesn't matter where he was born, or even if his father was a citizen.

Oh, he read the whole sentence, I'd bet some serious $$ on that. He's just saying Joseph Farah is wrong.

I'd also bet Joey knows he's wrong. Lots of 18 year old kids have babies in the U.S. Under Farah's interpretation, none of those babies are "natural born citizens," even though born on US soil to two US citizens.

'Cuz, y'know ... the parents weren't old enough to have NBCs. [-(

_________________
... then one day I found some birthers on my planet. Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:01 am
Posts: 18594
Location: Planet Earth (most the time)
Occupation: I'm not at liberty to say. In other words, I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
:oops: Ok. I re-read. Sorry.

_________________
Yes We Can! ~ Thomas Jefferson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: WND
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:41 pm
Posts: 6416
Location: Edmonds, WA
Foggy wrote:
mimi wrote:
Pat, read the whole sentence. I read it as it doesn't matter where he was born, or even if his father was a citizen.

Oh, he read the whole sentence, I'd bet some serious $$ on that. He's just saying Joseph Farah is wrong.

I'd also bet Joey knows he's wrong. Lots of 18 year old kids have babies in the U.S. Under Farah's interpretation, none of those babies are "natural born citizens," even though born on US soil to two US citizens.

'Cuz, y'know ... the parents weren't old enough to have NBCs. [-(


You're absolutely right, I did read the entire sentence.

Early on, the protobirthers came up with this claim that Obama's mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship. Snopes even commented on it in October of last year

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Quote:
The item quoted above posits that Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because the law in effect at the time he was born specified that "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Since Barack Obama only had one U.S. citizen parent (his mother), and his mother had not been residing in the U.S. for at least five years after the age of 16 when Barack was born (because she herself was only 18 at the time), then he's not a natural-born citizen.

A few facets of this claim immediately jump out as being far-fetched: first, that a sitting U.S. Senator who has already spent a good deal of time and money securing his party's nomination for the presidency would suddenly be discovered as ineligible due to an obscure provision of U.S. law; and second, that U.S. law would essentially penalize someone who would otherwise qualify for natural-born citizenship status simply because his mother was too young. The fact is, the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, they do not apply to him.

The Fourteenth Amendment states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama's parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he'd still qualify as a natural-born citizen.

Some have claimed that Barack Obama's Hawaiian birthplace doesn't qualify him as a natural-born citizen because Hawaii was not yet a state when he was born. This claim is wrong: Hawaii was admitted as the 50th state almost two years before Barack Obama's birth there (21 August 1959 for statehood vs. 4 August 1961 for Obama's birthdate).


It's not a big surprise that World Nut Daily is rehashing something so long disproven.

_________________
Bad Fiction - The Intersection of Bad Movies and Worse Politics


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4727 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 190  Next   

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Lani and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
View new posts | View active topics



Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group