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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:30 pm 
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10,000 American troops pulled out of Afghanistan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. military officials say that President Barack Obama's order to withdraw 10,000 American troops from Afghanistan this year has been accomplished, a little more than a week before the year-end deadline.

The pullout is the first step in the U.S. military's plan to wind down the war, hand over security to Afghan forces and end the combat role for international troops by the end of 2014.

It also gives the Obama administration a second war-related accomplishment to tout this month — coming just a week after U.S. officials marked the end of the war in Iraq and the last convoy of American soldiers rumbled out of that country into Kuwait.


91,000 to go.

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Taliban says it will open Qatar office for talks with U.S.

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The Taliban has agreed to open a “political office” in Qatar to hold talks with the United States, the first time the militant group has confirmed it has an interest in negotiating with Washington. The Taliban, which has been fighting the Afghan government and the United States in Afghanistan for years, did not say what role it wanted the Afghan government to play in any negotiations.


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Probably they want to make concessions to the US to allow the US to leave gracefully and allow the Afgans to get back to the serious buisness of Afgans murdering one another in peace

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Let 'em get to it now. 2014 is too long.

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I'm not sure where to put this, but this seems like as good a place as any on the board. I should say at the outset that I've received absolutely no bad news recently.

I'm not sure how much any of you know about the very involved process that takes place when an American service member is killed or wounded overseas. Or, for that matter, how much you might want to know. If you don't want to know much, that's fine. Stop reading here, and move on.

Normally, there are excellent communications between the USA and the places where our troops are deployed. When my wife is in Iraq or Afghanistan, we usually hear from her on a daily basis. She calls in the morning, her time, and catches us after the kids get home from school. There are times when she's busy, or out at a small FOB without great communications, but even then she usually manages to email.

The military does its absolute best to make sure that casualty notifications - particularly in the event of death - are handled with sensitivity and dignity. Part of that process necessarily involves making sure that the family of the deceased don't learn of the death through indirect channels, or because their loved one is the only one who didn't call to report that it wasn't them. So if there's a death involving someone at a base in the combat zone, the members of the involved unit have their internet access cut until the official notification can take place.

Thus, when there is a fatality involving the unit that your loved one belongs to, there will be waiting involved for everyone at home.

Before my wife's deployments, I have been given paperwork that asks, among other things, for a set of detailed directions to my house, and if there is anyone local that I'd like to have with me should it be necessary.

Casualty notifications - at least according to everything I've heard, since I fortunately lack firsthand knowledge in this regard - frequently take place early in the morning. The notification can take place anytime between 0600 and 2200, but they try for early when they know people are home, because nobody wants to arrive home to find the chaplain and another officer in the driveway. So if there has been a casualty report from the area where your loved one is stationed, and there's been no contact that day, you tend to wake up early the next morning, and you tend to be very anxious between 0600 and 0800.

When the notifications are complete, or when the news spreads that it wasn't actually the unit your loved one is assigned to that took the casualties, you feel happy. Very happy. Very relieved.

Then you feel like shit.

Because sometime, within the next few days, you realize that you are overjoyed because someone else's loved one has died.


Yeah. Zero troops in Afghanistan by the end of 2014 feels like a really, really, really good idea.

Edit: ETA: for clarification, I'm not waiting for news at the moment, I'm feeling like shit.

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Mike, I couldn't imagine going through that. The human costs of these wars are what have been glossed over for the past 10 years. Yeah, the local news runs a story about the local soldier dying, but nothing about the hell the famil goes through during and after the deployment or, god forbid, death in the field.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:43 am 
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Mike, I couldn't imagine going through that


I've done it 19 times with friends I made while in the military.

It hasn't gotten any easier.

BTW, did that 10,000 come home or get re-deployed to Kuwait or Baharain or Europe, etc.?


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My first mother-in-law got the visit from the Chaplain and Officer during the Korean War. She often described it as the worst moment of her life. It turned out that Dan had been "misplaced" and two weeks later he called stateside to report that he was still among the living.

