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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:43 am 
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Might we eventually get a clear ruling on eligibilty? :lol: (Please move this to whatever forum is appropriate, if it doesn't belong here.)

There's a lawsuit filed in Colorado. . .
http://blogs.denverpost.com/crime/2011/12/01/a-birther-debate-with-a-twist-hits-colorado/2997/
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Abdul Hassan was not born in the United States. He will tell you he was not born in the United States. There is no controversy about whether he meets the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that U.S. presidents must have been born in the United States.

He still thinks he should be able to become president.

In a lawsuit (PDF) filed this week in federal court in Denver, Hassan is challenging the denial of a spot on Colorado’s 2012 ballot. Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler denied Hassan, a New Yorker who has been running for president since 2008, a place on the ballot because Hassan was not born in the United States. Hassan was born in Guyana and has since become a United States citizen.

The U.S. Constitution requires U.S. presidents to be “natural-born citizens,” which is most commonly interpreted as requiring that presidents have been born in the U.S.. Hassan, who has filed similar lawsuits across the country, isn’t challenging the definition of natural-born citizen. Instead, he’s making a much more novel argument: That the entire constitutional eligibility provision is itself unconstitutional. . .


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:00 am 
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Might we eventually get a clear ruling on eligibilty?

Maybe, but not here. Hassan is clearly ineligible. Nothing can be done for him without amending the constitution. However, he is the like birthers in that his remedy is in the legislature, not the courts.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:19 am 
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The Constitution is unconstitutional? That's borderline Teabagger reasoning.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:00 pm 
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The Constitution is unconstitutional? That's borderline Teabagger reasoning.

Yeah I've heard this crap before. When Joe Wilson said you lie during the state of the union and he ended up getting admonished by the house. The extremists tried to claim that was an infringement of the first amendment. When pointed out that the constitution specifically states that congress should make their own rules for decorum he basically said that part was unconstitutional.

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Might we eventually get a clear ruling on eligibilty?

Not with this issue. There is no debate. Hassan is a naturalized citizen. He is clearly ineligible. It would require a Constitutional amendment to change the requirement. Such measures were introduced in Congress for Kissinger and Schwartzennegger but they went nowhere.

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Hassan v. Colorado, No. 11-3116 (D. Colo. filed Nov. 30, 2011.)

"For the sake of completeness," this case ought to be followed in the event the court makes a ruling on what constitutes natural-born citizenship.

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It is a somewhat fascinating argument that will go exactly nowhere in court.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:38 pm 
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Reality Check wrote:
It is a somewhat fascinating argument that will go exactly nowhere in court.

That's my take on it, too.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:14 pm 
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Hassan v. Colorado, No. 11-3116 (D. Colo. filed Nov. 30, 2011.)

"For the sake of completeness," this case ought to be followed in the event the court makes a ruling on what constitutes natural-born citizenship.


Well, it should be mentioned, but anything beyond the fact that Hassan is a naturalized citizen and thereby clearly ineligible would be dicta. The case may be useful in defining what a "naturalized citizen" is, though, because any citizen who is not naturalized is natural born. The case is otherwise uninteresting, though, because the latter proposition would also have to be proven. There is, interestingly, no binding authority compelling that latter conclusion, although a number of constitutional scholars, including Akhil Reed Amar, believe it to be so, and no constitutional scholars contest the proposition.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:25 pm 
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I don't know why the court would waste its time saying anything more than Hassan is not a natural born citizen.

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The court will most likely rule that Hassan concedes he is a not natural-born citizen, the 14th Amendment did not nullify the natural-born citizenship clause, and therefore Hassan has failed to state a claim.

Still, worth monitoring. (And may I request the original post's header be edited to conform to the TFBMOS&S*, i.e., Hassan v. Colorado (D. Colo.).)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:50 pm 
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U.S. District Court
District of Colorado (Denver)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:11-cv-03116-WJM-MJW

Hassan v. State of Colorado, The et al
Assigned to: Judge William J. Martinez
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Michael J. Watanabe
Cause: 28:1331 Federal Question: Other Civil Rights
Date Filed: 11/30/2011
Jury Demand: None
Nature of Suit: 950 Constitutional - State Statute
Jurisdiction: Federal Question

Plaintiff

Abdul Karim Hassan represented by Abdul Karim Hassan
215-28 Hillside Avenue
Queens Village, NY 11427
718-740-1000
PRO SE

V.

