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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:34 am 
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Yeah I'll bow to your wisdom on this. You lot remind me every day that there's so much I don't know and understand about things. Part of the reason I like this forum. :xo

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Obly filed something.

Docket is here on her site:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=30112


And the pdf to the filing is here:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/ ... -Keyes.pdf


eta: It's date stamped 1/6. sorry.

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Obly filed something.

PREB. It is a mish-mash of prior pleadings.

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bob wrote:
mimi wrote:
Obly filed something.

PREB. It is a mish-mash of prior pleadings.


Don't think so, bob.

The first on is the Docket in the 9th showing that she too also (in addition to Kreep, which we knew about) has filed for a hearing en banc.

The second link is her Petition for a hearing en banc... or "rehearing" as she terms it.

I'll get it to Jack.

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Taitz seems to have ignored that the opinion deals solely with "standing." Her arguments all miss the mark (and merely re-hash what she has presented, albeit in a more confused fashion than in this petition). But my favorite line is this lesson in Orlylaw:
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Fraud is a tort and subject to a two year statute of limitations after the tort is discovered. The ruling was clearly erroneous
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In California, it's four years. If the statute differs elsewhere, it would be helpful to cite the statute that provides the limitation. (Since "fraud" is a state cause of action, there is no federal law governing the statute of limitations for the tort.)

Taitz had someone help her with this one. It's not as poorly written as most of her screechings, but it's still an F.

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Now at Jack's...

Orly's Petition for Rehearing en banc

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01/06/2012 60 Filed (ECF) Appellants Capt. Pamela Barnett, Richard Norton Bauerbach, Capt. Robin D. Biron, Col. John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Capt. Harry G. Butler, Rep. Glenn Casada, Jennifer Leah Clark, Charles Crusemire, Thomas S. Davidson, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Matthew Michael Edwards, Lt. Jason Freese, Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph. D., David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Frank Niceley, Robert Lee Perry, Col. Harry Riley, Sgt. Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, Capt. David Smithey, John Bruce Steidel, Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth, Rep. Eric Swafford, Capt. Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable, Jeff Graham Winthrope and Mark Wriggle in 10-55084 petition for rehearing en banc (from 12/22/2011 opinion). Date of service: 01/06/2012. [8023090] [10-55084, 09-56827] (OT)

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PREB = petition for rehearing en banc. (And "rehearing" is the correct term; the petition is asking for the case to be heard again.)

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bob wrote:
PREB = petition for rehearing en banc.


sorry... now I understand your post... :oops: yeah, mish-mash past BS.

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Orly's new petition contains this gem on p. 6:

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6. The Court erred in completely disregarding financial damages to Plaintiff Presidential candidate Keyes, who also ran against Obama for US senate in 2004. Keyes and Obama were top finishers in the senatorial election. If it is found that Obama indeed committed fraud, than Keyes has unique damages in the form of salary and lifetime benefits of a U.S. Senator.


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But, as Taitz helpfully pointed out, the statute of limitations (according to her) is 2 years from the date of discovery.

And, oh, wouldn't Keyes have had to sue for fraud?

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Orly's new petition contains this gem on p. 6:

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6. The Court erred in completely disregarding financial damages to Plaintiff Presidential candidate Keyes, who also ran against Obama for US senate in 2004. Keyes and Obama were top finishers in the senatorial election. If it is found that Obama indeed committed fraud, than Keyes has unique damages in the form of salary and lifetime benefits of a U.S. Senator.


:lol: :lol:


Yeah, this goes right back to something we were just discussing in a different thread. Orly truly does not comprehend the concept of "different cases". In Orly's mind, once you prove that someone did something wrong, you are automatically entitled to full relief for any conceivable harm that could have resulted, no matter where it was committed, when it happened, or if it was actually alleged in any pleading anywhere.

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A quick PREB primer:

After a circuit court rules, a party may petition for rehearing, rehearing en banc, or both.

Rehearing is asking the three judges who heard the case to hear it again; akin what Taitz just attempted to do in Taitz v. Fuddy.

Rehearing en banc is a request for the full court (except in the case of the 9th Circuit -- "en banc" means a panel of 11 judges*). Every active judge** gets to vote on whether the case ought to be reheard on banc. It takes a majority of the active judges' votes to get a case reheard en banc.


There is no hearing on whether to grant rehearing; it'll be decided solely on the papers.

There are time requirements on when to file, when the judges vote, etc. Suffice it to say, Taitz (and Kreep) will know in about a month that their cases will not be reheard.