I simply cannot imagine the emotions she went through.


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My God, me either. Mike, I can't imagine how you deal with it, much less stay as funny, cheerful and sane as you are. Much love to you and yours and thanks beyond measure for what you do for all of us.

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CNSNews.com, a branch of Media Research Center that specializes in delivering "The Right News. Right Now.", ran a July 2, 2012, article "70% of U.S. Military Fatalities in 11-Year Afghan War Have Occurred on Obama's Watch" by Edwin Mora.
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Of the 1,912 U.S. military personnel who have died in the now nearly 11-year-long war in Afghanistan, 1,343 have died since President Barack Obama was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009.
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The war in Afghanistan started on Oct. 7, 2001, when the United States invaded that country to track down al Qaeda terrorists and overthrow the Taliban regime that had provided sanctuary to al Qaeda in the years before the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
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The three years of the Obama have been the three deadliest for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. In 2009, 303 U.S. service members perished there. In 2010, 497 did. In 2011, 399 U.S. military personnel died in Afghanistan.

Obama has also presided over the top five deadliest months of the war, which include: August 2011, when there were 71 deaths; July 2010, when there were 65 deaths; June 2010, when there were 60 deaths; October 2009, when there were 58 deaths; and August 2010, when there were 55 deaths.

CNSNews.com based its report of "enhanced" statistics not only on casualties listed by the DoD but also on media reports and information from the International Security Assistance Force. Without care, this could lead to double-counting. An increase might have been expected from the "surge" of 30,000 additional troops to which the President agreed. New York Times May 19, 2012 Charting Obama’s Journey to a Shift on Afghanistan

The CNSNews report thus has some credibility, but the very fact that it is in CNSNews makes me suspect that the numbers have been twisted to make the President look bad. Among the many comments is a claim that this increase in deaths is because the new rules of engagement put American soldiers at greater risk. Racism also comes through ("the caged Baboon in Chief, the star act in the Freak show in WA DC").

Somebody who knows something about the Afghan war might cast some light on this story.

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They're dying at a rate of 1 per day from suicide (Timothy Williams, NYT).

The ROE isn't causing problems. Having troops there in the first place and blowing up children with drone rounds with sickening regularity is causing the most problems. Every child that dies has relatives that survive. They know who killed the child and they're turned against us.


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John Thomas8 wrote:
They're dying at a rate of 1 per day from suicide (Timothy Williams, NYT).

The ROE isn't causing problems. Having troops there in the first place and blowing up children with drone rounds with sickening regularity is causing the most problems. Every child that dies has relatives that survive. They know who killed the child and they're turned against us.

I doubt that the ConservativeNewsService included those suicides whether in-country or not.

It is an appalling statistic. I do feel that more can be done to prevent these tragedies, but I do not know whether the Obama Administration has the will or the means to act.

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Who controls the House sets how this will be addressed. And the chickenhawks aren't about to spend money on veterans. As it is, the bill for Iraq/Afghanistan is going to top $3 trillion, factoring in benefits for veterans. None of that was or is funded in the budget.

Congressional "leadership" is so cravenly inept, so sickeningly partisan, and so totally morally bankrupt that it's a wonder they accomplish anything.


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A harsh message but too true. It is not our soldiers or their officers about whom Mike Prysner is speaking. It is those who profit from war and those who enable them to do so. And those who sit on their sofas and proclaim "our cause it is just."

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Our real enemies are not those living in a distant land whose names or policies we don't understand; The real enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable, the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it's profitable, the Insurance Companies who deny us Health care when it's profitable, the Banks who take away our homes when it's profitable. Our enemies are not several hundred thousands away. They are right here in front of us
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`This, then, is our answer. We have no words to waste on you. When you reach out your vaunted strong hands for our palaces and purpled ease, we will show you what strength is. In roar of shell and shrapnel and in whine of machine-guns will our answer be couched. We will grind you revolutionists down under our heel, and we shall walk upon your faces. The world is ours, we are its lords, and ours it shall remain. As for the host of labor, it has been in the dirt since history began, and I read history aright. And in the dirt it shall remain so long as I and mine and those that come after us have the power. There is the word. It is the king of words--Power. Not God, not Mammon, but Power. Pour it over your tongue till it tingles with it. Power.'

