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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:38 pm 
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As someone who grew up in Sacramento, if I was lookin' to meet a single guy with a thing for white hoods and burning things, I'd head up Yuba way....


I guess I should point out I was born at Beale AFB and grew up in the Marysville / Yuba City area....... :)

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Yeah! Something Sterny can attend!

If it ever gets that far.

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Yeah! Something Sterny can attend!

If it ever gets that far.

Only if you'll fly me there. It's 400 friggin air miles to Sacramento, GG.

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PatGund wrote:
Taverl wrote:
As someone who grew up in Sacramento, if I was lookin' to meet a single guy with a thing for white hoods and burning things, I'd head up Yuba way....


I guess I should point out I was born at Beale AFB and grew up in the Marysville / Yuba City area....... :)


Lucky you. ;)

My dad was stationed at Travis and he and Mom lived in Napa, but sadly, that was before I was born.

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I lived in South Land Park for 6 years. Sacto was a great place to be a kid. We lived next door to the man who owned the pony rides and the tiny Adventureland*, with it's miniature roller coaster, at Land Park. , My favorite, though, was Fairytale Town. And the zoo. I loved the otters. ;)




* once in a great while he'd let us help ride the ponies back to their pasture by the river, and at Halloween he handed out tickets to ride instead of candy :D

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It's kind of cute how they each identify themselves as a "natural person resident." Otherwise, the court might have mistaken them for corporations under Citizens United.


I'm sensing a strong vibe of deja vu.

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Yeah! Something Sterny can attend!

If it ever gets that far.

Only if you'll fly me there. It's 400 friggin air miles to Sacramento, GG.


Can't we just put the top down on the Magic Car and enjoy the drive?

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I did a little reading and this sucker is indeed headed straight for the Keyes v. Bowen trash bin. That's assuming that it survives a demurrer. It is a pretty incoherent pile of poo.

And then - California Elections Code 13314 clearly refers to the performance of ministerial tasks and does not require any "vetting" by the California Secretary of State.

Another swing and a miss.

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These klowns included in their prayer a request for attorneys fees. Yeah, right. The court is going to award attorneys fees to a bunch of litigants who aren't incurring fees. ](*,)

OTOH, they might find themselves facing an OSC to pay fees to the State of California.

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Don't forget that O;rly has bee pooh-poohing the chances of
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as a winning argument. She may have turned them down because they would not include SS fraud and BC forgery which are her winning arguments no one else has.

As bad as O'rly's handwriting is, it is not nearly as bad as Pamela's. Hers looks like a roomful of second graders signing a birfday card or sumfthing.

Are they demanding the she start doing something on Jan. 9th, 2012 but the thing wasn't filed until the 11th? Haven't we see that kind of thing in Hawai'i ?

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GreatGrey wrote:
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Yeah! Something Sterny can attend!

If it ever gets that far.

Only if you'll fly me there. It's 400 friggin air miles to Sacramento, GG.


Take the convertible. :-({|=

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Umm...I'm only a +/- 90 minute drive from Sacto. I've so been hoping for a fail hearing in my neck of the woods.

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Umm...I'm only a +/- 90 minute drive from Sacto. I've so been hoping for a fail hearing in my neck of the woods.


I'm 5 hour drive (or a 50 minute flight), but I wouldn't mind doing so to see some entertainment. ^_^ Especially of the birther kind.

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I did a little reading and this sucker is indeed headed straight for the Keyes v. Bowen trash bin. That's assuming that it survives a demurrer. It is a pretty incoherent pile of poo.

And then - California Elections Code 13314 clearly refers to the performance of ministerial tasks and does not require any "vetting" by the California Secretary of State.

Another swing and a miss.


Thanks, raicha. That was my thought when I first read it. I've posted in a few places (including here when I first posted on the document "Can anyone say Keyes v Bowen?" (channeling Mr. Rogers :D )

In case any newbies or others who were here at the time don't remember Keyes v Bowen and the outcome, here is the opinion of the appellate court.

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It's kind of cute how they each identify themselves as a "natural person resident." Otherwise, the court might have mistaken them for corporations under Citizens United.


I'm sensing a strong vibe of deja vu.


I think the "natural person" affectation might be a dial-back from Strunk's in esse schtick, which Pambly picked up for a while. My theory? Either Strunk holds Birfistani trademark rights or Pambly's co-vexes didn't like it.

They say that stale or stinky odors are among the strongest triggers of deja vu and are also associated with auras that presage oncoming seizures.

Same shit, different day.

Edit: Coupla words.

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This is such a mixed bowl of nuts that it will take me some time to track through the diverse statutes they have tossed in.

But for starters, they are quoting the same CCP section - 44 - as Orly did in Taitz v. Dunn. Taitz thought, and these loons do too, that it is a section that expedites hearing of election cases in the trial court. It is not. It applies, as it says in black and white, to appeals.

At Orlylaw, "standard" references of this sort are known as Orlyplate. Because this citation has been fully researched and authoritatively cleared for use by Dr. Orly herself, there is no need to revisit the text of the statute when filing a copycat suit or motion.

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In case any newbies or others who were here at the time don't remember Keyes v Bowen and the outcome, here is the opinion of the appellate court.