* The chief judge and 10 randomly selected active judges.

** Only active judges get to vote on whether to hear a case en banc (and actually hear the case); senior judges may sit on 3-judge panels and hear cases, but can only recommend whether a case they ruled on should be heard en banc.

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Gee, the complexity of that rule makes it hard to predict how many will vote in favor of Orly's petition.

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It's not as poorly written as most of her screechings, but it's still an F.

Just doublechecking my birfermaf:

For every way in which Orly may find to screw up a motion, opposition or other filing, there is an equivalent, but distinctly quantifiable, grade of F to award such motion, opposition or other filing.

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In her assignment of error, Obly wrote:
1. The Court erred in its assessment of the case by concluding that the Plaintiffs were seeking to remove defendant from office. Plaintiffs were seeking declaratory relief. The plaintiffs did not specifically seek removal of defendant Obama from office. Declaratory relief was sought, which was within the purview of the court. The court misstated the relief sought and thus wrongly concluded the case presented is a non-justiciable political question, which it is not.


Wrong, Orly. You have no friggin’ idea what a declaratory judgment is, so let’s start here: It is NOT merely an advisory opinion. If you’d taken 10 minutes to read, or at least dither over, the Declaratory Judgments Act, you’d know that a DJ must address the legal relations of two (or more) parties with adverse interests and must be subject to specific relief of a conclusive nature. That is, you can’t get a DJ if it doesn’t solve the conflict between the parties. Except to the extent that additional orders of the court (e.g., injunction) may issue to enforce the prevailing party’s rights, a DJ is not a “stepping stone” to some other remedy to be pursued at some other time in some other forum – including the forum of public opinion.

Because your filings and pleadings and ‘zibits and screeching never identified any such conclusive remedy, the Court quite reasonably inferred that the only thing that would solve your antagonistic legal relationship with the President was his removal from office. Got it?

But-I-Tried-So-Hard Taitz wrote:
3. The court erred in disregarding the fact that counsel on the case, Orly Taitz, filed two legal actions against the secretary of state of CA, Debra Bowen, seeking a Writ of Mandamus directing Secretary of State to vet Obama and, due to evidence of him not being eligible, to de-certify election. Those actions…blah, blah, blah.


Judge Nishimura in Hawaii tried so hard too. She really did. But you didn’t take in a word she said, did you Orly? A court in one case could give a rat’s ass about what’s happening or what happened in some other case, somewhere else. Well actually, they do care when another court’s holdings establish precedent or invoke some other actual legal principle (e.g., res judicata or estoppel). However, whining about how the court didn’t give you credit for failing elsewhere is not one of those legal principles. So you think that a full en banc panel should go research and read all of your related fails?

This Court doesn’t care if you made an extraordinary effort flying around the country filing incompetent lawsuits. That’s your problem.

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4. The Court erred in ruling that plaintiffs lose standing in an elections fraud complaint filed after inauguration. This decision is not based on any law or precedents and defies basic logic. The court is saying that because the election is over the candidates for office are no longer candidates and cannot sue for fraud committed.


Groan. OK, two points: First, a court cannot entertain a suit if the court cannot grant the remedy sought. Got it? It’s a different way of ‘splaining the jurisdictional idea of “justiciability” and it’s also more or less a restatement of Rule 12(b)(6) as well. Here’s the deal: Once a President is inaugurated, a court can’t remove him/her; only Congress can.

Does that defy basic logic? I don’t think so. If you knew anything about Constitutional and statutory construction, you’d realize that it’s in your beloved adopted Constitution. So let’s try a simpler analogy. It’s kind of like how a football referee can’t assess a 15-yard penalty for celebrating in the end zone after the game is over. But if the celebration gets way out of hand, you can call the cops, but not the referee. OK?

Second, you’ve never pleaded a case for fraud, Orly. Not once. Please study carefully the elements of civil fraud. You’re not even close.

They’re-putting-powdered-glass-in-my-food Orly wrote:
5. The Court erred in not addressing undue influence on the Federal judge by the Defendant and his attorneys.


No, Orly, ‘fraid not. The court did not address undue influence because you have not one scintilla of admissible evidence that would suggest, much less prove, your delusions.

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6. The Court erred in completely disregarding financial damages to Plaintiff Presidential candidate Keyes, who also ran against Obama for US senate in 2004.


The court ignored this claim in much the same way that it ignored the financial damages I suffered the last time I went on a weekend bender in Las Vegas. If I hadn’t had that terrible night at the craps table, I’d own a yacht now. And if I had a yacht, I probably would have discovered sunken treasure and I’d be a gazillionaire. Obama should pay, I tell you. Could you add this in your next suit?

