US Senate: Hawaii

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:52 pm

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Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle announced on Tuesday morning she is running for the U.S. Senate.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/29450889/detail.html
This will be a campaign for an open seat (Sen Daniel Akaka is retiring). The Democratic nominee needs to remember what can happen when a candidate takes the voters for granted (Massachusetts in 2010).

bob · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:07 pm

Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

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Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle announced on Tuesday morning she is running for the U.S. Senate.

Lingle can kiss the birther vote goodbye. Both of them.

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23523

bob wrote:

Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

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Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle announced on Tuesday morning she is running for the U.S. Senate.

Lingle can kiss the birther vote goodbye. Both of them.

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:33 pm

Another Jewish woman in the Senate?

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:09 pm

She might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:46 pm

Mikedunford wrote:

She might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

These poll results from Public Policy Polling and The Honolulu Star Advertiser are not very recent (the latest is from October) but they agree with Mikedunford's comment regarding former Gov Linda Lingle's chances for election to the Senate.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... _race.html

bob · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:54 pm

Mikedunford wrote:

She might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

No way; Lingle will of course lose the primary to John Carroll, plaintiff's attorney in Wolf v. Fuddy.

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:02 am

Mikedunford wrote:

She [Linda Lingle] might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

Ed Case needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hawaii Reporter wrote:

Case, who calls this U.S. Senate race, Hawaii's most important election in a generation, maintains if [Mazie] Hirono wins the Democratic primary, former GOP Gov. Linda Lingle will beat Hirono in the November general election.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/former-co ... at-her/123
The Real Clear Politics poll results listed above are still the most recent I've seen and they don't substaniate Case's claim. Case can claim he is more popular with Hawaii Republicans than Hirono for whatever that's worth.

Public Policy Polling wrote:

Ed Case is significantly more popular (46/30 fav) with Republicans and independents then Mazie Hirono (23/59 fav) is.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main ... ns-up.html

I'm hoping Mikedunford will comment on this post.

No Pilikia · **Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:45 am

I can't fill the shoes of Mikedunford but I'll add my $0.02 on this. I don't see a Lingle win under any scenario.

Ed Case committed a crime that's unforgivable to the kama'aina culture here. He was disloyal when he ran against Dan Akaka. Granted, folks whispered how Akaka was old & ineffective but Case was too proud when he didn't just wait for his "turn" & stay in the House until Akaka agreed to retire. It was suicide for Case to challenge Akaka when he did. I had to laugh when I read the link, seeing how he's sunk to granting serious interviews to Hawaii Reporter - a "news" source that might represent 20% of the population here? [Seeing the ad for KHVH's blowhard Rick Hamada @ that site? =))

] But if GOP crossover voters make Case the Dem candidate, guess what? Plenty folks like me will hold our nose & vote for him anyway if our other choice is Lingle.

I'm a registered Dem who's a moderate & have voted for Republicans sometime over the years. I worked for the state under the Cayetano administration in the 90's & wasn't happy with some of what I saw. There are times when the old-boy network of our one-party state needs a shake-up & Lingle provided that. I voted for her twice for an executive position, even though I didn't agree with her philosophy sometimes. She'd been a good mayor for Maui County. But will I send her to a legislative body like the US Senate, to cast votes on my behalf? No possible way.

If I turn out to be wrong, I guess I'm losing touch in my older age. I know demographics are changing here with increased Mainland folks coming in but in 2011/2012 I still believe that the majority here still continues hold to the idiosyncrasies of Asian/Pacific cultures. And that means it will be many years before Hawaii has a GOP US Senator. IMHO

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:44 am

Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

Mikedunford wrote:

She [Linda Lingle] might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

Ed Case needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hawaii Reporter wrote:

Case, who calls this U.S. Senate race, Hawaii's most important election in a generation, maintains if [Mazie] Hirono wins the Democratic primary, former GOP Gov. Linda Lingle will beat Hirono in the November general election.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/former-co ... at-her/123
The Real Clear Politics poll results listed above are still the most recent I've seen and they don't substaniate Case's claim. Case can claim he is more popular with Hawaii Republicans than Hirono for whatever that's worth.

