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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:41 am 
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Yep, it's all out in the air again:

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Yesterday, presidential hopeful Ron Paul had an exchange with CNN's Gloria Borger (I believe the go-to descriptor we're using these days is "testy") in which the Texas Congressman, weary of answering questions about the newsletters filled with racist/homophobic/xenophobic goulash that were published in his name many years ago (content Paul has, at various times, denied being the author of and, at other times, denied having knowledge of)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/2 ... 65877.html

Paul is doing rather well in the polls at the moment, so naturally the media is giving him the attention... not the kind he wants though. To me I'm more concerned about his views on the SCOTUS rulings regarding Brown vs Board of education, loving vs virginia, lawrence vs texas, but yes, his explanation that he knew nothing of the newsletters ain't doing him any justice, and rightfully so. To start with, those news letters had his name on them, were written by a former congressional staffer and the same guy who sat on his exploratory committe in 1992 (inbetween the timeline of these racist newsletters), how could he not know?

This isn't new, the news letters have surfaced over the years, Paul started being quested about them as far back as 1996. What do fellow Fogbowers think? :-k

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:27 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:15 am 
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I think he was very much involved with the newsletters.

I posted some links the other day. (look in the GOP Candidates topic). One of them is to LGF, that shows the newsletters contained quotes from an obstetrician journal that wouldn't be read by non-medical people. I saw another post last night that included a pdf of a subscription solicitation letter. He warned of coming race wars and FEMA camps and such.

I don't know why he was elected to congress. But he won't be President.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:16 am 
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The media should stop lying:


CNN's edited, misleading footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... LtbXG62es#

The cut comes at 2:29. A section is missing.

Here is that missing section, at 7:25, in the uncut video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLonnC_Z ... r_embedded


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:43 am 
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This is much like the story of Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent. It published a long, vile series of articles that was later compiled into THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: THE WORLD'S FOREMOST PROBLEM. It was circulated through Ford dealerships, not on the streets of Dearborn, and may have reached a circulation of 700,000.

Ford denied writing the articles (which may have been true) and denied knowing about what appeared in the Dearborn Independent (probably a lie). His political views coincided well with what appeared in the rag: he blamed "financiers" for WW I and was a member of America First -- trying to keep the U.S. out of WW II -- until he was expelled for his too-radical views. His work was republished in Germany to great acclaim.

Ford is more remembered for having invented the automobile (which was false; he only invented a form of the assembly line). Some remember the skill with which Ford converted his plants into manufacturers of weapons of war, including the vast number of aircraft produced at the Willow Run Airport. That achievement might have saved him from being tried for treason.

His work is still available on the Web and can be read by malleable kids, conspiracy freaks, and people who need to blame their failures on other people.

Paul's newsletter is not new to the field; it also has been well-known. What is not clear is what was not clear about Ford: how much did he know, when did he know it, and what did he do when he found out? There is another question: how much has his thinking changed? There is good reason to believe that Ford's thinking never changed: he was proud of the Grand Cross of the German Eagle that Hitler awarded him. It is said that the award remained on his office wall throughout the war. Both Ford and GM were investigated for pro-Nazi activities and beliefs

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:18 am 
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Maybe Ron Paul should explain why this 1992 edition of his newsletter cites a magazine that only a professional gynecologist (like Ron Paul) would be expected to follow: Contemporary OB-GYN.


http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article ... tisemitism


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In ad for newsletter, Ron Paul forecast "race war"


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/ ... 3320111223



http://www.towleroad.com/2011/12/letter ... -aids.html


Someone took the twitter handle @RP_Newsletter and is tweeting out excerpts.

https://twitter.com/#!/RP_Newsletter


Paul owns them.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:22 am 
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Maybe Ron Paul should explain why this 1992 edition of his newsletter cites a magazine that only a professional gynecologist (like Ron Paul) would be expected to follow: Contemporary OB-GYN.


http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article ... tisemitism


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In ad for newsletter, Ron Paul forecast "race war"


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/ ... 3320111223



http://www.towleroad.com/2011/12/letter ... -aids.html


Someone took the twitter handle @RP_Newsletter and is tweeting out excerpts.

https://twitter.com/#!/RP_Newsletter


Paul owns them.



And Paul should own the Copyright...correct??? I mean like totally wow he really 'OWNS' it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:35 am 
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What's not being talked about is how this will affect Rand Paul. And I think it will.

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Wasn't all of this all kicked around in 2008? Is the opposition research that unimaginative to play reruns?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:14 pm 
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Wasn't all of this all kicked around in 2008? Is the opposition research that unimaginative to play reruns?


Yeah, but nobody thought Ron Paul would ever win.

The current GOP field is a bunch of clowns. Newt? Bachmann? Santorum?


The one who might have one toe on this side of the sanity line is the guy they don't want. It's still "Anybody But Romney".

And so the old newsletters get dug up one more time.

I'm glad they did. I didn't think there was enough exposure of them in 2008.

Look, Ron Paul makes no bones about saying he wouldn't have voted for the Civil Rights Act.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/05/ ... s_act.html

Hey... his son said the same thing. Remember the Maddow interview with Rand Paul? Then Rand Paul went into hiding, refusing to do any interviews. He got elected anyway.

Ron Paul should have to answer every question about these newsletters. And then Rand Paul. Because I don't think for a second that he wasn't somehow involved.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:01 am 
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These newsletters will obviously not make a dent in Ron Paul's support, I doubt tea partiers and the like won't give a hoofla about em'. Some may actually find Paul more favourable after these newsletters, it's no secret that Paul has strong support among white supremacists. While this may not effect the support from those GOP voters of Paul, it will affect their confidence in his chances. There's a difference between having the support needed, and then having the confidence of the voters in the end. These news letters coupled with Ron's Foreign policy will be a challange for him to gain even enough support to compete with Romney.

We'll see in the Iowa caucus though. I do think Paul is a racist, but mainly because of his support for States rights over Jim crow laws.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:54 am 
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There's a piece in the NYTimes today about Paul disavowing the newsletters, but not support from people like Don Black.

Weigel sez... What took you so long? And then he posts a passage from a piece he did with Julian Sanchez for Reason back in January, 2008.

And now he asks.

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Why has it taken four years for these public domain facts to become "news"? How did Paul slide through a year of televised debates, where his rivals were asked about their opinions of "submission" in marriage and accusations of affairs, and never get a question about this stuff? Paul's associations haven't changed in four years. His explanations haven't changed. You can see why Paul's fans might get annoyed or paranoid about this. They thought they'd litigated this stuff already, and earned a pass.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/ ... _time.html

dave also tweeted out a post Charles Johnson did back in December, 2007, where Paul accepted donation from Stormfront's Don Black.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ ... Nazis&only

I guess if Santorum ever takes the lead the msm will dig up the old news about him pretending to live in Pennsylvania so he could run, and taking $100k from the school district there so he could cyberschool his kids.

But no chance of that happening.

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On Corsi's facebook page, folks are pushing over each other to deny Paul's racism.

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On Corsi's facebook page, folks are pushing over each other to deny Paul's racism.


=)) =)) =)) It's like a Black Friday sale at Macys :lol:

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This article by a former staff member for Ron Paul, Eric Dondero, is worth reading. It probably helps Paul among some of the RWNJ but arguably shows that Paul is not consistently Libertarian. The creepy influence of Lew Rockwell may account for that.

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