And so ended the night with the Philomaths.

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An excellent read, Toll. Thanks for the link.

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End of 2014 is WAY TOO LONG. [-X


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http://costofwar.com/

http://costsofwar.org/article/us-and-allied-killed-and-wounded

http://costsofwar.org/article/us-veterans-and-military-families

http://costsofwar.org/article/civilians-killed-and-wounded

http://costsofwar.org/article/refugees-and-health

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So...now which country (Nato) will suffer the "last casualty" of the Afghan War Games? If American, who will it be and what unit will he/she be from? (rhetorical device...no need to answer)... :-

Edit: There's ALWAYS a last casualty of every war. Someone's son/daughter won't come home.

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This is an excerpt from a diary written by a 82nd Airborne paramedic from Fort Bragg who was serving in Afghanistan. Eric Williams was killed when his unit came under enemy fire on Monday, July 23. The last section of his diary was written July 17. It consists of very long paragraphs.
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Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Coming home

This deployment is coming to an end, in a few days we will be on a plane back to the United States to rejoin our family and friends and to try to readjust to a certain semblance of what we think life should be. The truth is everything has changed, we collectively have changed. We have changed as people, as an army, as citizens of the United States. We face uncertainty in nearly every aspect of our lives. Our families have been without us for a year and we have only two weeks to try to enjoy the extremely limited time we have with them before its back to the daily grind. Two weeks to try to reconnect, although this process can take weeks, months or even years. There is no promise that any of us will return unchanged. But we collectively have been granted access to something few ever see, or choose to see for that matter. We have bared witness to the atrocities of war. We have thrust ourselves into the midst of chaos in order to do something so important, so visceral, that few will ever understand what it means. We collectively have risked it all and put everything on the line to save our fellow man, regardless of nationality, race, religion or sex. I for one will reflect on these experiences for decades to come. And I know my comrades will as well. I cannot begin to describe the things we’ve seen, felt, or heard. We have lost brothers and colleagues. We have felt the sting of losing someone we tried our hardest to save. We have cleaned up the blood and reset our equipment in order to go back out and do it again. These people I work with are some of the most dedicated men and women I have ever met. They come from all walks of life and although different in so many aspects, all come together collectively to accomplish this mission. I’m proud to say that I work with some of the most professional people there are. But now we are going home. Were out of this god forsaken country, but we take with us the weight of a thousand missions. To try to dissect them as best we know how.

Now I am preparing to jump on a plane and return to a world that I don’t really understand anymore. When I was younger I used to think I had it figured out. The older I get and the more aware I become the more lost I feel. There is a widening gap between service member and civilian, our economy is still struggling, jobs are scarce and I can only sit back and watch as our home slips into a more prevalent ideology of entitlement. Where we are inundated with political pressures, told how to think and feel, who to vote for because of a political party, and try to voice our intolerance by “liking” a status on Facebook. It’s sickening to me now. Our youth are hamstringed by a failing education system, the poor are being cast out and pushed aside. Veterans of these wars are living at an all-time high of homelessness and joblessness. You can’t throw a rock in this country without hitting dozens of heavily medicated veterans. But the general public cares less and less about them and us. For the general public, unless you have something personally invested in these wars they just want to get along with their day. Without having to be reminded of what these men and women endure on a daily basis. Its unfathomable to them. Thus the widening gap grows. In times of random occurrence we hear “thank you for your service” in an airport, a restaurant, in passing at the realization that you served, although I’m sure most appreciate it. I know when I hear it, it almost sounds forced. Like it’s some sort of requirement to say. It’s become trite and cliché and it just feels fake. I’m sorry if this just hit a little too close to home for some of you reading this but I’m just tired of trying to appease everyone I come across. The truth is that the general American public couldn’t give a shit about us. They want their Starbucks and celebrity gossip and their “16 and pregnant” We are breeding a generation of young people who have no idea what this country is founded on or what its citizens had to go through in order to make this country great and more about what time jersey shore is on. We are losing…we are struggling. Not in some great sense of the word as though every generation has its great struggle. We are just losing. Losing ground on what we thought was right, what we thought life was supposed to be, and we are becoming very pissed off. It seems that the more time passes by and the longer im away from the US the angrier I become. We cannot live in a world where we hold onto the ideals that bitching solves anything, where we believe that things will be taken care of for us. If you want something done, go out and get it done…period.

