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I grew up in Milwaukee and I remember learning about Wisconsin's proud history of good government and progressivism, led by fightin' Bob La Follette in the early 1900s. The Republicans of that era would be very displeased by today's Republican leaders in WI. :(


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Wisconsin Democrats made a big announcement Thursday afternoon: That after 30 days, they have collected 507,000 signaturesin their effort to trigger a recall campaign against Republican Gov. Scott Walker. This puts them almost at the goal of 540,000 signatures, at the halfway point of the 60-day petition period — and, they announced, they intend to go much, much further.

“The people of Wisconsin have said, enough is enough,” state party chairman Mike Tate said in a live Webcast. “In just one month, in just 30 days, in less than half the time granted, you have done something truly amazing.” Tate also announced a higher goal of 720,000, which would give the Dems a buffer putting them well beyond any efforts at disqualification or public discrediting by their opponents.


It's not a moment too late, either. That scumbag, as if completely unaware that he's already crossed the line, is trying to kill women from breast and cervical cancer by cutting off funding for screening. In what universe do the policies of these insane scum make sense?

Scott Walker Kills Women's Cancer Screening Program For Political Gain

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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has set his sights on ending the availability of cervical and breast cancer screening —along with multiple sclerosis detection— for Wisconsin women who have insufficient health insurance to pay for these critical procedures.

It’s not about money or budgets or unions or any of the usual ideologically driven nonsense we’ve come to expect from Scott Walker. This time, it’s just all about politics.

The screening service, which goes by the name of the Wisconsin Well Woman Program and is administered by the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, contracts with various screening providers throughout the state on a county-by-county basis. Among those who provide these critical services to women between the ages of 45 and 64 is Planned Parenthood.

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I love this comment.
"The decision of one individual who chooses to sign a recall petition should not carry more weight than the decision of another who chooses not to sign," said Stephan Thompson, executive director of the state Republican Party and a plaintiff in the case.


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I love this comment.
"The decision of one individual who chooses to sign a recall petition should not carry more weight than the decision of another who chooses not to sign," said Stephan Thompson, executive director of the state Republican Party and a plaintiff in the case.

What the hell does that mean?! Isn't the whole idea of signature thresholds on any petition that for every person that signs there's X more that agree and didn't sign/didn't have an opportunity to sign/would support a measure on the ballot? That the number of signatures required constitutes a representative/ meaningful sample of the total? Is Thompson that dumb or is he assuming other people are that dumb? They are running scared. The very reason Kasich wanted to make a deal on SB5 before election day was the number of signatures gathered showed he was going to take an ass-whipping on election day. That stunning defeat overshadows every thing that's happened under his governorship that he could tout as a success.


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I love this comment.
"The decision of one individual who chooses to sign a recall petition should not carry more weight than the decision of another who chooses not to sign," said Stephan Thompson, executive director of the state Republican Party and a plaintiff in the case.

What the hell does that mean?! Isn't the whole idea of signature thresholds on any petition that for every person that signs there's X more that agree and didn't sign/didn't have an opportunity to sign/would support a measure on the ballot? That the number of signatures required constitutes a representative/ meaningful sample of the total? Is Thompson that dumb or is he assuming other people are that dumb? They are running scared. The very reason Kasich wanted to make a deal on SB5 before election day was the number of signatures gathered showed he was going to take an ass-whipping on election day. That stunning defeat overshadows every thing that's happened under his governorship that he could tout as a success.


The petition is only to get the proposition on the ballot. That's when his choice has equal weight will everyone else who chooses to vote. And that is what decides the outcome.

He's just whining about being a victim of the democratic process and prefers one with dictators and henchmen.

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Among those who provide these critical services to women between the ages of 45 and 64 is Planned Parenthood.


As I have pointed out before, PP does so much more than abortions which are only 3% of their budget.