Public Policy Polling wrote:

Ed Case is significantly more popular (46/30 fav) with Republicans and independents then Mazie Hirono (23/59 fav) is.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main ... ns-up.html

I'm hoping Mikedunford will comment on this post.

I would have commented on the post from last week, had I seen it. Unfortunately, it slipped my notice.

In terms of the rest of the substance, No Pilikia is much better equipped to comment knowledgably that I am. Even if you add the six years I lived here previously to my total this latest move, I'm still very much a newcomer.

For what it's worth, what No says about Case fits very well with everything I've seen. I was here when he ran against Akaka, and heard more than one person say that Case needed to "wait his turn". I'm not quite as confident of Case's ability to pull in votes from unenthused democrats, but at least part of that is because I'm not as certain about my own ability to hold my nose and vote for the man. Overall, I'd still say that my gut tells me that Lingle has a slim chance against Case, but none at all against Hirono.

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:45 am

My apologies No Pilikia for not including you along with Mikedunford. :oops:

No Pilikia · **Posted:** Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:11 am

No apology needed Joseph. As we say here when settling something, "No Pilikia."

Joseph Robidoux III · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:25 pm

Interesting results from a Honolulu Civil Beat/MRG poll. Ed Case leads Mazie Hirono 41-39 in a race between the two Democrats plus Republican Linda Lingle trails both Case (46-33) and Hirono (46-39).
http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2012/ ... andidates/
The following link includes this and earlier poll results.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... _race.html

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:30 pm

Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

Interesting results from a Honolulu Civil Beat/MRG poll. Ed Case leads Mazie Hirono 41-39 in a race between the two Democrats plus Republican Linda Lingle trails both Case (46-33) and Hirono (46-39).
http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2012/ ... andidates/
The following link includes this and earlier poll results.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... _race.html

For what it's worth, I don't think the race has really started to heat up yet. I haven't seen large numbers of yard signs, and I don't think I've heard a single radio ad yet.

June bug · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:56 pm

Mikedunford wrote:

Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

Interesting results from a Honolulu Civil Beat/MRG poll. Ed Case leads Mazie Hirono 41-39 in a race between the two Democrats plus Republican Linda Lingle trails both Case (46-33) and Hirono (46-39).
http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2012/ ... andidates/
The following link includes this and earlier poll results.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... _race.html

For what it's worth, I don't think the race has really started to heat up yet. I haven't seen large numbers of yard signs, and I don't think I've heard a single radio ad yet.

Case has a TV ad up.

As to the rest, I'm not so sure that Lingle can be ruled out no matter which opponent she faces. She will have a ton of money (she's a prolific fundraiser and the national Repubs are salivating over the possibility of electing a Repub in Hawaii). The biggest thing going against her is that she made a number of missteps during her second term and was very unpopular when she stepped down. That said, Abercrombie is at least as unpopular now. There is also at least something of a resurgence of the right following some bitterly fought losses, such as civil unions (which Lingle vetoed and Abercrombie signed). So the question is, how well will Hawaii voters remember why they don't like Linda Lingle vs. how strong will an organized, well-funded right leaning campaign be?

Adelante · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:03 pm

Talking Points Memo

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Poll: Democrat Hirono Has Big Lead In Hawaii Senate Race

A new survey from Hawaii-based pollster Ward Research gives Democratic Rep. Mazie Hirono a pair of big leads in both the primary and general elections for this state's open-seat race.

In the Democratic primary, Hirono leads former Rep. Ed Case by 56%-36%. In the general election, she leads Republican former Gov. Linda Lingle by 57%-37%.

It should be noted that back in 2002, Lingle was first elected governor by a 52%-47% margin, defeating then-Lt. Gov. Mazie Hirono, to become the state's first Republican governor since the early 1960's. She was easily re-elected by a landslide in 2006. But in this heavily Democratic state, it could prove to be more difficult for even a well-known Republican to win federal office.

