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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:47 am 
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I call Godwin -- from the complaint --"Without the anti-majoritarian protection of theConstitution, Congress could legalize the killing of all Jews, for example, as was donein World War II Germany. Constitutional requirements are absolute, and must befollowed regardless of how popular or unpopular such requirements may be, becausethey are in place to protect the minority from the majority."

I do however, wish that this lawsuit would make it to the Supreme Court for one simple reason -- to address this comment in the lawsuit "Instead, thiscomplaint is directed towarddefining the term “natural- born citizen” under theConstitution of the United States, and toward negligence or intentionalmisrepresentations of the Democratic Party. This Complaint requests this Court toaffirmthe Supreme Court’sdefinition of “natural- born citizen” as “all children bornin a country of parents who were its citizens.” See Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162(1875)."

I believe these folks would not like the answer they would get.

BTW, why is it the birther lawyers seem incapable of proof reading their briefs? I count at least 7 typos in just these last 2 sentences I quoted. If they can't do something as simple as running spell check on these briefs, how can they expect to deal with more complex issues of law? My cats could do better than these bozos. (Too bad we can't file a class action lawsuit against "stupid".)

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Orly Taitz is nowhere to be seen. But the spirit of Phil Berg/Lisa Liberi seems to have infected the complaint:
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Ms. Schultz is not being sued in her personal or her official capacity as a Member of Congress.


It's interesting that Van Irion commands fidelity to the "natural born Citizen" clause but consistently refers to the status as "natural-born citizen." And it's all based on a specious interpretation of Minor v. Happersett, which is constantly referred to in the complaint. Where's Wong Kim Ark?

Sloppy pleading, sloppy thinking, no standing, unripe. It will soon be dismissed.

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Just FYI - I find nothing on the website for the TN Chancery Court of Shelby County what indicates the TN case posted on LLF's website has yet been filed.

I'll keep a lookout and will post when it appears.

I began a thread for the federal case in AZ.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:25 am 
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Who are these other plaintiffs? Do they have "FEC standing" like Dummett?

Why Arizona? To take advantage of that delicious "9th Circuit dicta" they keep harping on?

Maroney on Teh Facebook.

An article on foreclosure investing by Volodarsky on ATLAH's site(!).

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P&E: Liberty Legal Foundation Website Hacked
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WEBSITE HACKED AFTER ANNOUNCING MULTI-STATE LAWSUIT AGAINST OBAMA’S ELIGIBILITY

Our last email directed you to our updated site at http://www.libertylegalfoundation.com. Unfortunately, our site was hacked shortly after sending that email.

Our older site, http://www.libertylegalfoundation.net, is up and running. You can find all the information about the new class action against the Democratic Party there.

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If you would like to join the new certification class action lawsuit, log in to your profile then go to http://www.libertylegalfoundation.net/u ... ca-member/ to sign up.

The fact that our site was hacked a few hours after we sent out press releases tells us just how much our opponents fear our efforts. We will not let them slow us down. Please double your efforts to help us get the word out about the Certification Class Action lawsuit.

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The Liberty Legal Foundation lawsuits contend that Obama is ineligible to serve as president because one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen

Didn't the suit go out of its way to say that is not what it is about?

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The Liberty Legal Foundation lawsuits contend that Obama is ineligible to serve as president because one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen


Didn't the suit go out of its way to say that is not what it is about?


LLF does say that, but then they throw every birther meme that's ever been stated in to the Complaint.

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Who are these other plaintiffs? Do they have "FEC standing" like Dummett?


I think it’s all made crystal clear in Paragraph 39(2). Creg Maroney is a typical member of the class of "[a]ll persons in the United States of America who object to having a candidate that is clearly not qualified to hold the office of President appear on ballots for the office of President in the general election (the ‘Class’)."

Circular reasoning much?

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If your only tool is a hammer....

Leave it to a slip-and-fall lawyer to frame Presidential eligibility as a matter of prospective negligence -- IOW, an accident a wreck waiting to happen. He even goes so far as to suggest that the "reasonable person" test applies:

Contrarian Irion wrote:
Because Mr. Obama has admitted that his father was not a U.S. Citizen, and because this fact has been confirmed by the U.S. State Department, any reasonable person with knowledge of these facts would doubt Mr.Obama’s Constitutional qualifications. Therefore, any representation by the Democratic Party certifying said qualifications would be negligent, absent further evidence verifying Mr.Obama’s natural-born status.
=)) ](*,)

This reminds me of the old days when Orly was obsessed with the term "foreseeability" and made sure to sprinkle that word generously throughout her pleadings.

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Presidential candidate Volodarsky hasn't filed anything with the FEC.

Just sayin'!

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So when is John Dummett going to provide proof that his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth?

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bob wrote:
Presidential candidate Volodarsky hasn't filed anything with the FEC.

Just sayin'!


pfffffffft Doesn't matter.

As Mr. Van Irion stated on LLF, if there's one plaintiff with standing then they all have standing. He don't need no steeeeeeeeenkin' other candidate.

You really need to keep up with this stuff. :P

Of course, none of the plaintiffs listed have standing, but this being a konstitushonal krisis of biblical proportion and all, that just should not matter.

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bob wrote:
Who are these other plaintiffs? Do they have "FEC standing" like Dummett?


They have "perfect standing." Like Orly.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
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Who are these other plaintiffs? Do they have "FEC standing" like Dummett?


They have "perfect misunderstanding." Like Orly.