At the hospital I worked at, most of our Medi-Cal babies went to PP for their well-baby checkups and in Santa Cruz PP is the primary care practitioner for some elderly and disabled people.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/healthcare/ci_11745659

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/healthcare/ci_11755118

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kimba wrote:
dbear wrote:
I love this comment.
"The decision of one individual who chooses to sign a recall petition should not carry more weight than the decision of another who chooses not to sign," said Stephan Thompson, executive director of the state Republican Party and a plaintiff in the case.

What the hell does that mean?!


It's like the thousands of women Herman Cain didn't harass, that should outweigh the claims of the ones he did.

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As I have pointed out before, PP does so much more than abortions which are only 3% of their budget.

At the hospital I worked at, most of our Medi-Cal babies went to PP for their well-baby checkups and in Santa Cruz PP is the primary care practitioner for some elderly and disabled people.

It was when United Way "reclassified" Planned Parenthood that I stopped giving to my several universities' United Way campaigns, even though some UW money does go to PP.

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Question to the lawyers. Gov. Walker is suing in state court but the suit says it violates his 14 admendment rights. Wouldn't that be something for the federal courts to decide?


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Question to the lawyers. Gov. Walker is suing in state court but the suit says it violates his 14 admendment rights. Wouldn't that be something for the federal courts to decide?


Unlike federal courts, state courts are courts of general jurisdiction and can enforce federal law (except criminal law), including Constitutional civil rights. Many states have analogues to the federal civil rights statute 42 U.S.C. § 1983 that protect the same ground as the federal statute (violations of the U.S. Constitution) and also cover violations of guarantees of state constitutional rights. When a case is generally based on federal law, however, the defendant may remove to federal court based on a federal question. I doubt, though, that a state agency would prefer a federal court to decide its powers.

State courts may even give broader protection under the U.S. Constitution to their citizens than recognized under federal case law, although they may not give less protection. Often, if they don't wish to see SCOTUS get its grubby little mitts on their case, they will ground it in independent state law, even if that state law is a constitutional provision using identical wording to that of the federal constitution. Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032 (1983) (establishing "adequate and independent state ground" doctrine).

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It's not a moment too late, either. That scumbag, as if completely unaware that he's already crossed the line, is trying to kill women from breast and cervical cancer by cutting off funding for screening. In what universe do the policies of these insane scum make sense?

Scott Walker Kills Women's Cancer Screening Program For Political Gain

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Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has set his sights on ending the availability of cervical and breast cancer screening —along with multiple sclerosis detection— for Wisconsin women who have insufficient health insurance to pay for these critical procedures.

It’s not about money or budgets or unions or any of the usual ideologically driven nonsense we’ve come to expect from Scott Walker. This time, it’s just all about politics.

The screening service, which goes by the name of the Wisconsin Well Woman Program and is administered by the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, contracts with various screening providers throughout the state on a county-by-county basis. Among those who provide these critical services to women between the ages of 45 and 64 is Planned Parenthood.


But, but, he's just trying to balance the budget. It isn't like he is targeting women, children, the old, the ill, the underpaid or the undereducated.

Oh. Wait. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

There are times when I wish that I believed in hell. I would really like to think that Scott Walker and the Kock brothers are going there together (making hell even more hellish).

I want Walker out of office. I don't Wisconsin taxpayers paying for his health care plan anymore. If I were really ebil, I would wish that he would be recalled, lose his health insurance (and not be able to replace it) and then get a doG-awful disease that would show him how vulnerable most Americans are. But I not that ebil ... yet.

I remain utterly stunned by moves like this. PP saves American taxpayers tons of money. They do so my providing contraception and, occasionally, terminating pregnancies. Taxpayers end up paying for fewer children on welfare and medicaid. Screening services save taxpayers money. When cancer is caught early, treatment can be relatively basic and for those with insurance, affordable. A women can go from having a lump removed with early detection to having a double mastectomy with chemo, radiation, hospitalization, etc to treat more advanced breast cancer. What happens when someone gets cancer now? They claim bankruptcy (what choice do they have?) and, if they are uninsured, they qualify for medicaid (at some point into their treatment ... varies based on situation) and possibly soc sec disability if under the age of 65.