No Pilikia · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:14 am

Not only is Hirono way ahead, but Lingle's latest commercial is laughable & made me do a double-take the first few times I heard it. In other states where the US Chamber of Commerce carpetbaggers are funding ads they go after Obama & blame him for the nation's problems. Here in his home state they know that won't work so the ad, which focuses on tourism promotion, describes the GOP candidate thus: "A bipartisan leader, Governor Lingle is also pledged to support President Obama's plan. She knows that America will recover only when Democrats & Republicans work together." :lol:

Nice try Linda, but I wouldn't be looking for a place in DC just yet. :roll:

The Lingle ad is among others linked in this TPM article
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... -races.php

June bug · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:44 pm

Oh yes, I loved this Lingle commercial, NP. I was particularly impressed with her detailed plans for tourism promotion, weren't you? [/snark]
:mrgreen:

No Pilikia · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 3:43 am

cross posting from GOP candidates thread

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Rachel Maddow had an entertaining piece tonight about how the Ron Paul supporters disrupted the OK GOP primary, including assaults by 70 year old ladies. I hope we'll see more of this . I'll even dream that we'll see the outrage of Paul's supporters turn into 3rd party votes, as seen when Ross Perot couldn't be squelched years ago . But I won't hold my breath.

Here in the Aloha State the Republicans got along a little better, but whining by one of our local Birthers & Orly supporters, John Carroll, gave me a

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U.S. Senate hopeful Lingle calls for unity
By B.J. Reyes
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, May 13, 2012

~~<p>Speaking of the need for bipartisanship on Capitol Hill and the need for Republican representation for Hawaii if both houses of Congress go to the GOP this fall, former Gov. Linda Lingle urged party faithful to support her campaign for the U.S. Senate and help overcome the Democratic Party's stronghold in the islands.</p>
<p>Lingle preached a message of unity as she helped rally party members Saturday at the Hawaii Republican Party state convention.</p>

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Lingle is in the GOP primary against former state lawmaker and retired Air Force pilot John Carroll, who said he did not attend the morning session out of protest because he was told he would not receive equal stage time as Lingle, who spoke for about 20 minutes.

"I just see a tremendous bias here, particularly against me," Carroll said. "She has had 16 years to make whatever kind of changes she wants. … I just think for the party to exclude me from even being able to say anything other than ‘Hi, I'm John Carroll,' is just plain bull."

Looks like Carroll & Orly might want to whine together about how the GOP establishment won't give them the love & respect they're due.

No Pilikia · **Posted:** Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:23 am

Case concedes to Hirono. Mazie Hirono 58% in early print-outs, Case 41%. Lingle doesn't have a chance in November.

borealis · **Posted:** Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:24 pm

I have to wonder whether or not the CCCP idiots and Corsi sunk this boat.

ObjectiveDoubter · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:11 am

Mike,

In between classes, I hope you will handicap this race for us.

P.S. Linda Lingle, an original Valley Girl -- graduate of Birmingham High, Van Nuys and CSUN (Cal State Northridge, then known as Valley State). A pro-choice GOP.

kate520 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:19 am

Congrats, No Pilikia. I know you've been predicting this outcome for a while now. :-bd

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:13 pm

bob wrote:

Mikedunford wrote:

She might actually have a chance, especially if the Democratic nominee winds up being Ed Case.

No way; Lingle will of course lose the primary to John Carroll, plaintiff's attorney in Wolf v. Fuddy.

It was a real squeaker, but she did manage to beat Carroll. (I believe he got 6%.)

Adelante · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:18 pm

Political Wire

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Hirono Holds Big Lead in Hawaii

A new Civil Beat poll in Hawaii finds Mazie Hirono (D) way ahead of Linda Lingle (R) in the U.S. Senate race, 55% to 39%.

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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