Defendant

State of Colorado, The
Defendant
Scott Gessler
In his official capacity as Secretary of the State of Colorado

Date Filed # Docket Text

11/30/2011 1 COMPLAINT for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief against Scott Gessler, State of Colorado, The (Filing fee $ 350, Receipt Number 43432) Summons Issued, filed by Abdul Karim Hassan. (Attachments: # 1 Civil Cover Sheet, # 2 Receipt)(lyg, ) (Entered: 12/01/2011)

12/02/2011 2 ORDER REFERRING CASE to Magistrate Judge Michael J. Watanabe. Magistrate Judge Watanabe is designated to conduct ALLMTN proceedings pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 636(b)(1)(A) and (B) and Fed.R.Civ.P. 72(a) and (b). ALSO ORDERED that unless service has otherwise been completed or arranged, Plaintiff is directed to effect service of the summons and complaint pursuant to Rule 4 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure no later than 30 days from the date of this Referral Order, in order for the initial scheduling conference to be held promptly. SO ORDERED by Judge William J. Martinez on 12/02/2011. Text Only Entry (wjmsec, ) (Entered: 12/02/2011)


Does that work for ya bob?

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Meh. I changed the headline twice. Everyone's a critic.

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The court will most likely rule that Hassan concedes he is a not natural-born citizen, the 14th Amendment did not nullify the natural-born citizenship clause, and therefore Hassan has failed to state a claim.


That strikes me as the inevitable result. It might mention that the 14th Amendment overruled or abrogated the erroneous ruling in Scott v. Sandford that mangled the original meaning of United States citizenship, but more likely, it will simply note that whatever the 14th did, it did not make naturalized citizens eligible for the Presidency.

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Assigned to: Judge William J. Martinez

Get ready for some birther tears!:
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William J. Martínez

Appointed by: Barack Obama
Born: Mexico City, Mexico
Alma mater:
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (B.A./B.S.)
University of Chicago Law School (J.D.)

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Where's my double-double?

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bob wrote:
Get ready for some birther tears!:
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William J. Martínez

Appointed by: Barack Obama
Born: Mexico City, Mexico
Alma mater:
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (B.A./B.S.)
University of Chicago Law School (J.D.)



Anyone check the dates -- might he have studied Con Law at the feet of the Usurper-in-Chief himself?

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Is there any significant US history of Ineligible candidates succesfully standing as part of a campaign to change eligiblity rules. In the case of the UK parliament there are several examples -

Daniel O'Connell (Catholic);
Lionel de Rothschild (Jewish)
Charles Bradlaugh (Athiest)
Tony Benn (Reluctant Heritary Peer)

were all succesful in elections when ineligible and in at least the first cases it directly led to changes in the law (the law changed in the fourth case too, but there was an additional factor there.)

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Anyone check the dates -- might he have studied Con Law at the feet of the Usurper-in-Chief himself?

Martinez was born in 1954, and earned his J.D. in 1980. Obama was studying at Oxy.

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bob wrote:
MaineSkeptic wrote:
Anyone check the dates -- might he have studied Con Law at the feet of the Usurper-in-Chief himself?

Martinez was born in 1954, and earned his J.D. in 1980. Obama was studying at Oxy.


Oh well. Nice thought anyway!

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OMG, please let Orly try and inject her brand of insanity into this case! I will drive to Denver for that freak show.

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OMG, please let Orly try and inject her brand of insanity into this case! I will drive to Denver for that freak show.

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OMG, please let Orly try and inject her brand of insanity into this case! I will drive to Denver for that freak show.

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I'm in Denver, I'd meet you at the courthouse.

Me three! However, I doubt that Orly will choose to defend a man named Hassan. :twisted:


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Me three! However, I doubt that Orly will choose to defend a man named Hassan. :twisted:


For which Mr. Hassan must be extremely thankful.

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The 10th Circuit affirmed the district court's summary judgment against Hassan.

Birthers afluttter over this:
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[A]s the magistrate judge’s opinion makes clear and we expressly reaffirm here, a state’s legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office.


WSJ: The Other Democratic Candidate

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Why are Hassan and President Obama being treated differently?

:-k

One is admittedly ineligible. The other is admittedly eligible.

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