One doesn't need to be a math wiz to get this. The issue isn't money. The issue is social darwinism.

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These clinics also prevent nearly a million unintended pregnancies every year, thus reducing the need for abortion. And family planning also saves the government money — about $3.74 for every dollar invested.


The Affordable Care Act will make mammograms co-pay free.

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OMG, I know this is not exactly an appropriate thing to do but……

=)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

“Scott Walker Recall Supporter Puts Up “Recall The Kochsucker” Sign Outside Her Motel”

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Walker on the Koch Call: "It was stupid"

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In an interview last Friday with the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, Gov. Scott Walker (R) gave perhaps his most blunt show of contrition yet for the mega-gaffe that could haunt him in the coming recall: His 20-minute phone call in February, at the height of the protests against his anti-public employee union legislation, with a blogger posing as conservative financier David Koch.

The interviewer said that a friend of Walker’s has said that the “Koch” call was the only time he saw Walker rattled, to have done something so “stupid.”


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One doesn't need to be a math wiz to get this. The issue isn't money. The issue is social darwinism.

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These clinics also prevent nearly a million unintended pregnancies every year, thus reducing the need for abortion. And family planning also saves the government money — about $3.74 for every dollar invested.

[sarc]"Those people" would not need contraception or abortion if they would only be abstinent. Instead, they breed like rabbits. Perhaps it is time for involuntary sterilization again?[/sarc]

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There were a total of 1,823 people on record who were sterilized (Paul, p. 546). Of those whom were sterilized, 79% were women and 99.5% were deemed mentally deficient. Wisconsin was 11th in the nation for the total number of sterilizations performed.
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Passage of Law(s)

On July 30, 1913 (Dowbiggin, p. 126), Governor Francis McGovern [R] of Wisconsin enacted Chapter 693 (Lombardo, p. 47), a statute empowering the state to sterilize inmates of both mental and penal institutions (Painter) and to require the presentation of a medical certificate when applying for a marriage license (Laughlin, p. 345; “Health-Marriage and Sterilization Acts”). Wisconsin was the 12th state to pass a sterilization law in the United States. In 1955 the legislature eliminated epileptics from the law (Paul, p. 547). Involuntary sterilization remained legal until July 1978, when Chapter 428 of the Laws of 1977 outlawed the procedure (Goc, p. 41). Today, voluntary sterilization in Wisconsin is legal and does not require spousal consent. Doctors often refuse to sterilize persons below a certain age or with few children and there is strict opposition to the procedure in some hospitals (Lucey, p. 46).
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Groups Targeted and Victimized

Although the law specifically listed several groups for sterilizations (Painter), those who were targeted in practice were primarily “feebleminded” because they were actually at risk of procreating. However, severely disabled persons were more likely to be institutionalized with long term care for their entire lives and therefore were less considered for sterilizations, particularly because they were less likely to reproduce. Thus, a target was placed on those with lower levels of disability. Furthermore, sexually promiscuous people would be most likely to reproduce and therefore would be targeted the most (Paul, p. 548). Because of the nature in which society and legislators viewed promiscuity, women were more likely to be labeled as such than men and the impoverished lower class was more likely to be targeted than the middle and upper classes (Paul, p. 546).

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Poll: Barrett Leads Potential Democratic Primary In Walker Recall

With Wisconsin Democrats set to turn in a mountain of petitions to trigger a recall against Gov. Scott Walker, a new survey from Public Policy Polling (D) shows that Walker’s Democratic opponent in the 2010 election, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, would start out as the favorite in the Democratic primary if he were to seek a rematch.

In a two way-race, Barrett leads former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk by 46%-27%, and he would also lead former Congressman David Obey by 42%-30%. Obey leads Falk by 43%-28%. In a more wide-open race, Barrett has 26%, Falk 22%, Obey 21%, and state Sen. Tim Cullen (who has already said he will run, but is less known) has 11%.