Not only does Keyes v. Bowen crush the hopes of the California challenge, parts of the Appellate Opinion are probably worth quoting in other states.

the presidential nominating process is not subject to each of the 50 states’ election officials independently deciding whether a presidential nominee is qualified, as this could lead to chaotic results. Were the courts of 50 states at liberty to issue injunctions restricting certification of duly-elected presidential electors, the result could be conflicting rulings and delayed transition of power in derogation of statutory and constitutional deadlines. Any investigation of eligibility is best left to each party, which presumably will conduct the appropriate background check or risk that its nominee’s election will be derailed by an objection in Congress, which is authorized to entertain and resolve the validity of objections following the submission of the electoral votes.


Georgia law may disagree, but the California Court has a point.

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In case any newbies or others who were here at the time don't remember Keyes v Bowen and the outcome, here is the opinion of the appellate court.


Not only does Keyes v. Bowen crush the hopes of the California challenge, parts of the Appellate Opinion are probably worth quoting in other states.

the presidential nominating process is not subject to each of the 50 states’ election officials independently deciding whether a presidential nominee is qualified, as this could lead to chaotic results. Were the courts of 50 states at liberty to issue injunctions restricting certification of duly-elected presidential electors, the result could be conflicting rulings and delayed transition of power in derogation of statutory and constitutional deadlines. Any investigation of eligibility is best left to each party, which presumably will conduct the appropriate background check or risk that its nominee’s election will be derailed by an objection in Congress, which is authorized to entertain and resolve the validity of objections following the submission of the electoral votes.


Georgia law may disagree, but the California Court has a point.


I guess this has no practical application/ramification in the various election challenges elsewhere? Is it worth even noting in those challenges?

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listeme wrote:
brygenon wrote:
realist wrote:
In case any newbies or others who were here at the time don't remember Keyes v Bowen and the outcome, here is the opinion of the appellate court.


Not only does Keyes v. Bowen crush the hopes of the California challenge, parts of the Appellate Opinion are probably worth quoting in other states.

the presidential nominating process is not subject to each of the 50 states’ election officials independently deciding whether a presidential nominee is qualified, as this could lead to chaotic results. Were the courts of 50 states at liberty to issue injunctions restricting certification of duly-elected presidential electors, the result could be conflicting rulings and delayed transition of power in derogation of statutory and constitutional deadlines. Any investigation of eligibility is best left to each party, which presumably will conduct the appropriate background check or risk that its nominee’s election will be derailed by an objection in Congress, which is authorized to entertain and resolve the validity of objections following the submission of the electoral votes.


Georgia law may disagree, but the California Court has a point.


I guess this has no practical application/ramification in the various election challenges elsewhere? Is it worth even noting in those challenges?


Absolutely. Even in Georgia, where an administrative court has decided that state law requires it let ballot changes based on eligibility to hold federal office proceed, the judge cannot be so deluded as believe himself the authoritative voice on the national question. Georgia law charges his office with deciding ballot challenges within the state, which seems to require a determination of eligibility. The administrative court would seem to be in an impossible position. Except, no, not really. It is not assigned the task of making all the various laws consistent, and in the case actually before it the authoritative answer has already appeared.

There's a bit of a subtext to both the California Courts' opinions in Keyes v Bowen. Though addressing a challenge to including a candidate on the ballot, and thus considering the questions as of ballot time, the Courts actually wrote their opinions later, knowing how the candidacy at issue was to play out. Like the Court of Appeals, still quoted above, the Superior Court of California for the County of Sacramento had taken the U.S. Congress as the authority:

Finally, the Secretary of State persuasively argues that the appropriate remedy for an issue concerning the qualifications of a President is an action before the United States Congress pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution and 3 U.S.C. section 15.

Whether or not a state must trust the nominating party to so fear congressional derailment of electoral victory that it will appropriately vet the eligibility of its candidate is s a moot point for this particular candidate, and was already moot by the time of the California courts' opinions.

The Constitutionally prescribed joint session of Congress certified Obama's election without a single objection. The previous administration, of the opposing party, smoothly and graciously transitioned power. The Chief Justice of the United States swore in the new president, and federal courts all over the nation, including the U.S. Supreme Court, have welcomed his appointments. The best evidence that Barack Obama is eligible to be President of the United States is that Barack Obama is President of the United States.

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Hoo boy, in my state - finally. Knew it would come.

Fortunately, we don't take kindly to birther types in our neck o' the woods :mrgreen:


Hey B the C ... if there is a hearing, do you think it would be in Sacto? It is a long way from the SFV, but I wouldn't miss it for anything. There might be so many of us there, we could have a tailgate party!

Plus, as California voters (and I am a registered Dem), can we personally do anything to thwart them, do you think?


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Hoo boy, in my state - finally. Knew it would come.

Fortunately, we don't take kindly to birther types in our neck o' the woods :mrgreen:


Hey B the C ... if there is a hearing, do you think it would be in Sacto? It is a long way from the SFV, but I wouldn't miss it for anything. There might be so many of us there, we could have a tailgate party!

Plus, as California voters (and I am a registered Dem), can we personally do anything to thwart them, do you think?


There is a good chance it would be Sacto, yes.

I don't think we as voters need to do much but let it play out, since they got nothin' I dont think much will come of it, heh 8-)

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There is a good chance it would be Sacto, yes.

As this lawsuit was filed in Sacramento County Superior Court the Superior Court for Sacramento County, I guarantee the hearing (if any) will be held in Sacramento. As will the inevitable appeal.

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If this thing survives long enough to be heard in court, I'd go. :mrgreen:

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I was wondering what was happening to Pambly et al's challenge so I paid a visit to the Sacramento Superior Court Website and there's good news and bad news for our birfer friends.

The good news is it's been allocated to a judge.

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the judge is Michael P Kenny who of course dismissed Keyes v Bowen :lol:

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