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Since DNC is a private entity they can’t hide behind the ‘no standing’ excuse. Plus the FEC registered pres candidate has ‘standing’.

However, they are asking the court to ‘confirm’ Supreme Court’s definition of “natural-born citizen” as having two parents that are BOTH U.S. citizens at time of birth. See Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). We can bet our lives that the court will simply drag its feet until it is too late, or hide behind ‘jurisdiction’ and other excuses, such as Congress has to confirm it, or supreme court has to confirm it…..

Plus the court can rule that the plaintiff will have to wait till DNC has submitted the nomination paper to a state and see if the paper ‘certifies’ obama as meeting the constitutional requirement…….(the court can’t rule on something that has not happened yet. Neither can the plaintiff use the 2008 nomination paper , because the paper DID NOT ceritify obama as meeting the constitutional requirement, except the one to the state of Hawaii!)

AND the states’ George-Soros-bought SOSs will put the o name on the ballot before anyone can say cheese or object! Then the primary rolls around, the idiots vote for o and the lawsuit is moot!

Granted any lawsuits might create more awareness, but having a well-known presidential candidate (or ALL the candidates!) challenging obama on his nbc status WILL stun the world. Where are the people who truly want to uphold the constitution? They are all too busy deciding which of the spineless establishment-endorced candidates to support to perpetuate the corrupt, constitution-destroying ‘government’!

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Just FYI - I find nothing on the website for the TN Chancery Court of Shelby County what indicates the TN case posted on LLF's website has yet been filed.

I'll keep a lookout and will post when it appears.

Please do. Look at the proposed complaint. Unlike the federal complaint, it parades all the birther memes (except for "Born in Kenya"):

1. Two citizen parents and birth in the United States required (Minor);
2. Dual citizenship precludes natural-born citizenship;
3. Dual U.S./Indonesian citizenship (and a hint of loss of U.S. citizenship);
4. Travel ban to Pakistan;
5. Fulbright scholarship;
6. Connecticut Social Security Number;
7. E-Verify; and
8. "Volumes of other evidence."

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Please do. Look at the proposed complaint. Unlike the federal complaint, it parades all the birther memes (except for "Born in Kenya"):


Yeah, I read that earlier and then immediately worked on finding out how to access the court docket. :lol:

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Add Chris to the list of birtherlaw experts. :lol:

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bob wrote:
Please do. Look at the proposed complaint. Unlike the federal complaint, it parades all the birther memes (except for "Born in Kenya"):

1. Two citizen parents and birth in the United States required (Minor);
2. Dual citizenship precludes natural-born citizenship;
3. Dual U.S./Indonesian citizenship (and a hint of loss of U.S. citizenship);
4. Travel ban to Pakistan;
5. Fulbright scholarship;
6. Connecticut Social Security Number;
7. E-Verify; and
8. "Volumes of other evidence."


Amazing. Whole sections read as though they've been lifted with only minor copy edits from the great works of Dr. Orly Thai-Eats, Esquire.

At first glance, I thought this suit was simply a cut-and-paste of the federal suit -- and most of it is. Oh sure, they swapped in a couple of Tennessee code sections conveying equity powers to the Chancery Courts. But at the same time, they've left in place a whole bunch of inapposite federal poo pertaining to standing and class action proceedings.

This is barely better, if at all, than one of the Chaleria's broadsides.

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As I've observed before, calling President Obama "Barry Soetoro" panders to the lunatics and indicates to any judicial officer reading a pleading with that sobriquet that the litigants doing so are completely nuts and not to be taken seriously. So it was good of Van Irion to put that on page 3, footnote 2:
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Hereinafter this Complaint will refer to President Obama, also known as Barack Hussein Obama Jr., Barack Obama II, and Barry Soetoro, as “Mr. Obama.”

By the way, I love things like that. How many other "Mr. Obamas" are mentioned in the proposed complaint.

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This reference is not intended to be disrespectful to the office of the President or to the individual Barack Obama. It is used only to identify the individual, separate from the office, and to simplify communication for purposes of this Complaint.

"Uh-huh."

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This reference is not intended to be disrespectful to the office of the President or to the individual Barack Obama. It is used only to identify the individual, separate from the office, and to simplify communication for purposes of this Complaint.

"Uh-huh."


Yeah, and the check's in the mail, an I'll respect you in the morning, and really, Officer, I was just helping the poor little sheep over the fence, and damn right I won that buckle in a rodeo, etc.

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By the way, I love things like that. How many other "Mr. Obamas" are mentioned in the proposed complaint.


Saying that makes it sound professional, like them lawyer types do it.

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the primary rolls around, the idiots vote for o


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Has anyone pointed out to the birfers, if they claim the "parents" plural requires "both parents" to be US citizens, wouldn't the "children" plural require the parents to have more than one child? An only-child of US citizen parents would, therefore, not be a natural-born US citizen.

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Has anyone pointed out to the birfers, if they claim the "parents" plural requires "both parents" to be US citizens, wouldn't the "children" plural require the parents to have more than one child? An only-child of US citizen parents would, therefore, not be a natural-born US citizen.


'Zactly. This is the logical conclusion that keeps Leo and Mario up at night and brings the cold sweats to all those who live and die to spew Vattle Prattle.

To be eligible to be President of the Ewe-Ess-Of-Ay, all of a candidate's siblings, of which there must be at least one, must have been born in the US to two parents who were citizens at the times of their birfs. It's simplicity personified.

Only-children need not apply.

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