Recalls in Wisconsin do not feature any direct up-or-down vote on the incumbent, but instead effectively take the form of a special election with the incumbent and a challenger fighting it out to serve the rest of the term. In the 2010 Republican wave, Walker defeated Barrett by a 52%-47% margin.

The survey of likely Democratic primary voters was conducted on Monday, January 16, and has a ±4.3% margin of error.

Interestingly, among likely voters in a Democratic primary, only 59% were self-identified Democrats — 30% were independents, and 11% Republicans.

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I understand they're turning in the petitions for recall vote today. A million signatures. Really. A million.

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That is 46% of the number of people who voted in the 2010 election. However, that is the same percentage of votes that Tom Barrett got, so it's hard to say how he would do. The question is, of those million plus petitioners, how many of them didn't vote for Barrett in 2010 and are likely to vote for him this time?


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That is 46% of the number of people who voted in the 2010 election. However, that is the same percentage of votes that Tom Barrett got, so it's hard to say how he would do. The question is, of those million plus petitioners, how many of them didn't vote for Barrett in 2010 and are likely to vote for him this time?


I think the issue is more how many people just sort of shuffled off to vote for Walker who won't make the effort to show up at a special recall election. I think it's a pretty good bet that the population of people who actually signed a recall petition are very likely to show up and vote against Walker. The question is really how many Walker supporters are still pumped enough to show up to reaffirm the guy.

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That is 46% of the number of people who voted in the 2010 election. However, that is the same percentage of votes that Tom Barrett got, so it's hard to say how he would do. The question is, of those million plus petitioners, how many of them didn't vote for Barrett in 2010 and are likely to vote for him this time?


I think the issue is more how many people just sort of shuffled off to vote for Walker who won't make the effort to show up at a special recall election. I think it's a pretty good bet that the population of people who actually signed a recall petition are very likely to show up and vote against Walker. The question is really how many Walker supporters are still pumped enough to show up to reaffirm the guy.


I think this is exactly the point--recall elections are all about turnout. The big question in my mind is will the Kochs bankroll him big-time or will they throw him under the bus. I think, in terms of his value as a political asset, Gov. Walker is a sunk cost that likely has little further value, but the super-PACs may see it differently...

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I understand they're turning in the petitions for recall vote today. A million signatures. Really. A million.

Paging Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman. I say pay attention son, this is for your own good.


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We ran a successful repeal of SB5 here in Ohio, so I am wishing our brethren in WI luck in their recall efforts.


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I understand they're turning in the petitions for recall vote today. A million signatures. Really. A million.

Paging Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman. I say pay attention son, this is for your own good.


Apologies to The Rooster. Sorry, I couldn't resist


Maddow is gonna report on it tonight. She posted some pix of the signature delivery. Here's one.



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Organizers behind the recall of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker collected 1 million signatures to be submitted to the state’s Government Accountability Board on Tuesday, dwarfing the required number of names and virtually ensuring that a recall election will take place later this year.

A total of 540,208 valid signatures, or 25 percent of all of the votes cast in the election that put Walker in office last January, were needed to force a recall election, but organizers had aimed for hundreds of thousands more than the minimum requirement to ensure they met the threshold even if some signatures are disqualified.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party was quick to dub the recall effort — which also targeted Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch and a handful of Republican state legislators — the “biggest” in American history and boasted that organizers had gathered a whopping 460,000 extra signatures for the recall of Walker, who infuriated many in his state last year by pushing through a law that ended most collective bargaining rights for many public workers.

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Tate dismissed the criticism to POLITICO, saying the fact that Democrats have “more than one candidate” in mind is actually indicative of Walker’s weakness.

“There are a couple of good Democrats that I know are taking a look at this race, and this is indicative of how weak Scott Walker is that we may have more than one strong candidate,” he said. “This is tremendously significant — it’s something that’s never happened before in Wisconsin history. It is a very high bar to hold a recall election.”


Walker and Kleefisch should be pretty damn worried right now. 6 months is almost nothing when it comes to political campaigns.

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