Joan D’Arc the Maid of Orly wrote:
7. The Court erred in not considering the fact that the plaintiffs and their attorney were defrauded by the federal judge who pressured the plaintiffs’ attorney to agree not to file an interlocutory appeal for default judgment, while promising on the record, that the case will be heard on the merits. Later Judge Carter refused to hear the case on the merits.


Uh, well, let’s try to look at this another way. At the time you think you heard Judge Carter promise you a pony and a trial on the merits, the Defense hadn’t filed their preliminary motions or their answer. Are you telling me that it would have been fair for Judge Carter to promise you that, whatever motions the Defendants filed, he was guaranteeing you he’d deny them? Sight unseen? Golly, how would you feel if a judge did that to you? (Remember the Golden Rule!)

Only Orly wrote:
8. The Court erred in not considering the fact, that an attorney for the defense firm was placed as an attorney law clerk for the presiding judge.


The defense firm? Say what? I would have sworn that the “defense firm” in this case was the U.S. Justice Department.

Konstitutional Kommentator Orly wrote:
10. Court erred in not considering the precedent of State ex rel. Sathre v. Moodie (N.D. 1935) 65 N.D. 340, 258 N.W. 558, in which the court held that the sitting Governor’s failure to have lived in the state for the required five years prior to the election served as a “legal disability” preventing him from holding the office. The court stated, “When the framers of the Constitution used the language which we are here considering, they intended to include legal as well as physical or mental disabilities, and did not exclude disabilities existing prior to election.


I gotta admit you got me there, Orly. This is powerful precedent to have Governor Obama removed from office in North Dakota. But what makes you think a Federal court is obligated to give deference to a North Dakota state case, especially as “precedent”? And, isn’t the “constitution” they mention actually the N.D. state constitution?

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Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?


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Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?
Not a U.S. citizen at all. Phil Berg had a whole lawsuit about this, the qui tam.

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Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?
Not a U.S. citizen at all. Phil Berg had a whole lawsuit about this, the super-sekrit qui tam.


FIFY :P

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Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?


Because his whole life is a fraud from birth until now. Otherwise, he would have had to steal someone else's birth certificate number and SS#'s. And who knows what his real legal name and citizenship is. What better proof that having a BC printed on green safety paper and it does not have the white space copied on it as well? We haven't seen his naturalization papers or his kindergarten report cards either.

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Myron wrote:
Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?


Orly has not seen the naturalization papers either. So Obama must be an illegal alien.

That makes nr 6 even gemmier, of course. Another case, wrong jurisdiction and a completely different legal argument. But Orlylaw allows it.

The Maid of Orlyans mistakenly attacking the Burgundians rather than the English. Which state will turn out to be her Compiègne? :twisted:

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Myron wrote:
Just for the sake of argument, how is Obama ineligible to be a Senator?


Because his whole life is a fraud from birth until now. Otherwise, he would have had to steal someone else's birth certificate number and SS#'s. And who knows what his real legal name and citizenship is. What better proof that having a BC printed on green safety paper and it does not have the white space copied on it as well? We haven't seen his naturalization papers or his kindergarten report cards either.


It's President Obama's fault.

All he has to do is show his library card to end this madness. Who wants a president who won't even show his library card, and spends millions to hide it?

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The Maid of Orlyans mistakenly attacking the Burgundians rather than the English. Which state will turn out to be her Compiègne? :twisted:


:-bd I like that much better.

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Orly will still be gnashing her beak and attempting to file writs of mandingo to be getting all actions of userperator retrovirusly kicked-out-uhpated in 2025. (should she live that long)

not a death threat...but have you checked the actuarial tables for a 50 year old ex-soviet broad with tarantula eyes and anger issues?

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Orly's new petition contains this gem on p. 6:

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6. The Court erred in completely disregarding financial damages to Plaintiff Presidential candidate Keyes, who also ran against Obama for US senate in 2004. Keyes and Obama were top finishers in the senatorial election. If it is found that Obama indeed committed fraud, than Keyes has unique damages in the form of salary and lifetime benefits of a U.S. Senator.


:lol: :lol:


Uh.... I didn't think NBCship was required for the Senate, so none of their "he's not an NBC" arguments would apply to his Senatorial career, right? So then why the hell does Keyes think that he was somehow hurt by Obama, except in that he lost the Senate race - FAIRLY. :roll:

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