So in closing, while reading this you might think I’ve become some angry disillusioned man, someone who sees things so much different than the average citizen, well maybe your right. But I can only hope that things someday will change. As for our accomplishments here in Afghanistan, I’d do it again in a heartbeat. I will forever hold these experiences close.

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Williams earned several awards and citations, including the Bronze Star Medal, the Purple Heart, the Air Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with Valor and oak leaf cluster, the Army Achievement Medal, the Army Good Conduct Medal, the National Defense Service Medal, the Afghanistan Campaign Medal with one campaign star, the Iraq Campaign Medal with two campaign stars, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon, the NATO Medal, and the Combat Medical Badge.

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Andrew Wade Nunn was Williams’ Senior Line Medic during his first deployment, according to Wade Nunn’s site, Thoughts in Andrew’s brain.

“My fellow Americans, yesterday, we lost a hero.” Wadenunn wrote in a post, which was reblogged by many. “SGT Williams was inside a tent when a mortar round landed inside the tent, it failed to detonate on impact. Without hesitation and with no regard for his personal safety he threw himself upon the projectile as it detonated, shielding his brothers from the blast, and ultimately sacrificing himself. His actions saved the lives of 7 men around him.”

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TollandRCR wrote:
This is an excerpt from a diary written by a 82nd Airborne paramedic from Fort Bragg who was serving in Afghanistan. Eric Williams was killed when his unit came under enemy fire on Monday, July 23. The last section of his diary was written July 17. It consists of very long paragraphs.


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Lesleigh Coyer, 25, of Saginaw, Michigan, lies down in front of the grave of her brother, Ryan Coyer,
who served with the U.S. Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan,
at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia March 11, 2013.
Coyer died of complications from an injury sustained in Afghanistan. He died on March 11, 2012
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The killing is not over yet. 2014 is a lifetime away for some of our soldiers.

GOV. MALLOY DIRECTS FLAGS TO HALF-STAFF IN HONOR OF ANDREW M. PEDERSEN-KEEL State of Connecticut Web site.
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(HARTFORD, CT) – Governor Dannel P. Malloy today ordered U.S. and Connecticut flags to fly at half-staff to honor Army Captain Andrew M. Pedersen-Keel who was killed in action while serving in Afghanistan.

“Captain Pedersen-Keel made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of our state and our nation," said Governor Malloy. "Our thoughts are with his family, his friends, and his unit during this very difficult time. We pray for a safe homecoming for our troops who are stationed around the world, and thank them for their bravery and service.”

“This is a tragic and sad reminder that even as the conflict in Afghanistan is winding down there are still hundreds of Connecticut soldiers in harm’s way,” said Lieutenant Governor Nancy Wyman. “Captain Pedersen-Keel and every one of the other 63 brave men and women from our state lost in Afghanistan and Iraq died defending us and our freedom, and that sacrifice must never be forgotten.”

Capt. Pedersen-Keel, 28, was a member of Company B, 1st Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group out of Fort Bragg, North Carolina. He was killed by a member of the Afghan National Police while conducting a patrol brief in the Jalrez District.

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